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Senate Rejects Protecting Abortion-Conscience Rights for Doctors
LifeNews.com ^ | April 3, 2009 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 04/03/2009 8:46:28 AM PDT by julieee

Washington, DC -- The Senate on Thursday night rejected an amendment from a pro-life senator that would have provided conscience protection on abortion for doctors and medical centers. The amendment comes at a time when President Barack Obama is considering overturning further protections.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; conscience; conscienceclause; doctors; prolife; protecting; senate

1 posted on 04/03/2009 8:46:29 AM PDT by julieee
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To: julieee

So we’re to the point of the government forcing doctors to perform abortions against their wishes? That’s dangerously close to Nazi eugenics in my view. Joseph Mengele would be proud.


2 posted on 04/03/2009 8:48:27 AM PDT by St. Louis Conservative
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To: julieee; wagglebee

OK, let’s just say it, shall we? This poop chute is not ‘pro-choice’, he’s pro-death for those who can’t defend themselves, whose cries of pain and anguish can’t be heard from the cramped watery apartments in which they live their innocent little lives as they’re being torn limb from limb.

I hate this _______.


3 posted on 04/03/2009 8:50:27 AM PDT by definitelynotaliberal
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To: julieee

This is a powerful moral issue, much like slavery was before and during the American Civil War.


4 posted on 04/03/2009 8:52:05 AM PDT by Need4Truth (The world needs a policeman but the U.S. can't afford the job.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Very scary indeed.


5 posted on 04/03/2009 8:53:38 AM PDT by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
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To: Need4Truth

Let’s see - one set of humans defining another set of humans as less human and therefore subject to the whims of the first set, up to and including their extermination.

Sounds pretty analogous to me.


6 posted on 04/03/2009 8:53:46 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, Bowman later)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

> That’s dangerously close to Nazi eugenics in my view.

Dangerously close? It’s the same.

There are OB/GYN practitioners who will retire or become dentists and osteopaths rather than being forced to perform abortions.

Of course, this fits right in with government plans to take over and ration “health care”, which used to be called “medicine” or the “medical profession”.

Imagine the people who run the government schools running the hospitals and clinics.

> Joseph Mengele would be proud.

So would Josef Stalin.


7 posted on 04/03/2009 8:55:41 AM PDT by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: julieee
I posted this on another thread but I'm going to repost it here.

This is part of the ongoing struggle being waged at the UN and in the corridors of power of various governments to have abortion proclaimed as a "human right". Once that happens the deluge will begin in earnest. Hospitals and physicians who refuse to perform these procedures will be deemed to be guilty of "human rights violations". Then the persecution will hit top gear.

At present, abortion is a "choice". However, the "pro-choice" folk aren't content with that for it allows for the possibility of dissent and claims of conscience. There can be no escape route for those who object to abortion. Dissent must be silenced. You will cooperate with the killing.

Punitive actions will then be imposed, with increasing severity, on those who obstinately deny "the people" their "human rights". We're rapidly approaching the time when we'll no longer be able to simply talk the talk. We'll have to stand up and be counted and suffer for our beliefs.

8 posted on 04/03/2009 8:59:35 AM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: Westbrook

The Congress HAS NO CONSCIENCE! THEY ARE FOR LATE TERM ABORTION AND IN FACT FOR ALL ABORTION ANYTIME ANYPLACE ANYWHERE AS LED BY THEIR CHIEF BABY KILLER OBUMMER!


9 posted on 04/03/2009 9:00:56 AM PDT by Ev Reeman
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To: julieee

I might have miscounted but the nays were:

Spector
Snowe
Collins

Casey voted yea
Let’s see Toomey use that as an ad.


10 posted on 04/03/2009 9:01:57 AM PDT by LeavingNewYork
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To: julieee; St. Louis Conservative; definitelynotaliberal; Need4Truth; jveritas; MrB

Complete violation of the First Amendment.

Express your opposition to Obama’s heinous plan to overturn the Provider Conscience Clause by emailing proposedrescission@hhs.gov.

This “public comment” period expires April 9.


