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Ayn Rand was an atheist...does that mean she wasn't a conservative?
FR | 4-23-09 | Bob J

Posted on 04/23/2009 8:15:13 AM PDT by Bob J

We've been having a discussion on what makes one a conservative on another thread here.

But I thought I would also get FReeper opinions on this question because it goes to core of the issue.


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1 posted on 04/23/2009 8:15:13 AM PDT by Bob J
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I wouldn’t describe Ayn Rand as a “conservative” in the American political sense. She is best described as an “objectivist”. She’s probably much closer to a libertarian than a conservative. However, her views on economics and freedom mirror modern day conservatives very closely.


2 posted on 04/23/2009 8:18:45 AM PDT by St. Louis Conservative
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She could be a conservative, just not a religious conservative. Must we all fit into one shape size box?


3 posted on 04/23/2009 8:19:17 AM PDT by deannadurbin
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To: Bob J

Check this out:

http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/013032.html


4 posted on 04/23/2009 8:19:50 AM PDT by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (REALLY & TRULY updated!).)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

So would you call her a conservative or not? Pretty much a yes or no question.


5 posted on 04/23/2009 8:20:16 AM PDT by Bob J ("For every 1000 hacking at the branches of evil, one strikes at it's root.")
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Ayn Rand was an atheist...does that mean she wasn't a conservative?

No, of course not -- despite William F. Buckley's attempts to the contrary. She believed in the liberty of the individual. That should be the overarching requirement for consideration as a conservative. IMHO.

6 posted on 04/23/2009 8:20:16 AM PDT by BfloGuy (It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we can expect . . .)
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Ayn Rand was very much a libertarian.

Go to youtube and search Ayn Rand for some great interviews.

.....Bob


7 posted on 04/23/2009 8:20:31 AM PDT by Lokibob (When handed lemons...Refuse to sign for them. Life's lemons can't be delivered without a signature.)
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To: Bob J

Ayn Rand had no use for conservatives and would have been insulted if you called her one. She considered herself an Objectivist, which is a far cry from a conservative.


8 posted on 04/23/2009 8:20:55 AM PDT by CharacterCounts (November 4, 2008 - the day America drank the Kool-Aid)
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Rand DID have a sense of the “moral” and the “immoral” and she came to correct conclusions on many issues.

Rand wrote in another time, where the economic liberals, the socialists, the communists, were on the march.

Rand says little or nothing about gay marriage, abortion, euthanasia, prayer in schools or any other religious issues, and she is absolutely correct in her portrayal of the moral degeneracy of socialism.

That is good enough for me, but I do pray that God gave her a chance to know the Truth, on the religious issues as well.


9 posted on 04/23/2009 8:21:03 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: deannadurbin

Many people have a “box” contructed of their own views and if you don’t fit in it you are not a conservative in their book.


10 posted on 04/23/2009 8:21:12 AM PDT by Bob J ("For every 1000 hacking at the branches of evil, one strikes at it's root.")
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Ayn Rand was a literal whore. She'd bed anything male and drank up a storm.

ALL Ayn was concerned about was money. Money was her god.

If you think money alone is the root of our problem you are as silly as Ayn Rand. Social morality was nothing she had any time for since she was an EXTREME social liberal. I would hope that some people have matured beyond this narcissistic, self centered view.

11 posted on 04/23/2009 8:21:41 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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Among authors and philosophers, Ayn Rand is noteworthy for her atheism and uncompromising opposition to religion. Unlike many non-believers who see utilitarian value to religion, Rand is somewhat unique in seeing (with minor exceptions) virtually no value to religion.LINK:http://www.solohq.org/Articles/Parille/Ayn_Rand,_Objectivism,_and_Religion_(Part_1_of_4).shtml


12 posted on 04/23/2009 8:21:52 AM PDT by org.whodat (Auto unions bad: Machinists union good=Hypocrisy)
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We’ll never win elections again though if we are too narrow and fragmented.


13 posted on 04/23/2009 8:22:15 AM PDT by deannadurbin
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I wouldn’t call her a conservative, at all.

Conservatism has 3 planks: national security, shared values, and fiscal discipline. I have taken lately to adding a 4th out of current necessity: protection of free markets.

Rand was probably the most purely consistent libertarian that I’ve ever read. Atlas Shrugged is amazingly on point to this current Administration. Barney Frank starring as Wesley Mouch. . .

I respect Rand’s fiscal viewpoint of government. I wish more Republicans had a similar viewpoint. That’s not the same as her being a Conservative.


14 posted on 04/23/2009 8:22:29 AM PDT by ziravan (FReeper for Congress: www.TimothyDelasandro.com)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

She believed in Government staying out of business “laisse fare” mentality. The little I know about her seemed to be for Capitalism and against Socialism/Communism.

Does not sound like she believed in God...DUH!


15 posted on 04/23/2009 8:22:43 AM PDT by mikelets456
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To: Bob J

It depends on your definition of:

conservative
liberal
objectivist
libertarian
progressive

I’m sure John McCain’s definitions diverge from mine.


16 posted on 04/23/2009 8:22:43 AM PDT by Poser (Typed on my Woot-off $169 Asus Web Book (Linux of course))
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Rand based her philosophy on pure logic. She absolutely disregarded anything remotely mystical or faith based from her philosophy. She’s no more a “conservative” than Aristotle.


17 posted on 04/23/2009 8:23:38 AM PDT by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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It depends on if she is for deficit ‘free’ trade deals and being world’s super nation builder.


18 posted on 04/23/2009 8:24:18 AM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: BfloGuy
She believed in the liberty of the individual.

Correct. However, she believed liberty was secondary to freedom. This is the very reason she criticized Libertarians.

19 posted on 04/23/2009 8:25:20 AM PDT by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: ziravan

“shared values”

What are those?


20 posted on 04/23/2009 8:26:30 AM PDT by Bob J ("For every 1000 hacking at the branches of evil, one strikes at it's root.")
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