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Possibility of Bio-Terrorism in Swine Flu Outbreak
April 25, 2007 | freedomfighter1013

Posted on 04/25/2009 5:51:39 AM PDT by FreedomFighter1013

In a discussion this morning with a cell biologist and medical doctor working at Johns Hopkins, my friend thought this 4-part flu combination is highly unusual and looks like it could be man-made. Especially because it has an avian strain. My doctor friend (he's Taiwanese) explained that in Asia, it's common for a avian-swine-human flu to happen naturally, but this virus first showed up in Mexico, where pigs and ducks are not usually raised together. Also, recombination of more than 2-different flu viruses is extremely rare. I'm just repeating what he said as an expert in the field. He says the CDC needs to explain if there is a possibility that we are under a bio-weapon attack.

From CDC via Wikipedia: Anne Schuchat, director of CDC's National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said that the American cases were found to be made up of genetic elements from four different flu viruses -- North American swine influenza, North American avian influenza, human influenza A virus subtype H1N1, and swine influenza virus typically found in Asia and Europe. For two cases a complete genome sequence had been obtained. She said that the virus was resistant to amantadine and rimantadine, but susceptible to oseltamivir (Tamiflu) and zanamivir (Relenza).[22][23][24] Preliminary genetic characterization found that the hemagglutinin (HA) gene was similar to that of swine flu viruses present in U.S. pigs since 1999, but the neuraminidase (NA) and matrix protein (M) genes resembled versions present in European swine flu isolates. Viruses with this genetic makeup had not previously been found to be circulating in humans or pigs, but there is no formal national surveillance system to determine what viruses are circulating in pigs in the U.S.[25] The seasonal influenza strain H1N1 vaccine is thought to be unlikely to provide protection.[26]


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bioterrorism; chat; flu; mexican; mexicanflu; notbreakingnews; outbreak; speculation; swine; swineflu; tm; virus
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181 posted on 04/25/2009 9:28:58 AM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: FreedomFighter1013

My friend ate some pork sausage yesterday and in a couple of hours broke into a cold sweat and started feeling sick. I almost said the brand name, but thought I’d better not.


182 posted on 04/25/2009 9:29:55 AM PDT by ichabod1 (I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet (GOP Poet))
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To: kimmie7

Just exercising their Second Amendment rights.


183 posted on 04/25/2009 9:29:56 AM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: BellStar
Excellent observation: I have a feeling fears of a pandemic are being greatly exaggerated to get our attention off the egregious activity being done to us by our Leftist Government and nationalized financial institutions that are hell bent on robbing us of our Liberties and our money. May 1st the Communist holiday will have the streets full of illegal’s protesting for instant citizenship and communism for the USA, the country they are attempting to steal.
184 posted on 04/25/2009 9:30:21 AM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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To: cajungirl

I work as a resident doctor in one of the biggest hospitals in Mexico City and sadly, the situation is far from “under control”. As a doctor, I realise that the media does not report the truth. Authorities distributed vaccines among all the medical personnel with no results, because two of my partners who worked in this hospital (interns) were killed by this new virus in less than six days even though they were vaccinated as all of us were. The official number of deaths is 20, nevertheless, the true number of victims are more than 200. I understand that we must avoid to panic, but telling the truth it might be better now to prevent and avoid more deaths.

Yeny Gregorio Dávila, Mexico City

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/8018428.stm


185 posted on 04/25/2009 9:30:53 AM PDT by Raebie (~Never go down with a loaded gun~)
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To: grey_whiskers
Stealth bomber strikes on the U.N. building.

Lets just use pitchforks for this one!

186 posted on 04/25/2009 9:31:40 AM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: HospiceNurse

unless you were targeting it at a bunch of third worlders who wouldn’t have access to it. And how much tamiflu do we have on hand? It’s the virulence that has me a bit concerned.


187 posted on 04/25/2009 9:31:48 AM PDT by ichabod1 (I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet (GOP Poet))
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To: 3catsanadog

Interesting thing is that immunosuppressed people don’t get the cytokine storms that kill you so fast with flu,,I am immunosuppressed so it would kill me slower,,Heh heh. And Aids people are immunosuppressed so probably wouldn’t get those storms either.

