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Civil War Raging in Right-Wing Blogosphere
The Washington Independent ^ | April 21, 2009 | David Weigel

Posted on 04/21/2009 1:49:26 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: mad_as_he$$

Right on!

LLS


41 posted on 04/21/2009 3:07:59 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (hussein will NEVER be my President... NEVER!!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ho-hum..., another Republican basher comes out of the closet. If it’s not RINOs it’s starry-eyed, pop star wannabes. Let me guess. This guy started squirming about the time Andrew Sullivan got his G-string twisted up.


42 posted on 04/21/2009 3:16:32 PM PDT by pallis
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Usually this kind of sudden 180 degree political shift is associated with personal issues. Like, Peggy Noonan getting her feelings hurt by the Bush administration, David Brock having his beliefs changed by his gay lifestyle, etc.

Johnson likely had some kind of personal issue with someone.


43 posted on 04/21/2009 3:23:05 PM PDT by denydenydeny ("I'm sure this goes against everything you've been taught, but right and wrong do exist"-Dr House)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Republicans are out of power, so the “independent” Johnson is trying to ingratiate himself with the left. Next he’ll be blogging about about extreme right-wing, home-grown jihadists with the help Janet Napoleano. Can’t even follow his own arguments about radical islam to their natural conclusion.


44 posted on 04/21/2009 3:39:42 PM PDT by PsyOp (Put government in charge of tire pressure, and we'll soon have a shortage of air. - PsyOp.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
LGF let the media spotlight go to his head.....happens to people all the time,

An extreme example would be Tammy Bakker. Her husband had her as a guest on his show a few times and then it went to her head and she insisted on being on it all the time.....from there it went downhill.


45 posted on 04/21/2009 3:46:15 PM PDT by capt. norm (Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups.)
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To: rdb3

That was sweet. Thanks for the link.


46 posted on 04/21/2009 3:56:03 PM PDT by eureka! (Elections have consequences, boy howdy. *sigh*)
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To: perchprism
I used to visit LGF every day. Haven’t been there in months.

You are not missing much, lately all Charles does is rant about creationist’s conspiracies. He seems completely obsessed with the subject to the point that it’s almost a religious preoccupation for him. Baffling

47 posted on 04/21/2009 4:23:00 PM PDT by usurper (Spelling or grammatical errors in this post can be attributed to the LA City School System)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Charles side of it;

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/33440_Civil_War_Raging_in_Right-Wing_Blogosphere


48 posted on 04/21/2009 4:39:27 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: usurper

“I used to visit LGF every day. Haven’t been there in months.

You are not missing much, lately all Charles does is rant about creationist’s conspiracies.”

I think a lot of conservatives turned against him because he opposes teaching creationism in science classes.


49 posted on 04/21/2009 4:45:28 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: denydenydeny
Usually this kind of sudden 180 degree political shift...

I've been using LGF since about 9-11, and I don't see any shift at all. Just the topic emphasis on the blog. Charles doesn't play along: he is who he is. Politically I gather that he identifies himself in classic terms- Liberal, in the sense that Hayek or Madison would use. I can dig that. Since 9-11 the Community is expanding, people are doing different things, working on their own projects. It is still a reasonably free country and as far as I'm concerned people can say what they will, I don't expect to agree with them all, all of the time. Politically I consider Johnson a friend. Besides, I like his taste in music.

50 posted on 04/21/2009 4:45:35 PM PDT by Seven plus One
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To: rdb3
Those guys are good Whoa.

Thanks.

51 posted on 04/21/2009 4:50:38 PM PDT by Seven plus One
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To: pissant
"But not all self proclaimed libertarians lean to the right. Many are really liberals."

I would say that most Libertarians used to be right-leaning socially... they were just private about it... but are now left-leaning socially. Which is why I don't trust Libertarians. Jonah Goldberg coined a nice name for them... Liberaltarians. You can stick the God-hating Ayn Rand worshippers in there too.
52 posted on 04/21/2009 5:11:28 PM PDT by DesScorp
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To: armymarinemom
I used to visit LGF daily. I can't stand the constant bashing over there. Charles goes after anyone with an original thought that he can't call his own.

