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Rick Warren Disavows Support for Prop. 8
Onenewsnow.com ^ | April 8, 2009 | Jim Brown

Posted on 04/08/2009 3:21:28 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta

California mega-church pastor and author of The Purpose Driven Life Rick Warren says he apologized to his homosexual friends for making comments in support of California's Proposition 8, and now claims he "never once even gave an endorsement" of the marriage amendment.

Pastor Rick WarrenMonday night on CNN's Larry King Live, Pastor Rick Warren apologized for his support of Prop. 8, California's voter-approved marriage protection amendment, saying he has "never been and never will be" an "anti-gay or anti-gay marriage activist."

"During the whole Proposition 8 thing, I never once went to a meeting, never once issued a statement, never -- never once even gave an endorsement in the two years Prop. 8 was going," Warren told the CNN audience on Monday. "The week before the -- the vote, somebody in my church said, 'Pastor Rick, what -- what do you think about this?' And I sent a note to my own members that said, I actually believe that marriage is -- really should be defined, that that definition should be -- say between a man and a woman."

However, just two weeks before the November 4 Prop. 8 vote, Pastor Warren issued a clear endorsement of the marriage amendment while speaking to church members. "We support Proposition 8 -- and if you believe what the Bible says about marriage, you need to support Proposition 8," he said.

The following is a complete transcript of Warren's comments just weeks before the Prop. 8 election:

"The election's coming just in a couple of weeks, and I hope you're praying about your vote. One of the propositions, of course, that I want to mention is Proposition 8, which is the proposition that had to be instituted because the courts threw out the will of the people. And a court of four guys actually voted to change a definition of marriage that has been going for 5,000 years.

"Now let me say this really clearly: we support Proposition 8 -- and if you believe what the Bible says about marriage, you need to support Proposition 8. I never support a candidate, but on moral issues I come out very clear.

"This is one thing, friends, that all politicians tend to agree on. Both Barack Obama and John McCain, I flat-out asked both of them: what is your definition of marriage? And they both said the same thing -- it is the traditional, historic, universal definition of marriage: one man and one woman, for life. And every culture for 5,000 years, and every religion for 5,000 years, has said the definition of marriage is between one man and a woman.

"Now here's an interesting thing. There are about two percent of Americans [who] are homosexual or gay/lesbian people. We should not let two percent of the population determine to change a definition of marriage that has been supported by every single culture and every single religion for 5,000 years.

"This is not even just a Christian issue -- it's a humanitarian and human issue that God created marriage for the purpose of family, love, and procreation.

"So I urge you to support Proposition 8, and pass that word on. I'm going to be sending out a note to pastors on what I believe about this. But everybody knows what I believe about it. They heard me at the Civil Forum when I asked both Obama and McCain on their views."

During his CNN interview on Monday, Warren expressed regret for backing Prop. 8. "There were a number of things that were put out. I wrote to all my gay friends -- the leaders that I knew -- and actually apologized to them. That never got out," he admitted.

Additionally, Pastor Warren said he did not want to comment on or criticize the Iowa Supreme Court's decision last week to legalize same-sex "marriage" because it was "not his agenda."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: pastor; prop8; proposition8; rickwarren; saddleback; samesexmarriage; sin
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This man is a phony and a disgrace.
1 posted on 04/08/2009 3:21:28 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

A false prophet...


2 posted on 04/08/2009 3:23:27 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

He should put out his own version of the Bible where he takes out all of the insensitive things God says/does.


3 posted on 04/08/2009 3:24:16 PM PDT by exist
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To: who knows what evil?

Exactly. A teacher for the itching-ears set.


4 posted on 04/08/2009 3:24:21 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

What is wrong with Rick Warren????

I feel sorry for people who have looked up to this man. Their hero has fallen further.


5 posted on 04/08/2009 3:24:31 PM PDT by Buddygirl
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
This man is a phony and a disgrace.

Contributions from the gay community must be down. Wait until the straight community sees this; they will really plummet.

6 posted on 04/08/2009 3:24:59 PM PDT by CedarDave (DHS Sec. Napolitano - No such thing as terrorism, just man-caused disasters!!!)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

{Pastor Warren said he did not want to comment on or criticize the Iowa Supreme Court’s decision last week to legalize same-sex “marriage” because it was “not his agenda.”}

Then what is Rick Warren’s agenda?


7 posted on 04/08/2009 3:25:40 PM PDT by yongin (The Messiah's economic policy is a Katrina waiting to happen)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

The ‘itching ears set’...yes; exactly.


8 posted on 04/08/2009 3:26:39 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

The only good response is exactly what the Bible says about it...


Romans 1:16-32

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.

17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “The just shall live by faith.”

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.

20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,

21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.

22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,

23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.

24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves,

25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.

27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting;

29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers,

30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful;

32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.


It’s kind of hard to top that...


9 posted on 04/08/2009 3:28:08 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: yongin
He says it's Rwanda. Yes, he does.

Looks like he's realizing that U.S. politics is getting him in trouble.

