Skip to comments.How Europe Escaped Speaking Arabic
Posted on 04/18/2009 5:41:01 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan
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Good Post! The way the Western World deals with Islam these days brings to mind Cleopatra and the asp.
Today, Mohammedans consider Spain theirs just much as Mexicans look at western U.S.A. as theirs.
Looks like the Mexicans are doing a little better at taking back their territory in America than the Islams in Spain.
Islam and Sharia Law is the Mark of the Beast.
bookmark for later.
Print this one out and it’s an ink cartridge.
Battle of Tours (a picture is worth a thousand words)
On October 10, 732 Muslim forces under Abd-al-Rahman advanced north from al-Andalus (Spain) and were defeated by Charles Martel (grandfather of Charlemagne) at the Battle of Tours. Most (not all) historians agree that the significance of the battle for Western history cannot be diminished:
A victorious line of march had been prolonged above a thousand miles from the rock of Gibraltar to the banks of the Loire; the repetition of an equal space would have carried the Saracens to the confines of Poland and the Highlands of Scotland; the Rhine is not more impassable than the Nile or Euphrates, and the Arabian fleet might have sailed without a naval combat into the mouth of the Thames. Perhaps the interpretation of the Koran would now be taught in the schools of Oxford, and her pulpits might demonstrate to a circumcised people the sanctity and truth of the revelation of Mahomet.--GibbonRead the rest here.
If an angel of light (satan) was to plot the destruction of his nemesis (jesus), he would need to garner a following on earth that is ready, willing, and able to destroy all traces and references to the existence of christ.
The destruction of the truth of christ's divinity is all that is needed to destroy christ's church.
Great article and subject: http://www.thetrumpet.com/?q=4526.2791.0.0
Brad McDonald wrote:
Today, the history of the Battle of Tours-Poitiers has, for the most part, been buried under masses of revisionist, politically correct, multicultural gibberish. Muslim imperialism is a taboo subject ignored by nearly everybody for fear of being ostracized, prosecuted, stabbed or bombedor worse, igniting a global wave of riots on the Muslim street. This spirit of appeasement and non-judgmentalism, and willing ignorance of history, is preventing Westerners from analyzing the true nature of the crisis posed by Muslim ambition.
Too few are prepared to consider the fundamental forces at play in the Muslim-related crises occurring in Europe, such as last weeks brutal riots in Paris; or the Danish cartoon crisis; or the multiple terrorist plots that have been foiled across Europe; or the emergence of sharia suburbs in European cities; or the anti-European, anti-Christian vitriol spewing from the mouths of Muslim preachers in Europe, even the moderate ones; or the network of Islamic radicals stretching from Bosnia to Britain, Spain to Germany; or the rapid construction of hundreds of minarets across the European skyline, indicative of a swelling Muslim tide.
Troubles plague the relationship between European Muslims and their host nations, but few Europeans comprehend the magnitude of the crisis because they fail to look to history. This is alarming because the forces that made the Battle of Tours-Poitiers inevitable have been resurrected. The major difference is that today those forces run deeper and more intensely than they did in a.d. 732!
King John Sobieski saved Vienna from being captured in 1683. In return, the Austrians later took part in two of the three partitions of Poland.
Muslim bloodlust, duplicity, and love of torture of enemies is nothing new. The savagery of the Muslim hordes, as well as what was required to repel them, is a history lost to most today.
In the days of messengers and notes, it is a thing to behold how armies and navies could be raised, transported and deployed by various nation-states against a common enemy.
The Muslim enenmy has a different face, but the heart remains the same: death to Christians and Jews, and conquest of their lands and wealth for Allah.
Throughout history, Muslims have only understood and respected only one thing: overwhelming brute force applied in their direction.
After 1400 years, the West should have this message engraved in its heart. The aim of the Muslims has not changed.
Ann Coulter was right: we need to invade their lands, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.
But no leader in the West has the will to do so.
Good find. Thank you.
Not "all" of Spain.
