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FBI InfraGard warns of a crescendo of public concern about Obama's eligibility
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Posted on 04/06/2009 4:21:03 PM PDT by cycle of discernment

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101 posted on 04/06/2009 6:55:38 PM PDT by mojitojoe ( Idiots elected a Marxist ideologue with narcissistic personality disorder & America is dying.)
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To: LibertyRocks

I’m of the opinion that some in the Judiciary really do want to hear that case on it’s merits. BUT, it has to be perfectly structured, following absolute legal protocol, and antiseptically clean.


102 posted on 04/06/2009 6:56:31 PM PDT by papasmurf (Trow da' bum out!)
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To: LibertyRocks
They already tried that

I meant the InfraGuard document written by the PhD.

103 posted on 04/06/2009 7:01:51 PM PDT by fso301
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To: cycle of discernment

“A nation can survive its’ fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly. But the traitor moves among those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the galleys, heard in the very hall of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor—He speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and wears their face and their garment, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation—he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city—he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared.”Cicero, 42 B.C., Roman Statesman, orator, and author.


104 posted on 04/06/2009 7:02:31 PM PDT by mojitojoe ( Idiots elected a Marxist ideologue with narcissistic personality disorder & America is dying.)
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To: Man50D

The military is being trained against its own citizens but is not being trained to protect our borders from illegal aliens.
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Those trained military will likely be on our side.


105 posted on 04/06/2009 7:03:35 PM PDT by mojitojoe ( Idiots elected a Marxist ideologue with narcissistic personality disorder & America is dying.)
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To: Candor7

How hard would it be for him to just produce the $12.50 birth certificate and just put this issue to rest? Doesn’t seem all that complicated.


106 posted on 04/06/2009 7:04:40 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: cycle of discernment

IMHO, the Powers that Be are getting ready to unburden themselves of The One...


107 posted on 04/06/2009 7:05:56 PM PDT by mo
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To: LibertyRocks

Obama is doing and saying these things ON PURPOSE — he is an ADMITTED SOCIALIST
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He is NOT a Socialist. It gives he and his partners in crime great comfort when you call him that because it means you are failing to recognize what he really is..... a full fledged COMMUNIST.


108 posted on 04/06/2009 7:07:27 PM PDT by mojitojoe ( Idiots elected a Marxist ideologue with narcissistic personality disorder & America is dying.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

I love it when my ‘instincts’ are proven to be accurate.


109 posted on 04/06/2009 7:09:05 PM PDT by savedbygrace (You are only leading if someone follows. Otherwise, you just wandered off... [Smokin' Joe])
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To: SonOfPyrodex

a weapon behind every blade of grass................


110 posted on 04/06/2009 7:09:41 PM PDT by mojitojoe ( Idiots elected a Marxist ideologue with narcissistic personality disorder & America is dying.)
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To: mojitojoe
Great post, just another reason why CIA, DIA,and a few other Dept's like State should have been gutted long ago when GW took office. Now we have a host of troll like idiots to deal with and the wrong CIC.
111 posted on 04/06/2009 7:10:28 PM PDT by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: F15Eagle

My guess is he either altered or removed the real BC on all those Hawaii trips he took recently we may never know who this clown really is.


112 posted on 04/06/2009 7:11:56 PM PDT by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: mojitojoe

Oh, I agree with you completely — Socialist is a “nice word” the communists prefer to use as it doesn’t have as negative a connotation as Communism.

However, Obama has never admitted to being a Communist, but he has openly admitted being a Socialist. :)


113 posted on 04/06/2009 7:12:45 PM PDT by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ ANTI-OBAMA STUFF : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: rodguy911

I’m ready to start digging in a pet cemetery for the skeleton of a jackal ...

j/k


114 posted on 04/06/2009 7:22:41 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: cycle of discernment

this is NOT going away.


115 posted on 04/06/2009 7:29:32 PM PDT by television is just wrong (one bad ass mistake america!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: papasmurf

I believe after being elected to the position/office, the POTUS does indeed have total access, it is only when he/she is still seeking candidacy that certain criteria be met (notably: age 35+, natural-born U.S. citizen,etc.).

Sorry, I don’t have any citations at the moment for you, but I do remember that info from grammar school gov’t/civics class.


116 posted on 04/06/2009 7:30:39 PM PDT by Montana_Gal ("Uh...Uh...She's a Typical White person" -B. Hussein Obama)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

send this article to him by way of email.