11 posted on 04/03/2009 9:03:46 AM PDT by fullchroma (I want my country back.)
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To: julieee
Next up under the Obama Doctrine:

Pay caps for all doctors...it's a national necessity

/wish it was sarcasm

12 posted on 04/03/2009 9:05:16 AM PDT by demsux
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To: All

From Wikipedia

A conscientious objector (CO) is an individual who, on religious, moral or ethical grounds, refuses to participate as a combatant in war or, in some cases, to take any role that would support a combatant organization armed forces.

Will the Senate now address this issue and render the same verdict ?

didnt think so


13 posted on 04/03/2009 9:06:47 AM PDT by Einherjar (PEACE THROUGH SUPERIOR FIREPOWER)
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To: julieee; Mrs. B.S. Roberts

Does anyone out there have a, or know of, a list of CATHOLIC senators who have voted to PREVENT their fellow CATHOLICS from obeying their deeply held religious beliefs?
I’d be very curious. How did that most observant Catholic from Massachusetts, E.M.Kennedy vote? Just curious.


14 posted on 04/03/2009 9:11:44 AM PDT by CaptainAmiigaf (NY Times: We print the news as it fits our views)
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To: julieee

Doctors just should say no.


15 posted on 04/03/2009 9:19:20 AM PDT by ex-snook ( "Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: ex-snook

Um...m...m, that’s the right they just lost.


16 posted on 04/03/2009 9:23:05 AM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: All

Now is the time, folks, to decide if we’re just going to fall in line — or draw one.


17 posted on 04/03/2009 9:24:27 AM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: julieee

This shows you how little the RATS truly care about the availability of healthcare services. Catholic hospitals might just shut down because of this, reducing the availability of all kinds of services. But it’s more important to these RATS to make a political statement!


18 posted on 04/03/2009 9:25:24 AM PDT by freespirited (Is this a nation of laws or a nation of Democrats? -- Charles Krauthammer)
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To: CaptainAmiigaf

Kennedy did not vote (probably was not present). Kerry and Landrieu voted nay. I believe both claim to be Catholic.


19 posted on 04/03/2009 9:26:07 AM PDT by freespirited (Is this a nation of laws or a nation of Democrats? -- Charles Krauthammer)
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To: julieee

Ys, like they’re going to lock up all the doctors who refuse. Then where is “national health care.” Suing doctors will have the same effect.

Watch for the Catholic hospitals to close, too.


20 posted on 04/03/2009 9:26:57 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners.)
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To: julieee
In America, a volunteer Soldier can be excluded from War duty under the conscience clause. But a private sector Doctor, who takes an oath to do NO HARM, can be forced to perform an abortion.

AM I MISSING SOMETHING!!

21 posted on 04/03/2009 9:29:51 AM PDT by 11th Commandment (United States is a NOW a Terrorist Nation- we export abortion!)
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To: Constitutions Grandchild
"Um...m...m, that’s the right they just lost."

Nah, just think Rosa Parks.

22 posted on 04/03/2009 9:31:53 AM PDT by ex-snook ( "Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: freespirited

Kaufman, the seat warmer from DE, is a cino. As for the rest who voted for murder,

KISS MY @$$! I REFUSE!


23 posted on 04/03/2009 9:34:14 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners.)
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To: ex-snook
So, like I need to use shoe polish to qualify????? ;-) No amount of time in a tanning bed will ever turn my blonde, blue-eyed a$$ into the appropriately victimized individual who can get by with it.
24 posted on 04/03/2009 9:35:05 AM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: julieee

I just emailed Pope Benedict XVI.

Part of my letter:
God would not have sent the Angel Gabriel to the Blessed Virgin Mary BEFORE she was over shadowed by the Holy Spirit to tell her “the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God” (Douay-Rheims Luke 2:35b) unless God was telling her that before the “over shadowing” there was no ‘life’ within her, but afterward, there not only was life, but that He would be The Life and her Life. Jesus existed as a life, as a living person, from the moment of the Holy Spirit’s over shadowing of The Blessed Mother. Now if that’s not God speaking to us about when life begins . . . what else is?