I am proud to be among those banned at LGF for declining to bow to Charles's particular brand of political correctness.

53 posted on 04/21/2009 5:24:47 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money -- Thatcher)
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To: PapaBear3625

Gotta love ya.


54 posted on 04/21/2009 6:19:21 PM PDT by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghan Honor Roll students.)
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To: armymarinemom

Not if my wife has anything to say about it 8-)


55 posted on 04/21/2009 6:23:33 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money -- Thatcher)
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To: martin_fierro
Corrie - Bunny
56 posted on 04/21/2009 7:01:42 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Can't get enough of my snarking? http://twitter.com/slingsandarrows)
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To: Seven plus One

I think of it in terms of a long essay William F. Buckley wrote in one of his books.

The essay was about how he was building a conservative intellectual movement when he first started National Review, and the specific context was a discussion of Murray Rothbard, who was a kind of libertarian of the time.

Buckley posited the question, Can an atheist be a part of a conservative Rightist movement? Yes, of course, on general principles, was Buckley’s answer. Buckley then asked his own follow-up question: What about an atheist who has only contempt for and open hostility toward religious believers? What about him?

And Buckley’s answer was, of course not. A person who has only contempt for the principles that animated so many of the Founders, and, as Tocqueville observed, helped create the remarkable wealth that defined America almost from the beginning—that kind of person has excluded himself from our movement.

And that’s what I think about Charles Johnson.

Or, to put in another way: Yes, I am not totally comfortable posting on the same board as people who actually believe that the earth is 6000 years old. But I find such people infinitely less threatening to my life than people who believe that the purpose of government is to redistribute wealth to make things more “fair.” That is an INFINITELY more dangerous idea that anything that any “fundie” has ever said, anywhere, anytime.

And that’s why Charles Johnson hisses me off. He acts like fundamentalist Christians are as threatening to his life as socialism (or for that matter, fundamentalist Islam). And that is a big ****ing lie.


57 posted on 04/21/2009 7:11:17 PM PDT by denydenydeny ("I'm sure this goes against everything you've been taught, but right and wrong do exist"-Dr House)
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To: denydenydeny
His particular jihad on the creationist/intelligent design folks really bugs me. Not so much as that I'm offended as that I'm bored. I'll log on and scroll right through his rather long-winded expositions. I do not consider LGF as part of the conservative community, but I don't think there's such a thing as a "left-libertarian" either. The terms are mutually exclusive. I am a Republican, I haven't been all that observant a Christian. I am not a "non-believer". Johnson is no Buckley, but neither do I detect any hostility toward any of the Christian principles that are the basis of our culture.

His beef, as far as I can stand to read, seems to be with those who wish to base legislation on religious doctrine. And there are some other annoying things, like his hypersensitvity to criticism, and his tendency to take any obscure critic all too seriously. I cannot then, take Charles all that seriously.

The threads on LGF tend to fill up real quickly to 1000 posts or more, but it's almost all idle chit-chat and pithy one-liners. And lots of agreement with Charles.

Blogs are voluntary: Charles has only as much influence as the group that keeps coming back. He's no big-government statist, But he focuses on gripes that do bother me. But I don't see a threat, either to the Country, or to more than 30% of my sensibilities from him or his entourage. I never demanded or expected more or less of LGF than what I first saw, right after 9-11. obama and the continuing culture rot that invented him are way worse.

This will be only the 58th post on this thread. The FR- LGF crossover doesnt seem that large.

58 posted on 04/21/2009 9:40:32 PM PDT by Seven plus One
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To: Seven plus One

Hat tip to you, Sir.


59 posted on 04/22/2009 8:11:13 AM PDT by Madistan ((This space for rent))
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To: pissant

Johnson is a libertarian!???? Where did you get that? LOL is right! I don’t even think that Johnson would claim that! I believe that he was a Democrat before he founded LGF. He absolutely despises Ron Paul with a passion. Don’t associate that statist Wilsonian with us!


60 posted on 04/22/2009 8:29:58 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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