Posted on 04/07/2009 8:03:22 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
Good luck finding ammunition.
Without ammunition, that thing is an expensive club.
How about NFA ‘34 to start with, THEN work our way forward...
How about NFA ‘34 to start with, THEN work our way forward...
Ahhhh, no. There is NO Constitutional provision for any such thing and if you want such an abomination, YOU are as bad as Mad Nan, and are become the enemy, by your own actions.
This is the one that I fear the most. Obama intends to take away the second amendment rights, count on it. If the Congress will not act he will do so by executive order.
In SF he denigrated people clinging to their guns and religion.
I will enlist to the underground fight on this issue. The Republicans will be useless. A revolution is going to occur.
***Here is what Pelosi, Obama and the Dims are going to ram down our throats...***
They will wrap the ban in a “crime control” package that will give billions to the states, just like they did in 1968 and the 1993 weapons ban.
The congress will cave to this easy money.
Lighten up, Francis.
I was making a point about how they will never compromise because it interferes with their confiscation plans.
Sorry for the loss of your brother.
That's why the whole mortgage issue is SO important to the powermongers right now: so long as you have a 6-digit debt hanging over your head, you MUST work enough to pay LOTS of taxes. (Having a big car payment, and school loans, is similarly important - hence federal interest in those as well.) Thing is, once you've actually paid for your house, car, and schooling, there really isn't that much outright need for a middle-class income - and thus no need to pay massive amounts of taxes. Once it's all paid off, you are then free to either (A) drop expenses to minimal sustinence needs (comfortable class of food, travel, etc.) which are so low as to be nearly untaxed, or (B) take significant financial risks (start a business, invest heavily, etc.) with payoff either so low (practical failure) to be nearly untaxed or so high (success exceeding the Leftist definition of "rich") that significant tax-reduction options become available. But so long as you MUST pay your mortgage bill (and car & school bills) every month, you are locked in to an economic class which practically maximizes your tax liability indefinitely.
Yeah, because it's obviously a right, and the Constitution grants no power for Congress to abridge that right.
The primary argument against a "bill of rights" among our Founding Fathers was precisely that by enumerating rights, other plain & obvious rights would be discounted as such because they were not enumerated therein. The right of travel, including vehicular travel, was so blatantly obvious and unassailable that the Founding Fathers felt no need to consume space & rhetoric listing it among other rights which were more immediately & continually endangered. It never occurred to them that such a right would even need explicit recognition & protection. Can YOU imagine George Washington saying "why yes, the federal government CAN impose extensive convoluted restrictions on who can travel how by what vehicles"? of course not, he'd look at you with a "what the he11 is wrong with you" expression at the suggestion that vehicular travel is not a right.
How 'bout this: You Madame Speaker, plus of course your state's US Senate contingent, turn in all of your guns and we keep all of ours.
Fregards.
Uh, nope.
Things resembling that are in effect in some states now and if that's what you like you can go there. Word on the street though is they are among the highest crime places in America.
Seriously that's a capitulation with which I'll not truck. Way too many opportunities to abuse and infringe, the list of doors to kick down in the night, for example.
Just because it's paranoia doesn't mean it can't happen. And if it did then it wouldn't be paranoia. And it has so it isn't.
I have chosen to be not listed on such a ready made database by where I live and how I do business. In a shall issue state, I have not and will not get a "permit".
To me it's already too much that somewhere there's one 20 year old ATF form with my name on it, the dealer having gone out of business and it's location uncertain, a consequence of the Clinton pushback on the kitchen table guys.
So again, nope.
For the sake of discussion, let's assume that BOOM, tomorrow the AWB is passed and Bambi signs it into law.
THEN WHAT?
All of us sit here behind our keyboards and say that "the war will begin in earnest", "I won't step back behind that line", etc. etc. I've done it too.
But what will REALLY happen? Nothing.
And then someday, some patriot will have a SWAT team camped outside his house for a violation under the new AWB.
THEN WHAT?
Nothing. Until you and I and every other keyboard commando have the means/method to communicate with other patriots and the stones to pick up a gun and go stand with that guy who has the SWAT team surrounding his house, NOTHING will happen.
And this is why we fail.
Thanks very much.
Well a VHF/UHF handheld isn't gonna get you very far but it's very useful for local coords and I've done that a lot in activities more exposed to public. There are repeaters with cross country links but most work over the internet and in a SHTF scenario should probably not be relied upon (nor infrastructure in general FTM).
There are some real nice (and expensive) luggable HF rigs that can run on internal batteries, and on the used market tons of more affordable transportable HF rigs.
To me the latter, if not as convenient, is more practical due to their higher power (I would recommend an adjustable range of 0 to something near 100 watts), and one can assemble a quickly deployable station that will deliver predictable results for a few hundred bucks. My transportable kit is built around a Yaesu FT747GX, IMO one of the most user friendly HF rigs ever (simplicity is sometimes way underrated), but it has many equals from the era in which it was made (15-20 years ago). You can get somewhat comparable brand new stuff but lots more expensive of course.
I have been a licensed Ham for 31 years and I highly recommend joining the fraternity. It has never been easier to do than right now, and on the bands you'll find plenty of folks with interest common to this thread.
Good link, the A&M group, I intend to check it out. I sort of lurk in a Ham group on ar15.com, but it's not real organized from what I can tell, and I have never actually found one of their nets on the air (someone correct me if they really do have them).
FED.gov is looking to get us all in electric vehicles by a certain date.
Yeah, they’re gonna tell us who can, how, when and where.
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