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FAA Memo: Feds Knew NYC Flyover Would Cause Panic
wcbstv.com ^ | 4/29/09 | Marcia Kramer

Posted on 04/29/2009 9:06:26 AM PDT by Nachum

NEW YORK (CBS) ―

An F-16 fighter jet trails a larger military aircraft over Lower Manhattan Monday, April 27, 2009, conducting a photo shoot that panicked thousands of New Yorkers who believed the city was in jeopardy for another terrorist attack.

A furious President Barack Obama ordered an internal review of Monday's low-flying photo op over the Statue of Liberty.

CBS 2 HD has discovered the feds will have plenty to question.

Federal officials knew that sending two fighter jets and a 747 from the presidential fleet to buzz ground zero and Lady Liberty might set off nightmarish fears of a 9/11 replay, but they still ordered the photo-op kept secret from the public

(Excerpt) Read more at wcbstv.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bho44; bhoairforceone; bhofaa; faa; feds; flyover; knew; memo
Flyovers cost a lot. (Over $328,000) Sombody higher up in the White House had to know. Who was it?
1 posted on 04/29/2009 9:06:26 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: SumProVita; HardStarboard; BradyLS; Ernest_at_the_Beach; dervish; Twotone; Free ThinkerNY; ...

The List, ping


2 posted on 04/29/2009 9:06:52 AM PDT by Nachum (the complete list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

Just another symptom of the entire administration being amateurs.


3 posted on 04/29/2009 9:10:01 AM PDT by ataDude (My incredulity has already turned into disillusionment and is now turning into hatred.)
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To: Nachum

Photo op? ah.

1st rule of insulting outsiderism: denial and demeaning of the abused’s authority, ie. “honey, it’s not what it looks like”.


4 posted on 04/29/2009 9:10:30 AM PDT by JudgemAll (control freaks, their world & their problem with my gun and my protecting my private party)
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To: ataDude

Given the complete incompetency that has been shown by Obummer and his entire administration in the first 100 days, this should come as no surprise to anybody. So much for what the Obummer administration thinks of New York and its citizens.


5 posted on 04/29/2009 9:11:33 AM PDT by Ev Reeman
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To: ataDude
This was no amateur mistake. Joy ride for contributors to 0? Michele on a pizza run?
6 posted on 04/29/2009 9:13:22 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: Nachum

Here’s a disturbing part of that article:

In a memo obtained by CBS 2 HD, the Federal Aviation Administration’s James Johnston said the agency was aware of “the possibility of public concern regarding DOD (Department of Defense) aircraft flying at low altitudes” in an around New York City. But they demanded total secrecy from the NYPD, the Secret Service, the FBI and even the mayor’s office and threatened federal sanctions if the secret got out.

Federal sanctions if someone said anything? Are you kidding me?!


7 posted on 04/29/2009 9:14:46 AM PDT by NeverEVERKerry
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To: Nachum

If I was in NYC and saw this happening, after I ran for my life, I would be on the phone with attorneys asking to sue the pants off of the FedGuv. Yes, I know it’s pointless and futile, but these idiots think they can get away with anything!

Obama isn’t in charge. The inmates are in charge of the asylum, and these back office people in his administration are complete dolts. Guess Obama fits right in!


8 posted on 04/29/2009 9:14:49 AM PDT by rarestia ("One man with a gun can control 100 without one." - Lenin / MOLWN LABE!)
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To: ataDude

From the “don’t call it swine” flu, to the “call it photo op” fly over, let us make sure our retarding nation and government does not have hurting here. They love us like Barney, this man behind the mask/teleprompter who is not “daddy Obama”. (sarc off)


9 posted on 04/29/2009 9:15:05 AM PDT by JudgemAll (control freaks, their world & their problem with my gun and my protecting my private party)
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To: Nachum
IMO, this entire "stunt" was performed SOLELY to determine public reaction.

The MSM has done its utmost to minimize 9/11 as a footnote in history, thereby eroding support for the War On Terror and the Bush Administration.

If folks did not panic, did not get upset, it would have been a sure sign of the public's ready complacency.

For what, I don't know, and that is what concerns me the most.

10 posted on 04/29/2009 9:15:22 AM PDT by TheWriterTX (Proud Retrosexual Wife of 15 Years)
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To: Nachum

A third of a million dollars is chump change to this crowd...they toss away **trillions** of our dollars.


11 posted on 04/29/2009 9:16:06 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: Nachum

when ‘stupid’ threatens the general population with idiot stunts like this, the terrorists have effectively won.

way to go, Obama..

