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The Mind of a Shooter: Mass Murder Tragedies
Family Security Matters ^ | 4-6-09 | Deborah Schurman-Kauflin, Ph.D.

Posted on 04/06/2009 10:59:51 AM PDT by serialcrimes

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1 posted on 04/06/2009 10:59:51 AM PDT by serialcrimes
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To: serialcrimes
And remember, taking guns away will not stop such attacks. That would only change the method of murder.

I gotta admit that I didn't expect to see this in an article of this sort.

2 posted on 04/06/2009 11:02:39 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ..
Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!
3 posted on 04/06/2009 11:04:17 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: serialcrimes

We now know the shooting, including the Wong-ending bullet, was over in 2-3 minutes....


4 posted on 04/06/2009 11:05:59 AM PDT by Shady (The Fairness Doctrine is ANYTHING but fair!!!!)
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To: serialcrimes
Keep in mind that if you notice these key factors and hear someone talking about a plan to kill, notify someone. Tell a teacher. Notify law enforcement carry a weapon at all times.
5 posted on 04/06/2009 11:07:33 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte
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To: serialcrimes
They will even post on chat boards about their perceived enemies and how those enemies should be destroyed.

Hey, my enemies should be destroyed!

6 posted on 04/06/2009 11:10:29 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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Hey, my enemies should be destroyed!

If they're liberals, just inconvenience them... that is much worse as far as they're concerned.

7 posted on 04/06/2009 11:16:55 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: serialcrimes

Don’t forget that they are all on legal drugs.


8 posted on 04/06/2009 11:20:37 AM PDT by Seruzawa (Obamalama lied, the republic died.)
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In 1999, John Lott and William Landes published an extensive statistical study of multiple shooting incidents. They showed that mass shootings occur less often in areas where responsible citizens are allowed permits to carry weapons discretely.

http://www.american-partisan.com/cols/brown/080800.htm

“Multiple Victim Public Shootings”

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=272929


9 posted on 04/06/2009 11:21:15 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: Shady
... but nobody shot back, (again). You look at these mass killings and nobody in the "crowd" has a weapon. You wonder what's going through their minds as the cower before a lunitic ... does any of them even think ... "geez, I wish I could shoot back?"...or are they still saying "I don't believe in guns!" By not protecting themselves, they are also not protecting others from these lunitics. Cops can't be everywhere ... takes average of 8 minutes for a cop to arrive, and most "shootouts" average 8 seconds. (And a lot of cops aren't good shots anyway :-).

Of course, my statement assumes you are not in a "GUN FREE ZONE" or a "NO CCW PERMIT" situation. When that is so, then the burden should fall upon the government for criminal liability keeping people from defending themselves as guaranteed in the 2nd amendment. Suit should be initiated and people should be paid handsomely for their loss CAUSED by the government not protecting them, as is assumed if they are not allowed to protect themselves.

PS: Goodyear Tire stores are all "Gun Free Zones" ... safer to buy your tires elsewhere.

10 posted on 04/06/2009 11:22:28 AM PDT by DHC-2
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To: serialcrimes
"And remember, taking guns away will not stop such attacks."

To be posted on Huffington Post, Daily Kos, etc...
11 posted on 04/06/2009 11:24:07 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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If they're liberals, just inconvenience them... that is much worse as far as they're concerned.

Heh. I'm a monster. I like to offend them.

12 posted on 04/06/2009 11:24:43 AM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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Most often, these killers stalk areas that they know. A school. A workplace...


Gun-Free Zones...

13 posted on 04/06/2009 11:25:42 AM PDT by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF*GOA*SAS*CCRKBA)
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To: Shady
We now know the shooting, including the Wong-ending bullet, was over in 2-3 minutes....

When seconds matter...the police will be there in minutes. Wong had his plan set in motion the moment he barricaded the back door with his car. He knew the building layout as a frequent visitor for language classes. He knew where to find lots of victims quickly. He wore body armor in anticipation of some resistance. It is reported that he killed himself when the first siren was heard. It was also reported that he spent lots of time at the range prior to the incident. His shooting skills were well polished.

14 posted on 04/06/2009 11:33:12 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Joe Brower
I found my own answer as to what a "mass murder" consists of...
Criminal Justice Resources : Serial or Mass Murder
The USA Bureau of Justice Statistics defines a mass murder as "[involving] the murder of four or more victims at one location, within one event."

I can't find anything within the US Bureau of Justice Statistics to substantiate this so a grain of salt is required.

15 posted on 04/06/2009 11:34:50 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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Interesting side note . . .

Before 9/11, the single biggest "mass murder" incident in New York City involved no guns whatsoever. A total of 87 victims died in the infamous arson fire at the Happyland social club in 1990. The "murder weapon" was a dollar's worth of gasoline and a match.

16 posted on 04/06/2009 11:51:40 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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***This is when the killers get their weapons and conceptualize the attacks. They rigorously think through how they can kill the highest number of victims in an attempt to get attention and show the world how sad and meaningless ****

If you look at most of the receent killings they were meticulously planned. Body armor, guns, bombs everything well planned.

Now, suppose there was a magic magnet that flew over the US and sucked up EVERY semi auto rifle and pistol.

If you only had a six shot revolver and a lever action rifle could you still kill the same number? Yes, by simple planning.

If you set down in a historical archive you will find mass murders throughout American history.

1755 Pensylvania school house massacre.
1813 school children murdered in Illinois,
1867 school house massacre, Hamilton, Tx
The Spicer family murders

Lots of serial killers back then also.

John Turlow in Washington and Oregon
The deformed Indian of Osage County, Oklahoma.
Queho in Nevada
Ahvote in Nevada.

And Harry Tracy, who with just a lever action Winchester stacked up dead lawmwn like cordwood.


17 posted on 04/06/2009 1:24:55 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (14. Guns only have two enemies: rust and politicians.)
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To: serialcrimes

Just for the record, Julio Gonzalez murdered 87 people in 1990 at the HappyLand night club in NYC.

His weapon, a gallon of gasoline and a match.

And then there is 9-11-2001, when 19 men with box cutters murdered 3000 innocent people in NYC.


18 posted on 04/06/2009 1:32:04 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (14. Guns only have two enemies: rust and politicians.)
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To: Alberta's Child

D**N! Beat me to it!


19 posted on 04/06/2009 1:33:40 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (14. Guns only have two enemies: rust and politicians.)
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To: serialcrimes
Mass killers believe society has been unfair to them and that others receive special treatment. Paranoia takes over their minds. They look around and see vultures everywhere. Everyone is out to get them, and nothing seems to go right in their lives. Everywhere they look, things are bad.

Man, this article just described 98% of the people who post over at the DUmp. Good thing that liberals don't believe in owning / are afraid of owning guns.

20 posted on 04/06/2009 1:48:56 PM PDT by wbill
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