10 posted on 04/08/2009 3:28:45 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Buddygirl
I JUST CALLED THE SADDLEBACK CHURCH IN SAN CLEMENTE, CA. THE LADY WHO ANSWERED WAS AWARE OF WHAT IS BEING REPORTED BUT WAS INSISTENT THAT RICK WARREN NEVER DISAVOWED ON LARRY KING HIS SUPPORT FOR PROP. 8. I STRONGLY ADVISED HER TO NOTIFY MR. WARREN TO ISSUE A STATEMENT CLARIFYING HIS POSITION. LET'S SEE IF THIS HAPPENS.
11 posted on 04/08/2009 3:29:49 PM PDT by Son-Joshua (son-joshua)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
Sounds like Warren's earlier statements were recorded quite satisfactorily ~ so why would he change what he said on Larry King Live?

Muy interestante.

Does Larry have something on him ~ or did Larry's evil minions "adjust" the soundtrack?

12 posted on 04/08/2009 3:30:16 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Amen!!

Another False Prophet falls for the poison of Political Correctness!


13 posted on 04/08/2009 3:30:20 PM PDT by TaraP (The RAPTURE: Separation of Church and State)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Pastor Rick WarrenMonday night on CNN’s Larry King Live, Pastor Rick Warren apologized for his support of Prop. 8, California’s voter-approved marriage protection amendment, saying he has “never been and never will be” an “anti-gay or anti-gay marriage activist.”

How about being a Christian Mr Warren and standing for the Family and against sin?


14 posted on 04/08/2009 3:31:45 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Coming to You From the Front Lines of Occupied America)
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To: Son-Joshua

Please keep us informed with this!

If he did not say that, I am sorry what I said about him here...


15 posted on 04/08/2009 3:33:22 PM PDT by TaraP (The RAPTURE: Separation of Church and State)
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To: yongin
It's quite possible to sense Warren's problem with even discussing the Iowa decision since it seems to OK bestiality!

Like, there are some gays who don't go along with that.

At some point here we need a legal type to anal-yze that particular abomination and give us the "what fors" and "who ifs" about it so we can begin to understand what the unanimous court actually said.

At the moment any reasonable person would believe the Iowa court stepped off the planet!

16 posted on 04/08/2009 3:34:08 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Okay, so which member of the “gay community” has pictures of him with barnyard animals?


17 posted on 04/08/2009 3:35:02 PM PDT by lady lawyer
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

What a great Christian he has turned out to be. I doubt he even believes on God. He is no Christian, just like McCain is not a conservative.


18 posted on 04/08/2009 3:35:26 PM PDT by stockpirate ("When governments fear the people, there is liberty. " T. Jefferson)
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To: Star Traveler
That's the perfect description, Star Traveler.

You're right; you can't top God's double-edged sword.

19 posted on 04/08/2009 3:39:27 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

In his own words:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYIWSyMrhRA

So much for preaching the Word of God.


20 posted on 04/08/2009 3:41:06 PM PDT by Catholic Iowan
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Guess Rick Warren is more interested in pleasing man than adhering to orthodox Christianity.

But then we already knew that, didn’t we?


21 posted on 04/08/2009 3:42:26 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I'm SO glad I no longer belong to the party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: Buddygirl

Maybe he’s a poofer


22 posted on 04/08/2009 3:42:55 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
This man is a phony and a disgrace.

Another phony and disgrace named Hugh Hewitt is defending Warren and telling people that they are wrong, Hewitt also claims that he hasn't seen the Larry King video. Hewitt interviewed him yesterday.

23 posted on 04/08/2009 3:43:04 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: All

What a coward..


24 posted on 04/08/2009 3:44:28 PM PDT by newnhdad (The longest of journeys begins with one step.)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

I just tossed his book in the trash. What a phony.


25 posted on 04/08/2009 3:46:52 PM PDT by JamesA (He who hesitates is lost.)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
Just call him the Fonz...


26 posted on 04/08/2009 3:49:23 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (Don't blame me...I voted for Palin!)
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To: yongin
BTW, just to refresh in my mind what the Iowa court was up to, I went back and reread the entire decision ONE MORE TIME.

It's full of modernist subterfuges and absolute denials of the legitimacy of law, but it's biggest problem is that it simply deletes the "one man and one woman" part.

With all the rest of the statute left intact nothing would seem to prohibit the marriage of a woman and a donkey (for example, not that any woman would want to do that, but the Iowa Supreme Court sure seems to think so).

Anyway, in Iowa Justices on the state Supreme Court are appointed by the governor from a list of nominees submitted by the State Judicial Nominating Commission.

I must presume this was one of those "let's get better candidates" reforms ~ but what it actually did was created a court with a very limited electorate. It's down to a Governor and a Committee, and I'll guarantee you a dozen people are not as good an arbiter of selection for office in a democracy as are the body of the people as a whole.