117 posted on 04/06/2009 7:43:33 PM PDT by television is just wrong (one bad ass mistake america!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: cycle of discernment

bookmark


118 posted on 04/06/2009 7:44:36 PM PDT by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: cycle of discernment

BS meter at full off scale.


119 posted on 04/06/2009 8:11:36 PM PDT by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: bushpilot1

That would be NO


120 posted on 04/06/2009 8:14:42 PM PDT by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: cycle of discernment
Wouldn't it be nice if the US Justice Department actually looked into the matter and determined whether Mr. Obama meets the constitutional requirement to hold the office of POTUS?
121 posted on 04/06/2009 8:18:26 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: pissant
Damn right!

"If Mr. Obama fights revealing his documentation, there is growing concern of civil unrest, or worse, being unleashed in the streets of our nation. The economic crisis coupled with this type of a constitutional crisis could prove to be a flashpoint that would test conventional law enforcement and elements of homeland security."

So the FBI would prefer that Obama's LIES, FRAUD, DISTORTIONS, MANIPULATIONS and DECEPTIONS about his background remain a secret for the sake of "crisis prevention?"

Hey FBI! Go play in traffic, you worthless POS organization!

122 posted on 04/06/2009 8:21:02 PM PDT by Prole (Please pray for the families of Chris and Channon. May God always watch over them.)
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To: LucyT
FBI InfraGard warns of a crescendo of public concern about Obama's eligibility

I thought crescendos happened when the noise peaked? I haven't heard much of anything about this on ABCCBSNBCCNNMSNBC.... When Crissy Mathews is howling for Obama to step down, then, I'll start to panic...

123 posted on 04/06/2009 8:22:01 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: Red Steel
as potentially harmful to civil order and national security,

Wow! This sort of describes the $4 trillion dollar deficit these folks have just foisted on the American Public. Maybe they should send those 80,000 troops to Washington and surround it until the birth certificate shows up????

125 posted on 04/06/2009 8:23:51 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: pissant

If even a Wiccan dude is that unimpressed,you might want to take a second look at who is doing what to whom....and why.


126 posted on 04/06/2009 8:24:16 PM PDT by mrmeangenes
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To: Candor7
IT IS NOT AN INSURRECTION. IT IS THE PEOPLE DEFENDING AND UPHOLDING THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES that the government and its agencies , including the FBI, failed in their duty to do.

I agree. Hard to see an insurrection in a bunch of citizens demanding that the supreme law of the land be followed!

127 posted on 04/06/2009 8:25:44 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: SonOfPyrodex
The United States has 90 guns for every 100 citizens

This number can't be right. Heck, I own that many myself!!!

128 posted on 04/06/2009 8:26:59 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: mrmeangenes

Wiccan dude also has a bone to pick with the guy, who wrote a very negative book about satanism.


129 posted on 04/06/2009 8:27:31 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: cycle of discernment

I’d have to see a copy or the source for this document before I got too excited.


130 posted on 04/06/2009 8:27:47 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: SonOfPyrodex

“600,000 armed government agents. 60,000,000 gun owners.”

So to rephrase that old Door’s song : “We’ve got the guns AND we’ve got the numbers.”

I was just listening to some early 70’s songs. Lots of those protest songs have lyrics that fit the situation once again.


131 posted on 04/06/2009 8:30:46 PM PDT by 21twelve (Drive Reality out with a pitchfork if you want , it always comes back.)
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To: STARWISE

hmmmm...thanks for the ping. Read through all the posts and it looks like some noobies are trying to discredit it. Don’t have time to research it tonight, but what’s the verdict on the source for this report?

It all sounds perfectly plausible to me. There is a growing unease in this country about Obama and it could spiral out of control. The interesting thing is that Obama himself could put all of this to bed by proving once and for all that he is eligible. He apparently doesn’t care if this country erupts into violence and chaos. As a matter of fact, it might be just what he is hoping for to bring his ‘change’ through hopelessness. I found the article at Orley’s site by Pam Gellor(Atlas Shrugs)very good and a must read for every FReeper.


132 posted on 04/06/2009 8:39:37 PM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: cycle of discernment

If FBI is so concerned, then someone produce obozo’s legitimate birth certificate. If not then remove him from office. He’s done enough damage to the country.


133 posted on 04/06/2009 8:40:44 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: Montana_Gal

Actually, for the POTUS, there never has been a formal background investigation. That’s because is was always informally handled by the respective Parties at the urging of Congress.