25 posted on 04/03/2009 9:59:35 AM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (The Constitution & Bill of Rights stand as a whole. Remove any part & nullify the whole.)
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To: julieee

Obama’s Friday order to Catholic hospitals: Shut up, commit abortions or I’ll shut you down
March 2, 2009,

By Kevin “Coach” Collins

http://collinsreport.net

The underhanded Obama administration has quietly moved to rescind the “conscience clause” found in agreements between the federal government and Catholic hospitals.

This “conscience clause” has always protected practitioners from being forced to commit abortions in violation of their consciences. Its removal means Catholic hospitals will be forced to choose between federal funds for committing abortions and closing down to maintain a clear conscience.

Phonies with egg on their faces

Nevertheless, phony “Catholic” judas goats like Douglas Kmiec are still beating their chests with pride at having delivered 52% of the Catholic vote to the abortion team last fall.

In January Kmiec smugly wrote “The scurrilous remarks of conservative bloggers missed the point, which was that I and millions of others who voted for Obama did so not despite our Catholic faith but because of it.”

As a proud “conservative blogger” I have to ask this vile man how voting for a monster who could allow miracle abortion surviving infants to die unattended on a cold steel table in a broom closet is Catholic faith.

Reminding us why print media is dying, two weeks ago Time’s Amy Sullivan instructed us “confused Catholics”, that FOCA does not even exist. Insisting it will not be considered, she gently explains FOCA is merely a myth imagined by our Bishops which will not be voted on in Congress so it can’t threaten the sanctity of life.

Perhaps Sullivan could discern a comforting difference between being sent to a “work camp” rather than a “concentration camp” but her logic escapes me. The truth may be Obama doesn’t sign anything named FOCA, but whether it’s called FOCA or the Sunshine and Applesauce law, he’ll sign a law extorting Catholic hospitals into committing abortions thereby killing Catholic hospitals.

Obama’s sneaky order proves both of these phonies wrong.

In many ways this is the clarion call we have been waiting for. It sweeps aside the self delusions of many liberals who could not believe Barack Obama is the Marxist we have been saying he is right along. Making this announcement when he did shows he is a coward and doesn’t have the stomach for the fight we have to give him over this and many other issues. The battle is joined. Pick a side. Will you sit and watch or take action?


26 posted on 04/03/2009 10:06:11 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: julieee
Where is freedom in this ?

There is a shortage of Doctors and I imagine it will increase, when Doctors must obey the governments decisions about how they are allowed to follow their desired profession. That creates a whole new set of problems.

This whole process of sending our tax money to Washington, where is has proved to return about 25% of the monies to the individual states. VERY inefficient was of handling money. The government is wasteful and careless, and nobody there thinks it matters anyway, as long as they get theirs.

The answer is in not sending income taxes to the federal government ... keep it in your own state

OH! We know how well California is doing; and New York ... wait there must be another way.

Government health care is another infamous plan bound to waste as much on the bureaucracy, as on the health care itself.

God have mercy on us ... we ask for Your Help ... forgive our selfish ways, and turn our hearts to You. AMEN.

27 posted on 04/03/2009 10:08:24 AM PDT by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
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To: julieee

Every “Catholic” who voted for this should be “Book Bell and Candled” out of the Church.


28 posted on 04/03/2009 10:09:27 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: julieee

Easy enough fix, all the Docotrs need do is state the fee of $1,000,000.00 per abortion. This way, if you can’t pay go somewhere else.


29 posted on 04/03/2009 12:20:06 PM PDT by sniper63 (Silent and stealthy - one shot - one kill)
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To: sniper63

“Easy enough fix, all the Docotrs need do is state the fee of $1,000,000.00 per abortion. This way, if you can’t pay go somewhere else.”

Good solution. Can individual doctors actually set their own prices?


30 posted on 04/03/2009 5:46:33 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: julieee
Which Republican Senators voted the wrong way?
31 posted on 04/03/2009 10:01:11 PM PDT by TheFourthMagi
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To: julieee

So what does Michael Steele have to say about Spector, Snowe and Collins NOW?


32 posted on 04/04/2009 12:03:53 AM PDT by Lauren BaRecall ("I will not compromise on life" - what Steele should have said.)
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To: ReformationFan

Private practice, yes they can.


33 posted on 04/04/2009 5:02:18 AM PDT by sniper63 (Silent and stealthy - one shot - one kill)
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