“To me, a “Pubbie” is a lilly-livered, liberal Republican elected official”
Which in my book is a distinct minority of elected Republicans.
Only about 60 GOP Reps in the House voted for the original bailout, most of them getting arms twisted by Bush admin. Do yo not forget that the first House vote FAILED BECAUSE THE GOP REPS REVOLTED AND DIDNT GO ALONG???
“I don’t know...are you a lilly-livered, liberal Republican elected official? I don’t think so, but they and their staffers have been known to haunt this forum.”
I am a conservative who thinks we waste our time self-flaggelating the GOP when we are now in an era where the DEMOCRATS WILL PASS ON A STRICT PARTY-LINE VOTE THE LARGEST BUDGET INCREASE IN AMERICAN HISTORY and do much other things that are evil, nefarious, and anti-prosperity. The GOP leaders are doing the best they can in a bad situation and it’s not helpful to feed into the liberal/Obama-supportive narrative of how bad bad bad the GOP is or was.
“I would’ve loved to have seen their principled stand against runaway spending five years ago”
I would have love to have NOT seen the creeping socialization of medicine happen - but it is: The S-CHIP expansion that Pelosi Congress demagogued for years, then passed and got vetoed by Bush, then passed again in January and get signed by Obama ... has now become law. ANother $60 BILLION / year in welfare-state expansion and a “downpayment on nationalized healthcare” as Waxman put it.
Every step of the way was paved by Democrats.
“The Pubbies in Congress didn’t dare vote against the Pubbie-in-Chief” WRONG! In the House, the majority of Republicans voted AGAINST the bailout.
“Obamanation’s continuation of the crap Bush “ WRONG! Obama isn’t merely continuing Bush policies - he is expanding, adding and moving far far far beyond the orbit of what Bush did. Nationalizing firms. a $1 TRILLION bailout on top of $700 b. Billions more and control of auto firms, which Bush did not want. $1 TRILLION in stimulus which is a huge waste. To call Obama a ‘continuation’ is simply wrong.
“We expect the ‘Rats to pull this crap...they’re the enemy, and they’re fighting us using tactics that have been very effective for them in the past. But when our own people stab us in the back, it’s far worse...it’s treason.”
- I dont cotton to double-standards that say its worse for a Republican to make a vote than a Democrat to make that same vote, just becaue Democrats are open about anti-prosperity policies doesnt make it any better, nor do I think it is helpful to dwell on past mistakes or use it to give the Democrats an out over the current jobs-destroying economic policies of Obama-Reid-Pelosi.
Here you are saying that pro-bailout Republicans deserve to be tarred and feathered ... . um ... The Democrats were in the majority last October - THEY made the bailout happen, and pro-bailout Obama was right there supporting it. The bailout is not the worst of the bills anyway - the future socialization of auto industry, financial sector, power sector (cap-and-trade), massive tax hikes, and bankruptcy of the Federal treasury are ... the bailout is a drop in the ocean of $16 TRILLION in spending in Obama’s first term!!!
So if you are going to tar and feather, be an equal-opportunity rabble-rouser and get the tax-and-spend-and-borrow-and-regulate-and-welfarize Democrats, right up to Pelosi and Obama, lined up to. Because they were and are FAR MORE INSTRUMENTAL in making the bailouts without end happen than any GOP House member.
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Are you saying because the bailout would've passed without Pubbie support, that excuses those who voted for it the second go-around? That's like saying, "If rape is inevitable, lay back and enjoy it." There's no excuse for Pubbies to vote against the will of their constituents, and with the enemy. Those Pubbies deserve to be tarred and feathered, and if there were any justice in this nation, it would be legal to do so. Anyone who votes with the enemy is the enemy, regardless of the letter following their name.
Obviously I'm not going to sway you off your opinion, so I'm not going to spend any more time on it. We're 80% in agreement anyway, just I believe that any Pubbie who votes with the 'Rats is as culpable as the 'Rats themselves, and should be held accountable for their votes. I'm not a Republican, I'm a conservative independent. I guess things look differently when not seen through a party prism.
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"“Obamanation’s continuation of the crap Bush “ WRONG! Obama isn’t merely continuing Bush policies - he is expanding, adding and moving far far far beyond the orbit of what Bush did. Nationalizing firms. a $1 TRILLION bailout on top of $700 b. Billions more and control of auto firms, which Bush did not want. $1 TRILLION in stimulus which is a huge waste. To call Obama a ‘continuation’ is simply wrong."
I believe the point I was making was that Bush set the precedent with the bailout, and the 'Rats are capitalizing on it. If you want to argue semantics, go ahead. Yes, it's obvious that Obamanation's plan is far more damaging that Bush's bailout. I never said it wasn't. So you can joust with the "continuing" windmill all you want, but you can't deny my point, that Bush set the precedent.
"“The Pubbies in Congress didn’t dare vote against the Pubbie-in-Chief” WRONG! In the House, the majority of Republicans voted AGAINST the bailout."
Wow...you completely missed the point. Let's break it down:
1) I defined "Pubbie" as "a lilly-livered, liberal Republican elected official”
2) You then added in post #68:
"Which in my book is a distinct minority of elected Republicans."
3) So we've established that to you, "Pubbies" are the minority of Republicans in Congress.
4) The opposite of "minority" is "majority".
5) You said, "In the House, the majority of Republicans voted AGAINST the bailout." Therefore, the minority (your word) "Pubbies", not being the majority who voted against the bailout, voted for the bailout. IOW, they, the minority (your word) "Pubbies" (my word) didn't dare vote against the Pubbie-in-Chief, which was my point all along.
6) Thanks for agreeing with my point, even though you did it in a very strange, twisted way that has me scratching my head.
You're tripping over your own words. You're a Republican...I get it. You don't want anyone to criticize your party, even when they deserve it...I get it. I know good and damn well that Obamanation and his Socialist cohorts are bent on destroying this nation as we know and love it. But they're being helped, and have been helped in the past, by the Pubbies in Congress and the Pubbie that sat in the White House for eight years, setting precedents that the 'Rats are now capitalizing on. If your partisanship doesn't allow you to see this, well, there's nothing I can say to sway you. But it's clear enough to anyone who's not looking through that party prism I spoke of earlier.
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