The only “official” policy I find on Security Clearances in Gov’t, which include employees, are E.O.’s 12958 (Clinton 1995) and 13292 (Bush 2003)

However, these E.O.’s both refer to the Security Policy Board, which Bush abolished in Feb of 2001, which is referred to as National Security Presidential Directive 1.

For members of Congress and their staff...
Atomic energy “Restricted Data” (42 U.S.C. 2162-2168) and “intelligence sources and methods” (50 U.S.C. 403(d)(3)) —
is specified in statute and subsequent rules issued, respectively, by the Department of Energy and Director of National Intelligence.

Other controlled information — such as “sensitive security”
and “sensitive but unclassified” information — is determined largely by executive directives.

Basically, the POTUS establishes a need for a requirement of a National Security Clearance, and delegates to the National Security Board (NSA) to determine the level and the prerequisites.

Congress is actually charged with regulating, by on the record inference, the suitability of the POTUS.


134 posted on 04/06/2009 8:44:10 PM PDT by papasmurf (Trow da' bum out!)
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To: SonOfPyrodex

Amen!


135 posted on 04/06/2009 8:46:08 PM PDT by unkus
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To: mrmeangenes; STARWISE; All

Apparently, Robert Mueller thinks alot of Infraguard. Video link here:

http://www.infragard.net/media/director_flash.php?mn=1&sm=1-1


136 posted on 04/06/2009 8:47:22 PM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: papasmurf
DSS

As good a place as any to start.

Actual security quidelines (google "security clearance adjudication guidelines") are set by Presidential Directive.

If you think for a second, there's a very good reason that POTUS and members of congress are NOT required to have security clearances, especial now that DumbO is POTUS.

Since the DSS reports to DOD and the adjudication process itself has so many subjective variables, any POTUS could potentially order DSS to disallow a clearance to any Republican Presidential Candidate any time he wanted to.

137 posted on 04/06/2009 8:55:21 PM PDT by PhilosopherStones
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To: little jeremiah
Here's a link to the InfraGard website.

Here's a link to the white paper written by Dr. Lyle J. Rapacki.

The statement of purpose in the document clearly indicates that the document is intended to stimulate discussion. Had the FBI requested such a white paper, the document would reference such a request. It appears that Dr. Rapacki references his membership in the FBI InfraGard as a way to associate the FBI with the document, therefore making it sound more official.

At the present time, I am unable to confirm his membership in InfraGard, but will get back to you with more information as soon as I have it.

To answer you question, yes. It appears Dr. Rapacki wrote the document and submitted it to the FBI as an InfraGard member hoping it would gain some attention within the FBI.

138 posted on 04/06/2009 9:03:57 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan
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To: PhilosopherStones

DSS has nothing to do with POTUS clearance requirements. POTUS is not under DOD.

REPOST:

Actually I’ve been researching this for two months. For the POTUS, there never has been a formal background investigation. That’s because is was always informally handled by the respective Parties at the urging of Congress.

The only “official” policy I find on Security Clearances in Gov’t, which include employees, are E.O.’s 12958 (Clinton 1995) and 13292 (Bush 2003)

However, these E.O.’s both refer to the Security Policy Board, which Bush abolished in Feb of 2001, which is referred to as National Security Presidential Directive 1.

For members of Congress and their staff...
Atomic energy “Restricted Data” (42 U.S.C. 2162-2168) and “intelligence sources and methods” (50 U.S.C. 403(d)(3)) —
is specified in statute and subsequent rules issued, respectively, by the Department of Energy and Director of National Intelligence.

Other controlled information — such as “sensitive security”
and “sensitive but unclassified” information — is determined largely by executive directives.

Basically, the POTUS establishes a need for a requirement of a National Security Clearance, and delegates to the National Security Board (NSA) to determine the level and the prerequisites.

Congress is actually charged with regulating, by on the record inference, the suitability of the POTUS.


139 posted on 04/06/2009 9:07:16 PM PDT by papasmurf (Trow da' bum out!)
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To: papasmurf

Well, it looks like you found what you had asked someone else for!
Thanks for passing along the info to me as well. Appreciate it.


140 posted on 04/06/2009 9:11:58 PM PDT by Montana_Gal ("Uh...Uh...She's a Typical White person" -B. Hussein Obama)
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To: cycle of discernment; Calpernia; Fred Nerks; null and void; pissant; george76; PhilDragoo; ...
Paging Dr. Rapacki. Let me help you avert this "crescendo of public concern." Pass this on to your superiors to cover in tomorrow's White House morning cabinet briefing.

