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Schumer, Gillibrand Urge Repeal Of Gun Records Policy
AP ^ | April 20, 2009 | WPTZ

Posted on 04/20/2009 8:23:35 AM PDT by Hacklehead

NEW YORK -- New York Senators Charles Schumer and Kirsten Gillibrand are calling for the repeal of federal policy requiring records of gun background checks be destroyed after 24 hours.

The Democratic lawmakers say the Tiahrt Amendment restricts police from using gun trace information.

They said such information is crucial to cracking down on illegal gun trafficking and reducing gun violence.

Schumer and Gillibrand are urging President Barack Obama to reinstate a 90-day retention period.

Obama has said he supports the repeal of the amendment.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 111th; backgroundchecks; banglist; bho44; congress; democratcongress; democrats; donttreadonme; gillibrand; guncontrol; guns; ny; obama; schumer; shallnotbeinfringed; tiahrtamendment
Looks like Kirsten Gillibrand has been rolled by Chuck on the gun issue. Repealing this law is a back door registration scheme. Soon the will keep the records for 90 days, then forever.
1 posted on 04/20/2009 8:23:35 AM PDT by Hacklehead
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To: Hacklehead

Hey Shuner...How does one reconcile being both a Jew, and a Nazi, at the same time?


2 posted on 04/20/2009 8:27:24 AM PDT by DGHoodini (God's gonna getcha!)
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To: Hacklehead

Before they can take guns, they have to know who has ‘em.


3 posted on 04/20/2009 8:28:55 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("Our flag still waves! And we shall NEVER let them tear it down!" - Alan Keyes, 4-15-09)
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To: Hacklehead

I knew this Gillibrand was full of crap. You cannot get elected to her district by being anti-gun. She sold her constituents a line of BS to get elected.

Hey Schumer, people who are buying guns illegally don’t fill out background check forms. Schmuck!


4 posted on 04/20/2009 8:32:25 AM PDT by NoKoolAidforMe (1-20-09--The Beginning of an Error..............1-20-13--Change we can look forward to)
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To: Hacklehead
Sooooooooo....what about the promise made to Americans that these records would in fact be immediately destroyed after the background checks? THAT was the compromise to mollify folks who worried that the records might later be used against citizens by the federal government later on, right?

Goes to show that these sorts of "promises" are worthless.

5 posted on 04/20/2009 8:35:14 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin is a smart missile aimed at the heart of the left!)
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To: DGHoodini
Schumer's job is to be a well paid and protected ass.

There is no sense nor consistency to anything he says ( more and more dems seem to be going this way, also ), leading one to conclude, he's told what to say and he says it.

The dems are not patriots, they are enemies.

6 posted on 04/20/2009 8:37:56 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

“Sooooooooo....what about the promise made to Americans that these records would in fact be immediately destroyed after the background checks?”

That promise was sooo 20th century. This is a new millenium dontcha know.


7 posted on 04/20/2009 8:42:11 AM PDT by Hacklehead (Liberalism is the art of taking what works, breaking it, and then blaming conservatives.)
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To: Hacklehead
If you think the NCICS destroys the records from instant background checks I got some beach front land to sell you in Arizona.

The federal government has already got their list, the Tiahardt amendment makes sure they the ONLY ONES that has got access to that list.

So, since there is a list, I say the people having access to that list is the fist step to getting rid of it. It would sure bud confirms it's existence.

8 posted on 04/20/2009 8:42:44 AM PDT by macebowman
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To: Hacklehead

This is perfectly understandable behavior, once you acknowledge that Schumer and Obama are both power crazed Communists who FEAR an armed citizenship...

An unarmed man is an enslaved subject.
An armed man is a free citizen.


9 posted on 04/20/2009 8:46:28 AM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: Hacklehead

Amazing thing about Washington. It changes political opinions quickly. Maybe Soros is helping Schumer convince Gillibrand with his poisoned money.


10 posted on 04/20/2009 8:47:26 AM PDT by ZULU (Obamanation of Desolation is President. Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam.)
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To: river rat
“An unarmed man is an enslaved subject.
An armed man is a free citizen.”

Politicians prefer unarmed peasants.

So, 24 hours to ninety days, even for people that 100% pass the background check. If this passes, anyone who thinks this information will be destroyed after 90 days are snorting the same stuff that Obama admits to snorting.

