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To: Kansas58; editor-surveyor; yazoo
More Incidents of Denying Islamist Terrorism

Note that one of the incidents on this list involves OK authorities denying an Islamic connection to a crime where there obviously is one.

OK, yazoo, I posted without checking my facts and you called me on it. Good for you.

But now I have read up on Nichols and he does claim there were others involved. I guess you could say that a lot of unsubstantiated claims are made in prison but I can't help thinking that the Clinton and Bush administrations didn't have much interest in finding out if that particular claim is true.

Do you have any theories?

129 posted on 04/24/2009 4:29:38 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: samtheman
Nichols and he does claim there were others involved.

I believe the claim involved members of the Aryan Republican Army/Midwest Bank Robbers. They were also spent time at Elohim City.

The letter is shown here. From the link:

In his letter, Nichols alleged that gun dealer Roger Moore -- who provided key testimony for the prosecution in Nichols' 1997 conspiracy trial -- was an FBI "provocateur" who sold explosives to Timothy McVeigh, who was executed in 2001 as primary perpetrator of the April 19, 1995 bombing that killed 168.

In a crucial new allegation, however, Nichols wrote to Trentadue that Moore also sold bomb-making material to a group of white supremacist bank robbers long suspected of playing a role in the bombing -- the Midwest Bank Robbers, also known as the Aryan Republican Army.

I think these connections, if true, can explain a lot of how the bomb was made and other parts of a conspiracy. I don't think you need an Islamist connection for this aspect.

If an Islamist connection could be made to these folks, then.. maybe.

134 posted on 04/24/2009 3:08:25 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: samtheman

“Do you have any theories?”

I don’t need theories since the facts speak for themselves. Hundreds of people were involved in the investigation and all information they collected was put together and available to any one of the investigators. To have a conspiracy to hide evidence of foreign involvement would have required the cooperation by all of these people to cover up and keep silent about what they knew. Now, you can believe that all of these people were immoral scum who were willing to hide the truth, but I don’t. And I certainly would not accept anything Nichols said as anything more than the rantings of a lunatic out to keep himself out of the gallows.

Within a year after Korea Flight 007 was shot down over Soviet airspace many books were written which posed many questions and concluded that there was some conspiracy in the highest levels of the USG to cover up what 007 was doing over Soviet airspace. The books posed hundreds of questions that seemed to point to a plot hatched by the USG to use commercial aircraft to spy on the Soviets. Well, when the soviet union fell we found out the truth. The Russians knew it was just a plane that had strayed over their territory and because of poor command and control they shot it down. They dreamed up the spy plane story to cover their ass and they got lots of westerners to swallow the story. The original and simple truth was the reality.

I think it is the same with the OKC bombing. A few nuts decided they could change the direction of the government by killing a lot of people. They made a simple but very large bomb (we have records of their fertilizer purchases), they created a simple detonation device, and because of poor security at the Federal building were able to park it in front and detonate it. No matter how much they investigated they could find absolutely no foreign involvement and they ended up putting two people in jail and executing the third.


136 posted on 04/25/2009 7:56:50 AM PDT by yazoo (was)
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