The Hawaiian CertificATE of Live Birth looks like this:

Please ask Mr. Obama to request a copy of his "Long Form" Birth Certificate (not his CertificaTION that we've all seen) using the Request for Certified Copy of Birth Record Form, similar to the one below. The physical address of the Hawaiian Vital Records Office is 1250 Punchbowl Street, Honolulu, HI 96813. Alternatively, you can call them at (808) 586-4533.

On the Request Form, in the block that states "Reason for Requesting a Certified Copy," please ask Mr. Obama to write in the words "Request Long Form for Political Office." The Hawaiian Office of Vital Records will mail Mr. Obama a copy of the Long Form in less than two weeks. Oh, and make sure you ask Mr. Obama to sign the form, or the Vital Statistics Office might not accept it. Please include $10 for the form to avoid anymore delays.

Also, please pass this on this message:

Mr. Obama, please just publicly display your long form -- it really ain't that hard. There's no need for civil unrest, FEMA camp activations, or Federalization of National Guard troops as Dr. Rapacki has suggested ... unless, of course, that's been your intention all along...

141 posted on 04/06/2009 9:22:19 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: Montana_Gal

I had it already. I wanted to know if I has missed something, or could learn something new. :O)

I’m still PO’d, as are many of us, that 0bama wasn’t investigated...ever!


142 posted on 04/06/2009 9:26:37 PM PDT by papasmurf (Trow da' bum out!)
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To: papasmurf

Not sure what we’re arguing about. DUmmies (and some here) think that there is some vetting process for Presidential candidates, that POTUS is somehow required to hold a security clearance. Simply not true. As you say, POTUS is CIC and heads the DOD and so is not subject (himself) to the EOs that he signs re: security.

Point is DumbO was never vetted by any security agency (and it would have been DSS).


143 posted on 04/06/2009 9:28:04 PM PDT by PhilosopherStones
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To: PreciousLiberty

I want the SCOTUS to hear one of these cases. I want the term “natural born citizen” to be clearly defined forevermore. I want to see the original birth certificate. I believe Obama is a lying thug who’s hiding something with regard to his birth circumstances or certificate.

With those things said, it is extremely disingenuous for anyone to be passing this ridiculous white paper off as an official document from the FBI. The FBI is remotely associated with this document ONLY because Dr. Rapacki is a member of InfraGard, which is a public private partnership with the FBI.

This document isn’t even an official document published by the Arizona chapter of InfraGard. This white paper is just the rambling, nonsensical opinion of an individual who happens to be a member of InfraGard. It’s garbage and should be given no credibility.

Promoting this document on FR makes us look like fools!


144 posted on 04/06/2009 9:39:50 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan
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To: PhilosopherStones

There is an “assumed” vetting process for POTUS. It’s supposed to be overseen by Congress, specifically, The House Speaker and the Senate Leader. It has always been done by the candidates’ party, and affirmed to Congress as such.

This needs to be formalized and made law.


145 posted on 04/06/2009 9:41:14 PM PDT by papasmurf (Trow da' bum out!)
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To: PhilosopherStones

Oops. I forgot to say, I didn’t think we were arguing. LOL


146 posted on 04/06/2009 9:42:07 PM PDT by papasmurf (Trow da' bum out!)
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To: pissant

He wasn’t tasked by the FBI to write this white paper. This isn’t an official FBI document.

See my posts at 138 & 144 for details.


147 posted on 04/06/2009 9:43:05 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan
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To: papasmurf

I don’t think we are (arguing, I mean). Carter was a USNA grad and despite those of us who thought he was a moron, we never believed he was a deliberate traitor (until later). Same with Bubba because he was such a good ole boy.

DumbO is the first person who loyalty we’ve really had to question in our history.

And yes, some process needs to be put in place. But be careful what you wish for because DumbO would use that system to shoot down any future conservative candidate.


148 posted on 04/06/2009 9:50:31 PM PDT by PhilosopherStones
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Yes, I understand it is not an official FBI document. The question is whether the group and guy that issued it was doing so at the request of the FBI. Unless the first sentence of the story here is false, it sounds like that may indeed be the case.


149 posted on 04/06/2009 9:52:18 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

According to the web site there is no FBI InfraGard.


150 posted on 04/06/2009 10:09:51 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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