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Australia experiencing more violent crime despite gun ban
Austin Gun Rights Examiner ^ | 8 April, 2009 | Howard Nemerov

Posted on 04/09/2009 5:26:40 AM PDT by marktwain

In a previous article, we examined the revisionist history of anti-rights proponents who claim that since Australia instituted their gun ban, there have been no mass murders, despite the recent “gun-free” massacre of 135 Australians.

It is a common fantasy that gun bans make society safer. Peace Movement Aotearoa, based in New Zealand, calls itself a “national networking organization…interested in peace and social justice.” A fact sheet on their site is entitled Sharp Drop in Gun Crime Follows Tough Australian Firearm Laws. It’s very revealing that gun ban organizations validate gun control by focusing on gun-involved violence while avoiding any mention of overall violent crime trends.

According to the Australian Bureau of Statistics, there was a slight drop in the percent of murders committed with a firearm between 2001 and 2007 (16.0% and 13.4%, respectively). However, the percentage was highest in 2006 (16.3%) and remains higher than the low of 8.9% in 2005. There is no difference in the use of a firearm in robbery: Guns were used in 6.4% of all robberies in both 2001 and 2007.

In 2002–five years after enacting its gun ban–the Australian Bureau of Criminology acknowledged there is no correlation between gun control and the use of firearms in violent crime: “The percentage of homicides committed with a firearm continued its declining trend since 1969.”

Even the head of Australia’s Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research, Don Weatherburn, acknowledged that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime: There has been a drop in firearm-related crime, particularly in homicide, but it began long before the new laws and has continued on afterwards. I don't think anyone really understands why. A lot of people assume that the tougher laws did it, but I would need more specific, convincing evidence …

There has been a more specific … problem with handguns, which rose up quite rapidly and then declined. The decline appears to have more to do with the arrest of those responsible than the new laws. As soon as the heroin shortage hit, the armed robbery rate came down. I don't think it was anything to do with the tougher firearm laws.

Weatherburn also acknowledged that the best crime measure consists of “the arrest of those responsible.”

Moreover, Australia and America both experienced similar decreases in murder rates: Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9% decrease; without a gun ban, America’s rate dropped 31.7%.

Now for the rest of the story

During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2% and robbery 6.2%. Sexual assault–Australia’s equivalent term for rape–increased 29.9%. Overall, Australia’s violent crime rate rose 42.2%. At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8%: rape dropped 19.2%; robbery decreased 33.2%; aggravated assault dropped 32.2%. Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women (whom ABC reports are arming themselves at record rates because of safety concerns): More women, from soccer moms to professionals like the ones at the Blue Ridge Arsenal gun range in Chantilly, Va., are packing heat for sport, self-empowerment and protection.

While this doesn’t prove that more guns would impact crime rates, it does prove that gun control is a flawed policy. Moreover, for groups like Peace Movement Aotearoa, it’s apparently social justice when more people are raped, robbed, and assaulted, as long as they cannot defend themselves with firearms. This highlights the most important point: Gun banners promote failed policy irregardless of the consequences to the people who must live with them.

References

Violent crime rates compiled from Australian Bureau of Statistics and U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation sources. Email request for Excel workbook.

**************************************** For in-depth analysis of the dangerous side-effects of Britain’s and Australia’s gun bans, read Chapter 2 of Howard’s book Four Hundred Years of Gun Control: Why Isn’t It Working?, which deconstructs the gun control agenda and motivates more people to support our civil right of self-defense


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: australia; banglist; crime; guncontrol
Good numbers, facts instead of emotion. Too bad there is a large segment of the population who facts do not reach, because they depend on the MSM.
1 posted on 04/09/2009 5:26:40 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Don’t think anyone here will be surprised by these facts.


2 posted on 04/09/2009 5:30:15 AM PDT by FrogMom (No such thing as an honest democrat!)
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To: marktwain

Can’t say I’ve ever heard of these “Peace Movement Aotearoa” people, and I am from Aotearoa (New Zealand).

I shall check into them, see how real they are...


3 posted on 04/09/2009 5:32:20 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: marktwain
There is no difference in the use of a firearm in robbery: Guns were used in 6.4% of all robberies in both 2001 and 2007.

Surprise! The criminals aren't following the rules. Who would have guessed?

4 posted on 04/09/2009 5:32:34 AM PDT by Islander7 (If you want to anger conservatives, lie to them. If you want to anger liberals, tell them the truth.)
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Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!
5 posted on 04/09/2009 5:34:44 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: marktwain
John Howard engineered the gun ban.

John Howard deserves all the credit for the increase in violent crime.

Tar, Feathers ?

6 posted on 04/09/2009 5:36:42 AM PDT by TYVets
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To: Joe Brower

Instead of “despite,” how about “because of”?