Wag the 747


12 posted on 04/29/2009 9:17:11 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed.)
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To: Ev Reeman

Honest.
My first thought was of Obama.
I thought: “Effin’ a-hole.”
What a sorry state of affairs when that’s the first thing that comes to your mind...


13 posted on 04/29/2009 9:17:27 AM PDT by baltodog (R.I.P. Balto: 2001(?) - 2005)
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To: Nachum

Wasting tax payer dollars by Obama to get some footage for his permanent campaign—A-OKAY. Private individuals using private jets—greedy, rich bastards.


14 posted on 04/29/2009 9:18:21 AM PDT by beaversmom
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To: Nachum

Where’s this memo?


15 posted on 04/29/2009 9:19:42 AM PDT by TankerKC (01/20/09 = 09/10/01)
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To: Nachum

I agree with your premise and question, but in this White House, that amount of money could have come from a petty cash box. ;>)

$328,000 might be seen as pocket change should lawsuits begin to fly. Horrify my loved ones like this, and I would loose the dogs of war.


16 posted on 04/29/2009 9:20:43 AM PDT by Gator113 (I'm a PROUD RIGHT WING EXTREMIST.... Obama has failed, IMPEACH Obama NOW....)
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To: Nachum; babyfreep

Loved Babyfreep’s comment on another thread: “Scare Force One”


17 posted on 04/29/2009 9:21:13 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: Nachum

Obama said he didn’t know about the terrorizing event.

If that’s true, he’s just proven what we’ve tried to tell him.

The government in DC is too cumbersome.

Heck, officials working in the White House can’t even keep in touch with each other.

Obama and his cronies have their fingers in TOO MANY PIES.


18 posted on 04/29/2009 9:21:13 AM PDT by syriacus (Who else but a sadist with gallows humor has a 747 slowly fly at low altitude over the NY skyline?)
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To: mad_as_he$$
Michele on a pizza run?

Well, it would be interesting to know what call sign was used. If it was SAM 28000 or SAM 29000 then no first family member was aboard. If it was Executive One Foxtrot that means Michele, the mother-in-law,and/or the kids were on board

19 posted on 04/29/2009 9:23:52 AM PDT by TheCipher
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To: syriacus

The photos were taken in order to show Obama his new fiefdom...Wall Street.


20 posted on 04/29/2009 9:24:42 AM PDT by syriacus (Who else but a sadist with gallows humor has a 747 slowly fly at low altitude over the NY skyline?)
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To: Nachum

Someone posted a thread here yesterday suggesting that the fighter plane accompanying AF-1 seemed to have a red tail, and suggested that maybe it was a photo-op for a movie being made about the Tuskegee airmen—a group of black fighter pilots—in World War II. I think the director is George Lucas.

We know that Obama takes an interest in this group, and that, according to an earlier article posted here, several of them were brought to his inauguration:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2166663/posts

I don’t know whether yesterday’s thread about the Tuskegee Airmen was removed, or whether I’m just using the wrong words to look for it, but I can’t seem to find it.

The Tuskeegee Airmen were recently re-formed as a group, and they continue to use their signature of red tails on their fighters. The fighter accompanying AF-1 in those videos and photos appears to have a red tail, although it’s a bit too small in the photo to be certain.

Maybe the movie about these heroes of WW II was planning some sort of final scene showing Obama being escorted by the Redtails on some world-saving mission? That would be a great propaganda op for him.

http://www.tuskegeeairmen.org/


21 posted on 04/29/2009 9:25:36 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Nachum

Up next on the Obama terror channel: A rental truck parade in Oklahoma City.


22 posted on 04/29/2009 9:26:18 AM PDT by Spokane (Palin 2012: Change you'll be begging for...)
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To: Nachum

perhaps they’ll next do a mock suicide attack with a squadron of F-16s. head straight for the empire state building but peel away at the last moment. just an exercise, folks! :P


23 posted on 04/29/2009 9:30:24 AM PDT by rightwinggoth
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To: Nachum
Here's the photo (from the NY Post) that shows the fighter. Note what seems to be a red tail.

Maybe what we need is not a list of the passengers on Air Force One, but a list of the pilots of the accompanying fighters, or the IDs of the fighters.

24 posted on 04/29/2009 9:30:46 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: TheWriterTX

“IMO, this entire “stunt” was performed SOLELY to determine public reaction.”

Could be. Otherwise, why were these officials sworn to secrecy? It really makes no sense.