Your own immune response is a killer or at least in the 1918 epidemic where people died in a day. Now some died later of pneumonia and complications after weeks sometimes. And they relapsed.

I hate the flu.


188 posted on 04/25/2009 9:31:57 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: WestCoastGal

The coworker should probably go get checked out, given the circumstances.


189 posted on 04/25/2009 9:32:23 AM PDT by ichabod1 (I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet (GOP Poet))
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To: Sherman Logan
Give her $10M, 10000 SF of working space, a few competent assistants and she could develop an efficient bio-weapon in a few months.

I hope she's not planning to rent in MY neighborhood!!!

190 posted on 04/25/2009 9:33:01 AM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: 3catsanadog

and among the least effectively treated by it

same with transplant patients, cancer sufferers, anyone with suppressed immune system

imagine healthy people dying while the govt orders rationed meds to be given to unlikely survivors in the name of PC

it’s a nightmare

I just ordered a batch of vitamins and herbals (Vit D, resveratrol, curcumin, etc) based on quick research and hope I can turn my home into a 6 month quarantine zone if required


191 posted on 04/25/2009 9:34:54 AM PDT by silverleaf (We live in interesting times: now the entire IRS works for a tax evader)
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To: BagCamAddict

Dang,,excellent post and I hadn’t thought of that. Our case load is way too low to know the mortality.

A mortality of 6 percent is damned high.

Wonder if they tested O for the virus,,wonder if he was exposed on purpose. Hah!


192 posted on 04/25/2009 9:36:30 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: 1000 silverlings
... if you are a big pharmaceutical company with huge stores of tamiflu you need to get rid of and make some profit, why, how convenient ...

Excuse me, but that's a load of liberal-think horsesh*t and I don't consider people who assume this kind of wickedness in "big bad greedy business people" as my "conservative" fellows in ANY WAY. Do you know any of these people in pharmaceuticals? Do you know their families, have you ever spoken with them, and is it what YOU would do if YOU were the person "in power" at a pharmaceutical company? Where the hell do YOU get off accusing these people of mass murder for profit? You are a creepy son of a bitch is what you are.

Take your ugly way of thinking and GO AWAY from calling yourself anything close to "conservative," you dope.

193 posted on 04/25/2009 9:36:57 AM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Ever hear the term, “When Pigs Fly”?

ROFL ;) Well done!

194 posted on 04/25/2009 9:38:07 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Finny

You sell pharmaceuticals dont you, lol


195 posted on 04/25/2009 9:38:10 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: romanesq

OK, read the book The Stand by Steven King, or Outbreak by Michael Crichton, or The Andromeda Strain by Crichton, for that matter. All very good reads and will give you a good layman’s education as to what viruses are and can do.


196 posted on 04/25/2009 9:38:51 AM PDT by ichabod1 (I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet (GOP Poet))
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To: Munz

“they would not have spent the time to make something that is treatable by tamaflu”

...unless they and their people had tamaflu stockpiled and ready...


197 posted on 04/25/2009 9:38:59 AM PDT by helpfulresearcher (Bipartisanship: The PC Term for Collaboration with the Enemy)
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To: Raebie

any comments yet from our own TOTUS zerO?

His CDC director sounds like chicken little.

If it is bad, watch for San Fran Nan to order the air force to evacuate her and her extended family


198 posted on 04/25/2009 9:39:42 AM PDT by silverleaf (We live in interesting times: now the entire IRS works for a tax evader)
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To: April Lexington
Nope. Great person. Would never do such a thing. But my point is that she could.

And there are lots of other people out there with her skills. Not all of them are immune to money, threats or ideological conviction.

199 posted on 04/25/2009 9:39:46 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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To: 1000 silverlings
tamiflu

One of the listed side-effects of Tamiflu is "suicide." Not depression or negative thoughts or lack of energy.

"Suicide."

200 posted on 04/25/2009 9:40:28 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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