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In GOP base, a 'rebellion brewing'
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Posted on 04/26/2009 6:03:07 AM PDT by Sub-Driver

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To: The Great RJ

Thank you. You are correct. Everyone else is jumping to conclusions without reading the article.

101 posted on 04/26/2009 4:36:13 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma (When the righteous rule, the people rejoice; when the wicked rule the people mourn. Proverbs 29;2)
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To: Sub-Driver
and that consensus is emerging among GOP elites that the party needs to move away from discordant social issues.

The "party elites" wish those of us who are Christians to stop believing what God says, and blindly follow them?

No thanks.

We know the Democrats are Marxist tyrants. It is the wolf in sheep's clothing Republican who is also dangerous.

102 posted on 04/26/2009 5:01:15 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: YankeeReb
"In other words the GOP has learned NOTHING."

This is why I've stopped giving money to the party. When the leadership and operation of the GOP actually is more like real GOP members... then I'll start sending checks again.
103 posted on 04/26/2009 5:21:04 PM PDT by DesScorp
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To: lentulusgracchus

Sadly they don’t get it. Our “experts” don’t even know history and when they do they present it with extreme bias.

104 posted on 04/26/2009 6:18:07 PM PDT by Maelstorm (It is better to to get outside of the box than to just think outside of it.)
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To: Jim Noble

On top of that, the nation elected a president whose stated position is against gay marriage.

105 posted on 04/26/2009 6:53:32 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (We're definitely in the Rise of the Empire era, but is Obama Valorum or Palpatine?)
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To: Mr. Silverback
On top of that, the nation elected a president whose stated position is against gay marriage.

But everyone knew he was lying.

106 posted on 04/26/2009 7:03:41 PM PDT by Jim Noble (They are willing to kill for socialism...but not to die for it.)
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To: Sub-Driver; All
"the party needs to move away from discordant social issues."
I wonder...exactly which social issues are not discordant!
107 posted on 04/26/2009 7:32:20 PM PDT by MountainFlower (There but by the grace of God go I.)
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To: Sub-Driver; wagglebee;; MHGinTN; Mr. Silverback; Coleus; EternalVigilance; All
pro-life ping, please!

"There used to be muscular and vocal disagreement in the party on our pro-life plank," he recalled. "That has largely been resolved. Nobody raises the issue of changing the pro-life plank."

What a piece of CRAP! IF that plank had been resolved, McCain and the other dips who claimed to be Republican but did NOT hold to being solidly PRO-LIFE, would NOT have been in the Republican Party! Not only were they allowed in the party...they RAN AS CANDIDATES for the party!! Is everyone so BLIND that they do not see this?!

108 posted on 04/26/2009 7:36:34 PM PDT by MountainFlower (There but by the grace of God go I.)
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To: Sub-Driver; EternalVigilance; All
"Liberal Republican groups like the Main Street Republican Partnership and the Republican Majority for Choice remain essentially irrelevant, and even the main gay GOP group, the Log Cabin Republicans, is fending off a challenge from a more conservative gay splinter faction."

This is in the R party?! And they call themselves Republican??!! conservative??!! WHICH plank was that??!!! Perhaps they came to the WRONG party and took the plank with them?!

109 posted on 04/26/2009 7:44:56 PM PDT by MountainFlower (There but by the grace of God go I.)
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To: thecabal

And what happens to conservatives in the meantime?

110 posted on 04/26/2009 9:24:35 PM PDT by DangerZone (Union now, Union forever - Country first , Politics second)
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To: Clintonfatigued

111 posted on 04/27/2009 2:18:39 AM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: Diggity
Moral issues are taught in the home and church and are not the domain of government or to be concerned with by politicians.

The ONLY issues we have that we need to address is runaway socialism, government spending, immigration and protecting the country.

Leave what belongs to God to God.


I agree that moral issues should be taught in the home and church. As a Catholic, I sure don't want my kid taught Presbyterian, Baptist, Pentecostal, Mormon, Jewish, or Muslim theology. And I'm reasonably sure that Presbyterians, Baptists, Pentecostals, Mormons, Jews, or Muslims wouldn't want their kids to be taught Catholicism in school, either (though I did learn about a local Muslim family that wanted to enroll their kids in the local Catholic school: the Muslim school was too "strict" and the public schools were too perverse...but that's a different story, I don't know if the Catholic school accepted them or not)

However, to say that moral issues should not be reflected in American cultural values and in American laws is foolish. It makes about as much sense as a Catholic politician saying that he/she is a staunch Catholic but doesn't want to push his/her Catholic values on non-Catholics (if he/she is really a staunch Catholic, he/she would recognize that abortion is murder: an issue that is pretty universally proscribed in all nations' laws)

My position is that morality should be taught in the home and church; however, that morality should be supported through its constitutional actions.

The other point is that morality is economically good, while immorality causes major structural economic problems.

For example, most systems of religion teach adherents to avoid materialism and to avoid excessive debt. In Judeo-Christian thought, debt should be forgiven after a set number of years (thus limiting the amount that would be loaned). Our lack of adherence to those principles has resulted in a staggering amount of debt and was the spur to this current economic situation -- all of those bad mortgages, due, in large part, to Congressional influence on the banking system...but also due to individuals' lust for a greater material standard of living than they had the means to support.

For example, all Christian denominations taught (up to the 1930s) that abortion was an evil and that contraception was an evil (alas, only the Catholic Church has maintained that stand -- but most Catholic adherents have likewise abandoned it). What could that have to do with economics? Look at the composite birth rate in this country and in Europe. There are some European countries that aren't even reproducing enough to maintain their population without immigration. Likewise, look at Social Security in this country -- there aren't enough younger workers in the system to pay in -- and, as a result, the system is going to suffer a catastrophic failure. Of course, there are the health care costs associated with the use of the pill and the health care costs associated with abortion (namely infertility, cancer, psychological depression, etc.)