The old Celtic region of Asturias, in the cold, wet and green land to the north of the Cantabrian Mountains was the last region to fall to the Romans during the reign of Augustus while the rest of Spain to the south had come under Roman control at the end of the Second Punic War. Asturias was never conquered by the Muslims who left it as not being worth the bother after their defeat at Covadonga by Pelagius of Asturias (Pelayo).
From Asturias, the remaining Christians then quickly reconquered Galicia and then the reconquest spread south over the next 700 years. Thus, the old Asturian saying:
"Asturias es España y lo demás tierra reconquistada." (Asturias is Spain. Everything else is merely reconquered territory.)
Don’t forget the unsuccessful Arab sieges of Constantinople in AD 683 and 717 that were probably just as decisive as the Battle of Tours, if not more so, in keeping the Arabs out of Europe.
***..and even more scarce was the will to fight for survival.***
Sounds like Europe today.
Just wait until these effers get their hands on nukes. Then the real intimidation and war of nerves will begin. By effers I mean Iran and the fundamentalists in Pakistan
Islam has been in eclipse for hundreds of years due to European military superiority due to superior European science and learning and technology. Unfortunately nukes will equalize the situation/ Pakistan has 100 nukes and if/when the crazies take over will they sell them to freelance Jihadist terrorists?
It impresses me how this over-riding historical fact obviously applies to the issue of Israel, and how everyone studiously ignores it in their ludicrous "peace process" and the incessant drivel about a "two state" solution. Moslems would do to Spain what they do to Israel, if they could.
Yes. If anything, divisions in the West at the time of the Battle of Vienna were even worse than this article indicates. It was left to the Poles to save Vienna, because the Emperor was off to the West, fighting against an invasion by the King of France. And the various Protestant countries such as England considered that this whole affair was none of their business.
Exactly it's the only thing that clamps down on their hyper aggressive ADD
This wolf pack religion only respects the alpha dog
I'm actually not worried about Islam taking the West over.
Islam is chiefly a danger for two reasons:
1) It DOES have many members who have a penchant for committing acts of violence against "infidels", and who therefore constitute a physical threat to those around them.
2) Islam has a way of pushing the limits with decadent Westerners such that I fear that, especially in Europe, eventually something will snap - and that snap will occur when the Europeans go nuts and start rounding up Muslims and putting them in concentration camps. It's not as if Europe is without precedent in that regard.
I do not believe that Islam is an actual existential threat to the West, however. I do not fear that Islam is just one step away from conquering us (though not for the lack of trying). Far from viewing Islam as a dynamic, forward-moving ideology, I view Islam as regressive, static, and shrinking. Islam has been on the recession for centuries. The West still - to this day - continues to possess increasingly more real power - in military, cultural, and economic term - than the Muslim world does.
Islam has lost, since it's apex, the Iberian peninsula, much of the Asian steppe, most of the Balkans, 90% of the Indian subcontinent, Sicily and Malta, half of Cyprus, Israel, and is losing adherents to Christianity at an ever-accelerating rate in Africa.
Islam is not an existential threat to us. It is merely an annoyance, a cornered, degraded civilisation with a penchant for lashing out in violent, yet ultimately ineffectual, ways.
Every year, on the anniversary of the Battle of Vienna, I e-mail people to remind them of the significance of the day — and why it’s important for them to remember this particular piece of history.
It impresses me how this over-riding historical fact obviously applies to the issue of Israel, and how everyone studiously ignores it in their ludicrous "peace process"
Since when do our idiot politicians study history? They are too busy in the DC social whirl which is intoxicating and inflates their egos
Yes the Muslims are obsessed with re-conquering all territory lost such as Spain and Israel but Jihad means Jihad doesn't end until the whole world is Muslim. This is the Muslim version of peace
Don’t forget Vlad Dracul:
From one of the articles:
“Death by impalement was slow and painful. Victims sometimes endured for hours or days. Dracula often had the stakes arranged in various geometric patterns. The most common pattern was a ring of concentric circles in the outskirts of a city that was his target. The height of the spear indicated the rank of the victim. The decaying corpses were often left up for months. It was once reported that an invading Turkish army turned back in fright when it encountered thousands of rotting corpses impaled on the banks of the Danube. In 1461 Mohammed II, the conqueror of Constantinople, a man not noted for his squeamishness, returned to Constantinople after being sickened by the sight of twenty thousand impaled corpses outside of Dracula’s capital of Tirgoviste.”
