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More than 700 scientists discredit man-made global warming fears
The Cleveland Examiner ^ | March 17, 2009 | Paul Fuhr

Posted on 04/09/2009 12:41:39 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

“59” might be the magic number for Americans to start thinking twice about global warming fears.

59 scientists around the world have officially added their names to the much-publicized U.S. Senate Minority Report that denounces claims about man-made global warming. This pushes the tally of skeptical scientists to well over 700.

According to a new report, the 700-plus scientists are “now more than 13 times the number of U.N. scientists who authored the media-hyped IPCC 2007 Summary for Policymakers.” Many of the scientists are “affiliated with prestigious institutions” including NASA, the U.S. Navy, the U.S. Defense Department, Princeton University, as well as countless others.

Skeptical scientific voices are enjoying more and more company in past weeks, especially in light of a recent article published in The Australian that says Japanese scientists are largely rejecting man-made global warming claims. Japanese Geologist Dr. Shigenori Maruyama, professor at the Tokyo Institute of Technology’s Department of Earth and Planetary Sciences, said this month that “there was widespread skepticism among his colleagues about the IPCC's fourth and latest assessment report that most of the observed global temperature increase since the mid-20th century 'is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations.'"

According to a report published by the U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works, Maruyama noted that when this question was raised at a Japan Geoscience Union symposium last year, "the result showed 90 percent of the participants do not believe the IPCC report.” The same report notes:

Botanist Dr. David Bellamy, a famed UK environmental campaigner, former lecturer at Durham University, and host of a popular UK TV series on wildlife, says the international promotion of man-made global warming fears are nearing their end. “The ­science has, quite simply, gone awry. In fact, it’s not even science any more, it’s anti-science,” says Bellamy, who used to believe in man-made warming.

Perhaps Princeton physicist Dr. Robert H. Austen, a member of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences, said it best earlier this month: “Unfortunately, Climate Science has become Political Science … It is tragic that some perhaps well-meaning but politically-motivated scientists who should know better have whipped up a global frenzy about a phenomena which is statistically questionable at best.”

Increasingly, the number of scientists skeptical of global warming seem to be responding to both doomsday predictions of climate change as well as peer-reviewed analyses that downplay claims that man-made global warming is a reality. Just a few weeks ago, Dr. Anastasios Tsonis of the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee remarked in Geophysical Research Letters that while Earth undergoes natural climate changes: “I don’t think we can say much about what the humans are doing.” In almost every way, his appropriately ambiguous thoughts seem to best underscore the current war between skeptics and alarmists.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: algore; climatechange; economy; globalwarming; gorebullwarming; kyoto; science; scientists; weather
We are like tiny pissants on Mount Everest who think we somehow effect it.
1 posted on 04/09/2009 12:41:39 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

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2 posted on 04/09/2009 12:47:34 AM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That won’t stop Der Obamafuhrer screwing up the economy for it.


3 posted on 04/09/2009 12:49:43 AM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out (click my name)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is in addition to the statement by 18,000 plus scientists and engineers who publicly stated they also found no truth to the left’s new “god” of ‘New Ice Age”.. er.. “Global Warming.. er...’Climate Change’.... oh.. back to “Global Warming” (man made of course).

But yes, this will not change ONE BIT of idiotic, economy destroying policies from the totalitarian leftists in power. That is because it is not about “fixing” the environment (which was, is, and shall never be a static measure), it is about POWER. Just as ‘gun control’ is not about guns, but CONTROL.

And that is what a leftist will sell his mother... or his “typical white person” grandmother to the highest bidder for: POWER and CONTROL.


4 posted on 04/09/2009 1:40:47 AM PDT by M1Tanker (Proven Daily: Modern "progressive" liberalism is just National Socialism without the "twisted cross")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Answer from moron left: But are they CLIMATOLOGIST??? See, if they aren’t, they are stupid and don’t count.


5 posted on 04/09/2009 3:10:47 AM PDT by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristoferrson VIVA LA REVOLUTION!)
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To: M1Tanker

“This is in addition to the statement by 18,000 plus scientists and engineers who publicly stated they also found no truth.....”

Actually it was 31,000+ and I am one of them.


