Come on now. Does somebody need a hug?
Posted on 04/16/2009 12:43:26 PM PDT by the_Watchman
I told them I was a US citizen. I told them I was on a business trip. I told them I had no drugs or humans in the car. That wasn't enough. They wanted to search the car, and I invoked my 4th am...
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Come on now. Does somebody need a hug?
You learn to read the rest of the thread before posting. I was only going off of what I could read. Some of us can’t get to youtube because of firewalls.
Anyway, my incorrect assumption was already cleared up by other, helpful, posters. And I acknowledged I was in error.
So, I have no need for you or your stupid, pointless post.
I wonder if supporters of the Patriot Act and warrantless searches feel the same way now that Obama is President.
The 4th amendment is a joke. I am taking Criminal Justice and they tell us “If you say they can’t search your car or home, you are assumed guilty. Not technically of course...”
>I haven’t seen the video, and if your description is accurate, it sounds like police overkill.
You should.
>This guy can have all the 4th amendment rights he wants when he is in the country. At the border he’s just being an ass with no leg to stand on.
He WAS in the us, this was NOT a border-crossing.
“One window should have been broken to gain access. This person should have been removed from the vehicle. If he fought, then he should expect to have some form of injury while being brought under control. There wasn’t any reason whatsoever to drag his head along the windowsill with broken glass. There was no reason to stomp his head into the ground.”
BULLSH*T!
You think for no reason whatsoever that a government agency can and should bust into an individual’s property just because they THINK something might be there?
What are you doing here at Free Republic?
Do you suppose they Border Patrol read the DHS report and were concerned that he might be a right wing extremist?
Not all border crossing points are exactly on the border; and people trying to smuggle drugs and people inside the USA often try to avoid the checkpoints ON the border, but are stopped and inspected at other locations that are border crossings, but not ON the border.
I get “inspected” (slightly) every time I drive north of San Diego. I guess they consider anything south of there part of the border “zone”.
Is your contention that there is no compelling State reason for inspections at locations where people are very likely to be crossing from south of the border?
Do you contend that any border checkpoint not directly on the border has no compelling reason for search?
Is this guy agitating for no inspections at border crossing locations?
Or does he just think that he as a US citizen and member of the clergy is somehow immune?
I believe the point to all of this is that the pastor was NOT crossing the border. He was inside the US and was stopped by the border patrol not at the border but well inside the US where he has the right to demand a search warrant from any police officer wishing to search his vehicle without probable cause.
If that is true, it is the most disgusting thing i have seen in as long as i can remember.
that needs to turn into a lawsuit!
Bottom line ... this pastor had a thing about free Americans being able to travel freely within the U.S. without having to present papers or be subject to searches with no warrant or reasonable ground of suspicion.
He had had run-ins with the border patrol before at various checkpoints (see the video I linked above).
Personally, I’m more appreciative of the work of the border patrol and would have been more cooperative ... but I understand his point.
I strongly suspect that these agents had it out for him because of his prior encounters with them or their buddies ... and it would appear they fabricated a drug-sniffing dog “positive” to give them some grounds for humiliating him.
Again, this was NOT a border crossing ... it was a U.S. citizen travelling within the U.S. with no reasonable ground of suspicion to justify a search of his person or vehicle.
He wasn’t at the Border.
He was traveling from San Diego to Phoenix.
The Border Patrol is out of control. They are victimizing regular Americans and letting the illegals alone.
Hmmm. Only some agents in San Diego and Tuscon have tasers. Tasers are not yet an issued item.
Sorry but something stinks about this story.
Probable cause is that it is a border crossing zone and there is a high expectation that a given vehicle and its occupants might have crossed over from south of the border.
As an operator of a motor vehicle on public roads has already been determined to have a “diminished expectation of privacy”, and the State can and will search your vehicle pursuing reasonable state interests WITHOUT a warrant.
Near the border, at a border crossing zone; the State has a compelling interest in insuring that the vehicles that pass by are not smuggling fruit, drugs, or people from the hell hole that is our neighbor to the south.
. . . But he was driving between two U.S. cities at the time. He was not crossing the border.
This guy has a 4th amendment argument which he threw away by not answering a couple questions okay'd by legal precedence and federal law.
Three issues here.
1. Should immigration checkpoints be legal.
2. Did the dog alert? By case law, a dog is not considered a 4th amendment search.
3. Level of force used to extricate an uncompliant subject from his vehicle.
All this activity leads to a lot of paper for the BP guys. It isn't something they do just for fun.
don't like it?? - stay home with your family and stay away from the Mexican chicas.
To answer your question, I know he’s a Baptist preacher because I’ve seen his church website and multiple preaching videos of his on YouTube.
Of course, his occupation is irrelevant to this. But someone had questioned whether he was just making everything up, and I’m just saying he’s not some guy fabricating an “preacher” identity for this video.
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