11 posted on 04/20/2009 8:53:09 AM PDT by Gabrial (Obama Lied - The Republic Died)
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To: Hacklehead
Part of the Brady Law was the introduction of Instant Check as soon as possible with the caveat that records would be destroyed at the end of the day or until the request was Approved or Denied.

I have called on NICS that had been written incorrectly and hte answer I recieved was .."Have the purchaser fill out another as we do not have records of that transaction."

Chuckie wants the records kept to trace SS#'s, if provided. It's the only real ID number included on the 4473 as there is little other information to glean from that data.

12 posted on 04/20/2009 8:53:55 AM PDT by Pistolshot (The Soap-box, The Ballot-box, The Jury-box, And The Cartridge-Box ...we are past 2 of them.)
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To: DGHoodini
How does one reconcile being both a Jew, and a Nazi, at the same time?

Well said, and absolutely true. I've called Schumer a Nazi myself.

13 posted on 04/20/2009 8:55:30 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (I long for the days when advertisers didn't constantly ask about the health of my genital organs.)
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To: Pistolshot

No offense, but they don’t need SSNs to track who has what, after you look at all the information you have to give them on those forms. They have a plethora of information to tag/track someone with even if they don’t get an SSN.


14 posted on 04/20/2009 8:59:44 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: macebowman

When it comes to gun ownership, you better believe that there are copies of the records somewhere. They may destroy the originals, to keep with the letter of the law, but only after they have been scanned in to someones computer. This gun tracability to help solve crimes is a big diaper load. Criminals don’t go to Big Bob’s Guns and bait store and plop down $500.00 for a 9mm. He can get one by stealing it from someones house or car. Duh they are criminals. This ONLY tracks firearms purchased by law abiding Americans. I swear this admin has declared war on the American taxpayer.


15 posted on 04/20/2009 9:03:43 AM PDT by Texas resident
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To: Secret Agent Man
The Social Security Act itself provided that that number never be used as an individual identifier. That was a promise FDR had to make up and down the line, to get the bill passed.

They lied, they lie, they will lie.

And yes, the only reason for registration is precisely confiscation.

16 posted on 04/20/2009 9:08:02 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Hacklehead

How does keeping records of CLEAR background checks for legal purchases help crack down on ILLEGAL gun sales? It is not the legal gun owners that are the problem.

The conspiracy theorist deep inside wonders if 24 hours isn’t enough time for them to extract and archive the information and that perhaps these guys just want to know where to send the brown shirts when the time comes - ‘allegedly’...


17 posted on 04/20/2009 9:08:19 AM PDT by BlueNgold (... Feed the tree!)
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To: Hacklehead

It’s New York State. I’ll bet that if they have the records and the law expires and reverts back to 24 hrs, if it goes back to 90 days they will still have the records that were supposed to be destroyed with the 24 hr. version of the law.


18 posted on 04/20/2009 9:13:29 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (To stand up for Capitalism is to hope Teleprompter Boy fails.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
What you have to enter on the 4473.
Name:Last, first, Middle
Address, State, County, Zip.
Place of Birth.
Height
Weight
Sex
DOB
SS#(optional)
Race
Answer 12 questions.
State of Residence
Country of citizenship.

What NICS gets from the form.
Name:Last, first, Middle
Place of Birth.
Height
Weight
Sex
DOB
SS#(optional)
State of Residence
COuntry of citizenship
Type of firearm(Handgun, Long gun, Other)

Not much there.

19 posted on 04/20/2009 9:13:51 AM PDT by Pistolshot (The Soap-box, The Ballot-box, The Jury-box, And The Cartridge-Box ...we are past 2 of them.)
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To: DGHoodini
I believe the name for collaborators was a Kapo.
20 posted on 04/20/2009 9:14:15 AM PDT by JimC214
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To: JimC214

In the concentration camps, they also called the ones like Schumer, ‘Judenrats’.


21 posted on 04/20/2009 9:22:10 AM PDT by DGHoodini (God's gonna getcha!)
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To: DGHoodini
he is just doing what most of the Jews did in Germany... being a "good" German.

Ya see, they obey the German laws and show how German they are. ..... right up to where they shove them in a ditch after loading them up in cattle cars.

Schumer is just hoping that this time maybe, just maybe his family will be spared.

I've got news for you Chucky. You're a "useful" idiot and will probably be the first ones hanging from the lamp posts. Look at what awaits you...listen to what is coming your way...Useful idiots

douche bag...