6 posted on 04/09/2009 3:32:26 AM PDT by DarthVader (Liberalism is the politics of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
There is no evidence that CO2 has ever caused significant warming on Earth, at least not when the concentrations were within 10-15 times of what they are today. Water vapor is, by far, the most important greenhouse gas in the Earth system. Water vapor accounts for about 95% of the greenhouse effect on Earth. -etl

THE ACQUITTAL OF CARBON DIOXIDE
by Jeffrey A. Glassman, PhD

ABSTRACT:

"Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere [historically] is the product of oceanic respiration due to the well-known but under-appreciated solubility pump. Carbon dioxide rises out of warm ocean waters where it is added to the atmosphere. There it is mixed with residual and accidental CO2, and circulated, to be absorbed into the sink of the cold ocean waters. Next the thermohaline circulation carries the CO2-rich sea water deep into the ocean. A millennium later it appears at the surface in warm waters, saturated by lower pressure and higher temperature, to be exhausted back into the atmosphere. Throughout the past 420 millennia, comprising four interglacial periods, the Vostok record of atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration is imprinted with, and fully characterized by, the physics of the solubility of CO2 in water, along with the lag in the deep ocean circulation.

Notwithstanding that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, atmospheric carbon dioxide has neither caused nor amplified global temperature increases. Increased carbon dioxide has been an effect of global warming, not a cause. Technically, carbon dioxide is a lagging proxy for ocean temperatures. When global temperature, and along with it, ocean temperature rises, the physics of solubility causes atmospheric CO2 to increase.

If increases in carbon dioxide, or any other greenhouse gas, could have in turn raised global temperatures, the positive feedback would have been catastrophic. While the conditions for such a catastrophe were present in the Vostok record from natural causes, the runaway event did not occur. Carbon dioxide does not accumulate in the atmosphere."

http://www.rocketscientistsjournal.com/2006/10/co2_acquittal.html
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The graph above represents temperature and CO2 levels over the past 400,000 years. It is the same exact data Al Gore and the rest of the man-made global warmers refer to. The blue line is temps, the red, CO2 levels. The deep valleys represent 4 separate glaciation/ice-age periods. Look carefully at this historical relationship between temps and CO2 levels (the present is on the right hand side of the graph) and keep in mind that Gore claims this data is the 'proof' that CO2 has warmed the earth in the past. But does the data indeed show this? Nope. In fact, rising CO2 levels all throughout this 400,000-year period actually *followed* temperature increases -lagging behind by an average of 800 years! So it couldn't have been CO2 that got Earth out of these past glaciations. Yet Gore continually and dishonestly claims otherwise. Furthermore, the subsequent CO2 level increases due to dissolved CO2 being released from warming oceans, never did lead to additional warming, the so-called "run-away greenhouse effect" that Al Gore and his friends keep warning us about. In short, there is little if any evidence that CO2 had ever led to increased warming, at least not when the levels were within 10-15 times of what they are today. -etl
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"The above chart shows the range of global temperature through the last 500 million years. There is no statistical correlation between the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere through the last 500 million years and the temperature record in this interval. In fact, one of the highest levels of carbon dioxide concentration occurred during a major ice age that occurred about 450 million years ago [Myr]. Carbon dioxide concentrations at that time were about 15 times higher than at present." [also see 180 million years ago, same thing happened]:
http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=010405M
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So, greenhouse [effect] is all about carbon dioxide, right?

Wrong. The most important players on the greenhouse stage are water vapor and clouds [clouds of course aren't gas, but high level ones do act to trap heat from escaping, while low-lying cumulus clouds tend to reflect sunlight and thereby help cool the planet -etl]. Carbon dioxide has been increased to about 0.038% of the atmosphere (possibly from about 0.028% pre-Industrial Revolution) while water in its various forms ranges from 0% to 4% of the atmosphere and its properties vary by what form it is in and even at what altitude it is found in the atmosphere.

In simple terms the bulk of Earth's greenhouse effect is due to water vapor by virtue of its abundance. Water accounts for about 90% of the Earth's greenhouse effect -- perhaps 70% is due to water vapor and about 20% due to clouds (mostly water droplets), some estimates put water as high as 95% of Earth's total tropospheric greenhouse effect (e.g., Freidenreich and Ramaswamy, 'Solar Radiation Absorption by Carbon Dioxide, Overlap with Water, and a Parameterization for General Circulation Models,' Journal of Geophysical Research 98 (1993):7255-7264).