I guess those people that jumped flaming out of the WTC were just ‘annoyed’ at this little irritation.
Most informative article. Is the actress Leelee Sobieski a descendant of the King of Poland, I wonder.
The idea is they would be organized such that one kingdom was kept in reserve as a place of safety while the other two pushed into Moslem (and other Christian) lands in a hammer and tong rhythm.
Turned out they didn't really need to keep a kingdom in reserve. Carvajal was discarded as a kingdom in the first generation after the initial landing.
BTW, took King San Cho Noe I (King Sancho I) just a few weeks to totally bowl over the locals in Galicia, et al. They simply didn't have the technology to fight anyone.
Carvajal lived on as an order in France to which a French Knight who'd fought the Moors would be appointed by the King of France. It's symbol is a large red bull with big horns (or so I've had 'splained to me).
She has stated that her “...great great granduncle” was John III Sobieski, an elected king of Poland who saved Europe with the Polish army in 1683 to lift the siege of Vienna from Ottoman Turks. No proof of her claim has ever been presented.
The Romanovs definitely did some damage eh!
BTW, most posters on this thread have such a Western European bias they appear to have no idea what was going on in what became Russia!
You mean the Tatars (Tamerlane), Azerbaijan, the various ‘stans’ on the outskits of Russian borders, etc? Uzbek, Kazakh, Turkmen...
And yes, the Romanovs did quite a bit....
Then it was cleared of its people.
Unlike the Chechnyans, they didn't come back!
Don't be an emotionalistic, unthinking animal, okay?
9-11 didn't deliver the United States to Islam. 9-11 just pissed us off so that we smacked a good part of Islam around like it was a red-headed stepchild.
Like I said, Islam is not an existential threat. It's an annoyance which is ultimately, despite its best efforts, unable to do anything more than prick us here or there. Islam will not, and cannot, conquer us.
They haven’t escaped yet!
Thread of the day!
It’s not all our fault though. The climate disaster that precipitated the Dark Ages in 535 AD created enough of a problem in China that civil government was effectively nonexistent for the next 300 years. Accordingly, whatever was going on in the Chinese West was not recorded all that well, nor did it “make the news”, that sort of thing simply not existing.
I’d argue more so. Not to minimize the importance of Tours, but the threat from the East was much more dire. If Constantinople had fallen, Eastern and much of Central Europe would’ve lain wide open for muslim conquest. Furthermore, it’d do away with the only significant Christian naval presence in the Mediterranean.
However, I see both as very important bookend victories which limited muslim gains in Europe and dashed their aura of invincibility.
While I believe that communism is a more serious threat than islam is to the U.S., I wouldn’t downplay the importance of Europe’s growing mohammedan population. Coupled with Europe’s dwindling population and the moral ambivalence of her populace, it wouldn’t be unreasonable to see Europe succumbing to islam within the next 100 or so years.
Man, now I’m depressed... :(
global jihad bump
Thanks very much for the ping, Salvation. Thanks for the post, Conservative Coulter Fan. BUMP for morning read.
/FR...but its value/life/freedom goes on and I am thankful for it.
Once again Santayana's warning is very relevant.
It doesn't look as though the civilized world is paying attention.
George Patton wrote a poem just for people just like you.
OK, you say that they have lost territory, but with asymmetrical war and Weapons of Mass destruction, it doesn't take a large number of men to wipe us out.
Just one nuke in a dozen of our major cities. They don't need huge armies. Right?