22 posted on 04/20/2009 9:26:30 AM PDT by erman (Outside of a dog, a book is man's best companion. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.)
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To: erman

Related article:’The Judenrats of MoveOn.org’ (FR mentioned)

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2006/10/judenrats_moveo.html


23 posted on 04/20/2009 9:32:55 AM PDT by DGHoodini (God's gonna getcha!)
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To: JimC214

They surely did, but it wasn’t the only name that jewish collaborators were called:

http://www.masada2000.org/judenrat.html


24 posted on 04/20/2009 9:38:11 AM PDT by DGHoodini (God's gonna getcha!)
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To: erman

“I’ve got news for you Chucky. You’re a “useful” idiot and will probably be the first ones hanging from the lamp posts. Look at what awaits you...listen to what is coming your way...Useful idiots”

My favorite is where Bezmenov talks about Ted Kennedy....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9XI1BAgs9o&feature=related


25 posted on 04/20/2009 10:36:00 AM PDT by ScreamingFist (Annihilation - The result of underestimating your enemies. NRA)
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To: DGHoodini

I don’t know if it is true, but I have heard that Chuck Schumer is a Teabagger, in the other, MSNBC sense of the word.....!


26 posted on 04/20/2009 10:40:53 AM PDT by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: DGHoodini

Obamachev’s silent communist coup continues...


27 posted on 04/20/2009 10:52:04 AM PDT by y6162
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To: Hacklehead
New York Senators Charles Schumer and Kirsten Gillibrand are calling for the repeal of federal policy requiring records of gun background checks be destroyed after 24 hours.

The Democratic lawmakers say the Tiahrt Amendment restricts police from using gun trace information.

They said such information is crucial to cracking down on illegal gun trafficking and reducing gun violence.

They are BOTH lying sacks of shiite. The Tiahrt Amendment does NOT restrict LEOs in any way. What it DOES restrict is pols like Chuck the Schmuck, Bloomberg and Richie Daley in Chicago from using the data for Civil lawsuits and Political Witch Hunts of Gun Owners.

Every Law Enforcement agency - including the BATF - want the Tiahrt Amendment kept as is.(1) It's only gun grabbing politicians and the Brady Bunch who want it repealed.

(1) This is from every search result I've found.

28 posted on 04/20/2009 11:07:31 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: DGHoodini
Hey Shuner...How does one reconcile being both a Jew, and a Nazi, at the same time?

He reconciles it as easily as his sugar daddy, George Soros does...

the infowarrior

29 posted on 04/20/2009 1:56:33 PM PDT by infowarrior
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To: DGHoodini

You could ask Soros the same question.


30 posted on 04/20/2009 1:58:56 PM PDT by mrmeyer ("When brute force is on the march, compromise is the red carpet." Ayn Rand)
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To: Hacklehead
-- Repealing this law is a back door registration scheme. Soon the will keep the records for 90 days, then forever. --

The records are already kept in contravention of the law. There is no penalty for that.

31 posted on 04/20/2009 2:00:40 PM PDT by Cboldt
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What, you think they don’t already keep them forever regardless of what the law says?

What they want here is the ability to do fishing expeditions from the comfort and convenience of their own office.


32 posted on 04/20/2009 2:24:42 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Hacklehead

We have to vote Schumer out of office ASAP.
he is one of the top 10 jerks we have in office nationally IMO.


33 posted on 04/20/2009 3:32:03 PM PDT by Munz ("We're all here for you OK? It's a circle of love" Rham Emanuel)
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To: Hacklehead

NOTE: The 2nd Amendment is SELF-incorporated to all government entities at every level. It is MORE ABSOLUTE than the 1st Amendment, or any of the others, because the wording forbids not only CONGRESS, but ANYONE from infringing on it. The 1st says “Congress shall make no law...”. The 2nd say “shall NOT be infringed!” Period! End of debate!


34 posted on 04/20/2009 7:11:01 PM PDT by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: DGHoodini
“In the concentration camps, they also called the ones like Schumer, ‘Judenrats’.”

Actually they were kapos. The worst, the sickest, and the most sociopathic guys were elevated to block leaders, and Schumer and Soros are the types we are talking about.

The Judenrat was the governing body in the ghettos. Schumer would have been their too, and you are quite correct.

35 posted on 04/21/2009 10:14:32 AM PDT by Luke21
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To: Luke21

It wasn’t like the Judenrats didn’t end up in the concentration camps a few weeks or months later, and continue doing the same things there.


36 posted on 04/21/2009 10:23:06 AM PDT by DGHoodini (God's gonna getcha!)
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