The remaining portion comes from carbon dioxide, nitrous oxide, methane, ozone and miscellaneous other 'minor greenhouse gases.' As an example of the relative importance of water it should be noted that changes in the relative humidity on the order of 1.3-4% are equivalent to the effect of doubling CO2.

http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/
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Water Vapor Rules the Greenhouse System

Water vapor constitutes Earth's most significant greenhouse gas, accounting for about 95% of Earth's greenhouse effect (4). Interestingly, many 'facts and figures' regarding global warming completely ignore the powerful effects of water vapor in the greenhouse system, carelessly (perhaps, deliberately) overstating human impacts as much as 20-fold.

Water vapor is 99.999% of natural origin. Other atmospheric greenhouse gases, carbon dioxide (CO2), methane (CH4), nitrous oxide (N2O), and miscellaneous other gases (CFC's, etc.), are also mostly of natural origin (except for the latter, which is mostly anthropogenic).

Human activities contribute slightly to greenhouse gas concentrations through farming, manufacturing, power generation, and transportation. However, these emissions are so dwarfed in comparison to emissions from natural sources we can do nothing about, that even the most costly efforts to limit human emissions would have a very small-- perhaps undetectable-- effect on global climate.

http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html
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Water Vapor Confirmed As Major Player In Climate Change

ScienceDaily (Nov. 18, 2008) — Water vapor is known to be Earth's most abundant greenhouse gas, but the extent of its contribution to global warming has been debated. Using recent NASA satellite data, researchers have estimated more precisely than ever the heat-trapping effect of water in the air, validating the role of the gas as a critical component of climate change.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/11/081117193013.htm

7 posted on 04/09/2009 3:49:06 AM PDT by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
From The Washington Times, January 12, 2009

Obama climate czar has socialist ties
Group sees 'global governance' as solution

by Stephen Dinan

Until last week, Carol M. Browner, President-elect Barack Obama's pick as global warming czar, was listed as one of 14 leaders of a socialist group's Commission for a Sustainable World Society, which calls for "global governance" and says rich countries must shrink their economies to address climate change.

By Thursday, Mrs. Browner's name and biography had been removed from Socialist International's Web page, though a photo of her speaking June 30 to the group's congress in Greece was still available.

lots more...
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jan/12/obama-climate-czar-has-socialist-ties/
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Obama's "Climate Czar" is on the same page with Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro...

From GreenLeft.org

VENEZUELA: Chavez calls for global offensive for socialism
August 31, 2005

excerpts...

"The environment is suffering damage that could be irreversible — global warming, the greenhouse effect, the melting of the polar ice caps, the rising sea level, hurricanes — with terrible social occurrences that will shake life on this planet."

"I believe this idea has a strong connection with reality. I don't think we have much time. Fidel Castro said in one of his speeches I read not so long ago, 'tomorrow could be too late, let's do now what we need to do'."

"I believe it is time that we take up with courage and clarity a political, social, collective and ideological offensive across the world — a real offensive that permits us to move progressively, over the next years, the next decades, leaving behind the perverse, destructive, destroyer, capitalist model and go forward in constructing the socialist model to avoid barbarism and beyond that the annihilation of life on this planet."

--Hugo Chavez, at the 16th World Festival of Youth and Students, held in Caracas on August 8-15, 2005

http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/2005/640/640p16.htm

8 posted on 04/09/2009 3:49:56 AM PDT by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It does not matter how many scientists believe in AGW, or don't believe in it.

That has nothing to do with the truth of the underlying reality.

Nothing.

If every scientist on earth believed it, it wouldn't make it true. If every scientist on earth rejected it, that wouldn't make it false.

Scientists do not vote on the truth.

9 posted on 04/09/2009 3:53:11 AM PDT by Jim Noble (They are willing to kill for socialism...but not to die for it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Any pool hall bum coulda told us as much, or any beach bum.


10 posted on 04/09/2009 3:54:10 AM PDT by Waco (Plan B. Try genocide, shall WE)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Little Bill; IrishCatholic; Normandy; According2RecentPollsAirIsGood; Fiddlstix; ...
 


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11 posted on 04/09/2009 4:10:28 AM PDT by steelyourfaith (What new from the Thief-in-Chief?)
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To: DarthVader
“This is in addition to the statement by 18,000 plus scientists and engineers who publicly stated they also found no truth.....”
Actually it was 31,000+ and I am one of them.

Thank you for your dedication and contribution. I use this story often when this subject comes up.
31,000 Scientists Rejecting Global Warming Theory to be Named Monday

I just read the other day the number is up over 31,100 now. It surprises me (well, not really) these fine scholars are not given the time of day while a bloviating college flunkie like Al Gore is given top billing.