For example, look at divorce and pre-marital sex. Judeo-Christian thought recognizes a spiritual bond that occurs between spouses and that there is a horrible break when that bond is broken through adultery or abused through pre-marital fornication. But our laws stand foursquare against these principles. What's the result?

And, then, yes...we have homosexuality and other perversions. Yes, homosexual sex is a perversion. (Perversion: A concept describing those types of human behavior that are perceived to be a serious deviation from what is considered to be orthodox or normal). See all of the above. Homosexual behavior is inherently ego-centric (as is materialism). There can be no extended family, as homosexual sex is fruitless, by definition (of course, they can adopt). It is, by its very definition, fornication (or, if one/both of the partners are legitimately married, it involves adultery).

By the way, my reaction to a homosexual is not anger, nor is it (outside of a gay pride parade type of situation) disgust; rather I feel very sorry for the person because their brain wiring is so screwed up.

And, no, I don't propose such a severe set of rules where we start inspecting individuals' bedroom behavior.

I'm not primarily concerned about private behavior. I am concerned when private perversions are taught throughout society as the norm. And when perversions are not only tacitly approved but are actively approved and encouraged through the law. And I'm concerned that "diversity" is encouraged in the workplace and in school: as long as the "diverse" behavior is not one reflecting a traditional Christian viewpoint.

And I'm especially concerned when the laws of a society reflect not only acceptance, but endorsement, of immorality. It results in a utilitarian view of the human person and tends to push society farther down the road to economic ruin.

112 posted on 04/27/2009 3:31:28 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: markomalley; Mrs. Don-o

Nail has met hammer. Excellent!

113 posted on 04/27/2009 3:48:00 AM PDT by don-o (My son, Ben - Marine Private First Class - 1/16/09 - Parris Island, SC)
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To: Jabba the Nutt
Republican moderates?
There is no organized Unicorn faction in the Repuplican Party.

I beg to differ. There are plenty of them and they are organized!

Two of MeInsane's pet projects...funded by George Soros.
Republican Main Street Partnership, where MeInsane is a long standing "elected" member.
The Reform Institute: Founded by MeInsane, who served as chairman until 2005, when he began gearing up for his FAILED presidential campaign.

Then there is:
Senate Centrist Coalition, with MeInsane as a member.
The Senate Centrist Coalition is also affiliated with
Third Way, another "moderate" think tank creating their own agenda.

International Republican Institute, chaired by MeInsane since 1992

Then of course, is the ever popular, Shadow Party.
MeInsane spoke at their convention 2 days before his speech at the Republican Convention in 2000.

114 posted on 04/27/2009 6:02:03 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: Diggity
Forget religous issues. Its has been our doom.

Ummmm, okay John, whatever you say. Thanks for siding with our enemies.

15. Capture one or both political parties of U.S.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy, promiscuity as normal, natural, healthy.

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious" crutch.

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

The Federal Observer also has these items:
Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history.

Utilize the sexes. Stress equality, take away the masculinity of men and meld the roles of the sexes as one.

Concentrate the goals of success in material not in the success of the family structure, home and church or the "core" that makes up the traditional American background. Present everything in opposites.

115 posted on 04/27/2009 6:51:20 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

I DID!!!!!!!

I was agreeing with it. ;-)

116 posted on 04/27/2009 7:02:48 AM PDT by SampleMan (Socialism enslaves you & kills your soul.)
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To: Max in Utah
Did anyone ever come up with a good explanation of how John McCain ended up with the nomination?

It was his "turn" and if he didn't get it, he would continue to destroy our nation, what was left of the republican party and our duly elected choice.

He is a vengeful troll who worked tirelessly to destroy President Bush and his administration since he lost to President Bush in the 2000 primaries.

The so-called elites and their central committees set it up to declare him the winner after he received only 25.5% of the votes in only 7 states that had voted. No party could sustain his incessant attacks if he lost the nomination again.

He was selected, not elected!

117 posted on 04/27/2009 7:06:02 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: Maelstorm

BIG BUMP for a wonderful post!

118 posted on 04/27/2009 7:20:19 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: Sub-Driver

I am struggling to understand the logic that underlies some Republicans’ thinking. 2008 was an election that was won by a party that catered to its most extreme constituents. The party championed those supporters who are so rabidly socialist/Marxist, emotional, and illogical that Al Franken may be one of their senators and the most unaccomplished and socialist member of their party was elected PRESIDENT!

And, some Republicans view this as a need to weaken their opinions on some matters. It would take a head injury for me to draw that conclusion.

By the way, one argument some Republicans are using to shift toward socialism is that the nation is undergoing an unstoppable demographic shift (toward more ignorant left-leaners I assume). But, what did those Republicans to avert that demographic shift and the lessening of education that leads to a socialist population? My recollection is that those Republicans supported such foolishness despite our warnings to them. Now they, and America, are struggling with the losses that come from such foolishness.

119 posted on 04/27/2009 7:46:00 AM PDT by iacovatx (If you must lie to recruit to your cause, you are fighting for the wrong side.)
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To: rightwingextremist1776
I'd say they are a few election cycles behind...we've been in rebellion for quite some time now.

I agree but what I also think is happening is that the moderates and even some of the more liberal republicans are beginning to catch up in terms of having their eyes opened (maybe for the very first time ever) to really see the effects of things they may have spoken of or wished might come to pass, really happening and of course it's not helping their own personal situations in any way. We tried to warn them but as always, trauma teaches the best lessons in life.

120 posted on 04/27/2009 7:52:31 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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