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To: GladesGuru
In point of fact, the Church did little to nothing except transfer the pedophile priests, and the flamers in the gay seminaries were likewise known but tolerated.

First, I never denied that these incidents happened. I merely pointed out that the numbers of these incidents were exaggerated in the press to make it look like there was a Catholic Church-wide problem, when, in fact, these were relatively isolated incidents, with a very small number of priests. Second, the Church has a hierarchy. You act as if the Pope himself condoned sweeping these crimes under the rug, when it was actually the failure of the local diocese. Since then, the Church has taken steps to correct this problem.

As for the flaming queers, the decision was made a while back to allow those with homosexual tendencies to become priests, with the understanding that they would be celibate as would every other priest. I understand the reasoning behind it, but I strongly disagree with that decision. What always must be taken into account is that homosexuals are not just regular folks who like members of the same sex. They are, by definition, mentally disordered. So, it is not as if the Church was somehow duped into allowing homosexuals to become priests and only discovered it once the molestations started. I hope steps are taken to correct that mistake also.

Finally, the stopped clock rule aside, if you find yourself agreeing with Oliphant on anything, you should stop, take a deep breath, and ask yourself if this is really something you should buy into.
87 posted on 04/16/2009 11:27:29 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: fr_freak

“You act as if the Pope himself condoned sweeping these crimes under the rug, when it was actually the failure of the local diocese.”

Actually,the files on the problem priests went at least as high as the arch bishops. That came from a friend who has access to the Vatican archives, where he does his theological research.

Count on the problem being known at “the highest level” of the Church. The previous sentence contains valid data, bank on it.

“homosexuals are not just regular folks who like members of the same sex. They are, by definition, mentally disordered.”

By decision of the American Psychology/Psychiatry community, “queers” are now normal. And their ranks of rank lawyers are ready, willing, and eager to sue you if you disagree. Under Obamunism, even discussions such as this one will be illegal.

“So, it is not as if the Church was somehow duped into allowing homosexuals to become priests and only discovered it once the molestations started.”

Your lines, not mine. They contain the admission that the Church knew about the homosexuals, accepted them, and covered up for them.

I wondered if it was just a case of the “Queer Qrowd” gravitating towards an accepting social refuge, or whether the Church had been so infiltrated by Gramscian style commies that the damage had been deliberate.


88 posted on 04/17/2009 5:36:41 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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