That's where Iowa went astray ~ it bought into the fascism of the 1920s and 1930s and now even laws enacted by both the legislature and the people through referendum ARE NO LONGER BEYOND THE REACH of a small group of cronies and postmenopausal old ladies.

27 posted on 04/08/2009 3:51:51 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Salvation is not a destination but a journey.


28 posted on 04/08/2009 3:53:46 PM PDT by stevio (Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
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To: who knows what evil?

And the tingling leg set too.


29 posted on 04/08/2009 3:55:40 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Psalm 83:1-8 is on the horizon.)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

When Warren was invited to speak at Obamas innauguration I laughed at the DU’ers who were wcreaming that they had been hoodwinked by Obama. One DU poster wrote a comment that I vowed to watch for. In defense of Obama the poster wrote something to the effect, “Maybe Obama is out to change Warren rather then be changed by Warren.” Be damned if that DUer wasn’t spot on!!!


30 posted on 04/08/2009 4:01:00 PM PDT by awake-n-angry
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To: muawiyah
With all the rest of the statute left intact nothing would seem to prohibit the marriage of a woman and a donkey (for example, not that any woman would want to do that

How about a woman and a chimpanzee?

31 posted on 04/08/2009 4:03:47 PM PDT by bornred
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To: who knows what evil?

My thoughts exactly...purpose-driven apostasy


32 posted on 04/08/2009 4:04:02 PM PDT by SoDak (Molon Labe)
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To: bornred
No doubt that's going to be quite proper in Iowa as soon as the Court issues it's order to implement their order.

I suspect several of the ol'gals on that court are going to show up at the JP's office soon thereafter, chimp in tow, or maybe with their little Chihuahuas!

33 posted on 04/08/2009 4:05:50 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Rick Warren makes Joel Osteen look legitimate.


34 posted on 04/08/2009 4:07:31 PM PDT by FreepShop1 (www.FreepShop.com)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

NEVER trust a man that wears a goattee like his....he looks dirty and he SEEMS to be a PHONY.


35 posted on 04/08/2009 4:08:04 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: stockpirate

Yes, but he sold a whole lot of books.


36 posted on 04/08/2009 4:10:01 PM PDT by ducdriver (judica me, Deus, et discerne causam meam de gente non sancta. (Ps. 42))
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To: FreepShop1

Sad, but true.


37 posted on 04/08/2009 4:11:42 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: TaraP; Son-Joshua
Judge for yourself.

Larry King interview - Rick Warren

Rick Warren on Prop 8

38 posted on 04/08/2009 4:14:51 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

So Rick...is homosexuality an abomination in God’s eyes?


39 posted on 04/08/2009 4:21:30 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: DJ MacWoW

RICK WARREN TENDS TO SKIRT ISSUES AND I THINK HE DID IT AGAIN WHILE BEING INTERVIEWED WITH LARRY KING ALIVE. REGARDING PROP. 8. HE OFTEN SAYS YES&NO WHEN BEING INTERVIEWED ON CONTROVERSIAL ISSUES. HIS YES’S OUGHT TO YES AND HIS NO’S OUGHT TO BE NO’S.


40 posted on 04/08/2009 4:29:08 PM PDT by Son-Joshua (son-joshua)
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To: Son-Joshua

You can’t claim Jesus and then dance on the fence.


41 posted on 04/08/2009 4:31:00 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Terriergal; wendelmyer

ping


42 posted on 04/08/2009 4:34:33 PM PDT by Blogger (It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins. - Ben Franklin)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
Rick: choose one.

God or Manna

43 posted on 04/08/2009 4:43:05 PM PDT by Popman (One useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three is a Congress - John Adams)
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To: who knows what evil?
A false prophet...

And an APOSTATE! What Rick Warren says means NOTHING - if God says it's wrong and the Bible says it's wrong, then IT'S WRONG!!!

44 posted on 04/08/2009 5:03:11 PM PDT by Florida native
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Where have the men with courage and conviction gone? All we have left are frauds and wimps.


45 posted on 04/08/2009 5:10:12 PM PDT by Conan the Conservative (Crush the liberals, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the hippies.)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

warren lost all my respect when he played soft ball interviewing Hillary (pro - baby killer) he let the ‘above my pay scale “ comment go for obamas answer to when life begins.

seems warren is too freindly with baby killer. now this gay thing. I dont like him one bit, damn liberal he is.


46 posted on 04/08/2009 5:24:58 PM PDT by dhm914
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

I am thrilled that I resisted many urges by well-meaning Christian friends to read his crappy book.

Someone must have some pictures of him in a “wide stance”.

Mrs. AV


47 posted on 04/08/2009 5:39:49 PM PDT by Atomic Vomit (Vim Toot!)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
So what kind of photos of Rick Warren are in someones collection to bring this on...
48 posted on 04/08/2009 5:46:02 PM PDT by tubebender
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Sick SOB.


49 posted on 04/08/2009 5:54:44 PM PDT by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked. Prov. 25:26)
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To: Star Traveler
Here's a pretty good prayer song
50 posted on 04/08/2009 7:56:51 PM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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