7 posted on 04/09/2009 5:36:53 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: marktwain

8 posted on 04/09/2009 5:39:06 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (1000110010101010100001001001111)
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To: marktwain
Banning guns increases crime...more or less the same as disarming merchant shipping increases Somali pirate raids.
9 posted on 04/09/2009 5:39:14 AM PDT by GBA
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To: marktwain

I'm shocked....................

10 posted on 04/09/2009 5:40:55 AM PDT by Red Badger (If Keynesian economics worked, Zimbabwe would be a superpower.......................)
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To: marktwain

Sheesh. Next you’re going to tell me that criminals don’t follow gun laws, right?


11 posted on 04/09/2009 5:41:24 AM PDT by Doohickey (The more cynical you become, the better off you'll be.)
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To: marktwain
Australia experiencing more violent crime despite BECAUSE OF gun ban
12 posted on 04/09/2009 5:42:24 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I can spell just fine, thanks, it's my typing that sucks.)
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To: marktwain

They should take lessons from the Swiss.

http://stephenhalbrook.com/articles/guns-crime-swiss.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1566715.stm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics


13 posted on 04/09/2009 5:42:27 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Larry Lucido

See post 12.


14 posted on 04/09/2009 5:43:16 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I can spell just fine, thanks, it's my typing that sucks.)
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To: marktwain
Australia experiencing more violent crime despite because of gun ban.

There... Fixed it!

15 posted on 04/09/2009 5:51:06 AM PDT by gridlock (Build a man a fire, he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, he'll be warm the rest of his life.)
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To: marktwain

17 posted on 04/09/2009 6:36:25 AM PDT by Travis McGee ("Foreign Enemies And Traitors" has gone to the printer.)
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To: marktwain
Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women

I read a statistic once, that one in three American women would be raped in their lifetime. If both these statistics are correct, it means 100% of Australian women will be raped in their lifetime. (Or maybe, that the number of rapes in an average lifetime will be the same as the number of women alive - some escaping that fate, but others being raped more than once.)

18 posted on 04/09/2009 7:03:44 AM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: marktwain

Despite??


19 posted on 04/09/2009 7:05:35 AM PDT by arthurus ( H.L. Mencken said, "Every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods.")
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To: coloradan

The American statistic is wrong. It’s based on rumors and phony statistics circulated by radical feminists to demonize men and make women feel vulnerable.

Reported rape peaked around 1990 at 40 per 100,000 people per year, or 80 per 100,000 females per year. It’s generally declined since.

Assuming an average age of 70, this means the average woman stands a 5600 per 100,000 chance, or about 5.6%, of being raped during her lifetime. BTW, this leaves out of the equation the obvious fact that many women living in dangerous areas or with dangerous occupations may be raped more than once. Equally obvious is that women not in these positions have a much lower risk.

The phony statistics are arrived at by unjustified assumptions about the number of unreported rapes and by playing games with the definition of rape.

I have no idea if the Australian stat is accurate.


20 posted on 04/09/2009 7:18:31 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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To: Sherman Logan

Thanks for the correction. I guess it’s obvious in hindsight that “what I know ain’t so” when it is an anonymous, unsourced statistic that just so happens to advances the leftist agenda.


21 posted on 04/09/2009 8:00:52 AM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: marktwain
Australia experiencing more violent crime despite because of gun ban. There...I fixed the title.
22 posted on 04/09/2009 9:16:14 AM PDT by gundog
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To: marktwain

The difference between gun control and Scientology is that the latter also includes bad science fiction.


23 posted on 04/09/2009 9:24:40 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: Joe Brower

Wake Up America!


24 posted on 04/09/2009 1:01:43 PM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: marktwain

Same happened to Britain.


25 posted on 04/09/2009 1:22:03 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Depression Countdown: 55... 54... 53...)
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To: Larry Lucido
Instead of “despite,” how about “because of”?

DING DING DING

26 posted on 04/09/2009 1:24:17 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, Bowman later)
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To: marktwain

Anyone who uses this article as a factual source is being duped. A quick look at the real statistics shows that violent crime in Australia has declined since the gun buy back and death by firearm has decline 47%

http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/violent%20crime.html


27 posted on 11/17/2013 4:31:50 AM PST by TheCatinthetinfoilhat (Don't be duped by this article. Do you're own research from a credible source.)
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To: TheCatinthetinfoilhat

Your sourced chart does not show what you say. It reinforces the article’s points.

It shows assaults and sexual crimes up, homicide dropping a little.

“Gun Deaths” is a propaganda metric. Unjustified homicides are what matters. Overall homicides have dropped in both America (looser gun laws) and in Australia (much tighter gun laws), in the time period mentioned.


28 posted on 11/17/2013 5:16:51 AM PST by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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