12 posted on 04/09/2009 5:06:00 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: Just A Nobody

I love it when I talk about this subject with people on the street and they insist that it is a problem. Then I tell them my credentials, education and start shooting holes through their half-baked theories with facts. Then the silence becomes golden and their humiliation is complete.

Dealing with these types of people remind me of Sean Connery’s statement in “The Untouchables”: “Just like a typical Dago who brings a knife to a gunfight.”


13 posted on 04/09/2009 6:13:06 AM PDT by DarthVader (Liberalism is the politics of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: DarthVader

18,000 was the number when I deployed to Iraq last time. The story was buried in the news, of course and I never followed up more on it.

Not only was it ignored, I heard that some of the signers were attacked both ‘professionally’ and by “green” zealots (who probably arrived in posh SUVs and lead by “community” organizers in limos).

My degree is Industrial Engineering and I remember trying to debate the greenie zombies (usually English Lit and ‘Journalism’ majors) in the 1990s. This was while I was in college. Their argument when confronted by the lack of data integrity and Scientific Method employed by the green theocracy was that since I was an engineer, how could I possibly know science... yet they were ‘experts’.

It is difficult to argue when every insane word from your leftist opponent leaves your jaw on the ground. It is more difficult to argue with an insane, leftist zealot prone to violent acts and verbal attacks. At least the Islamic insane zealots I get to deal with now actually do not hold back and attack... while hiding behind women and children.


14 posted on 04/09/2009 6:52:52 AM PDT by M1Tanker (Proven Daily: Modern "progressive" liberalism is just National Socialism without the "twisted cross")
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To: M1Tanker

“It is difficult to argue when every insane word from your leftist opponent leaves your jaw on the ground. It is more difficult to argue with an insane, leftist zealot prone to violent acts and verbal attacks.”

I usually do not have that problem with these drones because I am 6’ 1” 270 and powerfully built. They always back down and are wise for doing so.


15 posted on 04/09/2009 8:20:15 AM PDT by DarthVader (Liberalism is the politics of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: ETL
Carol M. Browner, President-elect Barack Obama's pick as global warming czar, was listed as one of 14 leaders of a socialist group's Commission for a Sustainable World Society, which calls for "global governance" and says rich countries must shrink their economies to address climate change.
By Thursday, Mrs. Browner's name and biography had been removed from Socialist International's Web page, though a photo of her speaking June 30 to the group's congress in Greece was still available.

Although this happened in January, 2009, it is unquestionably still very much relevant.

Anyone know how to access archived pages from the we? We need to save that site's web page before it was sanitized by the Big Brother crowd.

16 posted on 04/09/2009 9:11:33 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Change is not a plan; Hope is not a strategy.)
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To: Publius6961

Try this site:

http://web.archive.org/

And/or try to find it in cache form. ie, use some clever search words to find the article on the web, then click on “cache version”, as opposed to the regular link. Web pages are stored for long periods of time in cache form. I don’t have time right now or else I would try it myself. Good luck.


17 posted on 04/09/2009 9:22:05 AM PDT by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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Thank you for the tip. That looks like a useful link.


18 posted on 04/09/2009 9:36:24 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Change is not a plan; Hope is not a strategy.)
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BINGO!

Let's see if this works...

This commission is a subgroup of the Socialists International group at:

Cached Socialists International Web Page

Clicking on the image on that page will produce the cached page above.
Please note that after Jan 5, 2009, the page shown as a "jpg" here was removed and is no longer there.

19 posted on 04/09/2009 10:05:58 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Change is not a plan; Hope is not a strategy.)
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To: Publius6961

Great work! Too bad the link isn’t direct to the Google page itself (as opposed to a Google cache copied by “24ahead.com”. Perhaps the original Google cache no longer exists?


20 posted on 04/10/2009 1:43:57 AM PDT by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ...

Obama may fire pollution particles into stratosphere
in bid to tackle global warming
Daily Mail UK | 4/9/09 | David Gardner
Posted on 04/09/2009 2:42:34 PM PDT by Jean S
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2225886/posts


21 posted on 04/10/2009 3:15:42 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: DarthVader
Then I tell them my credentials, education and start shooting holes through their half-baked theories with facts.

Out of curiousity, what's an example of one of the half-baked theories you shot holes through with facts?

I like to know what facts are useful.

22 posted on 04/10/2009 7:17:52 PM PDT by cogitator
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