25 posted on 04/29/2009 9:32:29 AM PDT by Joann37
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To: Nachum
With trillions of dollars being tossed around, I think the spending authority for $300k is either at the level of Skippy the Intern or some typist's daughter on bring your daughter to work day.
26 posted on 04/29/2009 9:34:29 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (No free man bows to a foreign king.)
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To: TankerKC

Ask WCBSTV for the memo to be posted to the article using this form: http://wcbstv.com/formsection?fid=996668

They are asking for feedback on how you feel about the feds threatening sanctions on NY if someone spilled the beans.


27 posted on 04/29/2009 9:37:25 AM PDT by NeverEVERKerry
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To: Nachum
Hmmm. Verrrry interesting. I googled around, and I just found this:
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Re: Why is there a new flight path today - low commercial planes towards EWR #13
Newbie

Joined: 4/27 10:32 Posts: 3

So, just like you, I heard the house shake as the plane got closer. From my living room on the 5th floor, I have a clear view to the south, since there are no buildings taller than mine in that direction. The plane was making a counterclockwise circle, coming from about the Verrazano-Narrows, turning in JC, and then heading toward Newark. I lost sight of it only because of the haze but would have been able to see the full circle on a clear day. Three things got my attention right away: it was very low, it was not a commercial plane, and, of course, the fighter escort. Also, the fighter had a red tail and the plane had a white hull with blue and turquoise underbelly. That's when I realized it looked like Air Force One.

Next time the plane came around, I was ready with my binoculars. This time, I could see the seal on the right/starboard side of the plane. The plane made 3 counterclockwise circles total and hasn't been back since. This actually made me less worried because if it were a real emergency or something was wrong, more fighters would have arrived by then and they would not have let the plane circle that low and that close to the city three times.

Anyway, I have no idea why they would do that, but it was either AF1 or a 747 painted to look like it. I looked for planes or helicopters that could have been filming and didn't see any, though I see someone else has posted that it was a photo shoot.

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That is Comment #13 at this Jersey City blog:

http://jclist.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?viewmode=flat&type=&topic_id=17149&forum=6

28 posted on 04/29/2009 9:38:34 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Nachum
Cockpit Tapes From Air Force One Backup Flying Low Over Manhattan
29 posted on 04/29/2009 9:41:17 AM PDT by syriacus (Who else but a sadist with gallows humor has a 747 slowly fly at low altitude over the NY skyline?)
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To: KarlInOhio

Hey watch this.....panic in the streets.


30 posted on 04/29/2009 9:43:16 AM PDT by kalee (01/20/13 The end of an error.... Obama even worse than Carter.)
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To: Cicero
Found something on this.

At http://www.airportjournals.com/display.cfm/centennial/0609010 , there is a photo of an F16 with a red tail.

Caption: On August 2, a red-tailed F-16 display monument and park were officially dedicated at Luke AFB, in honor of the Tuskegee Airmen. The project was commissioned by the 944th Fighter Wing, an Air Force Reserve Unit based at Luke.
Maybe they are doing this for a movie?
31 posted on 04/29/2009 9:45:09 AM PDT by NeverEVERKerry
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To: syriacus

32 posted on 04/29/2009 9:47:00 AM PDT by syriacus (Who else but a sadist with gallows humor has a 747 slowly fly at low altitude over the NY skyline?)
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To: NeverEVERKerry

I think that’s the idea. I think Obama ordered the military to do this for the forthcoming Lucas movie, so he could get himself into it and be associated with the heroic Tuskegee Airmen.

If so, no doubt the whole thing will now be quietly dropped on Obama’s orders.


33 posted on 04/29/2009 9:49:41 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Nachum

They really take us for a$$holes.


34 posted on 04/29/2009 9:54:49 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: NeverEVERKerry

It is actually pretty easy to as this kind of tail art temporarily.

35 posted on 04/29/2009 9:58:25 AM PDT by TankerKC (01/20/09 = 09/10/01)
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To: NeverEVERKerry

I thought movie too. Your find is very interesting...


36 posted on 04/29/2009 9:59:21 AM PDT by eureka! (Elections have consequences, boy howdy. *sigh*)
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To: holdonnow

ping

Don’t blame Obama, he was only 40 when 9/11 happened...

Kinda like he was three months for the Bay of Pigs...
even though it was in April and he wasn’t born till August.

Like ‘Selma got me born’, even though it happened after he was born. /s


37 posted on 04/29/2009 10:00:25 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Appeal to Heaven.)
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To: syriacus; Grampa Dave; Ernest_at_the_Beach; george76
Good Morning!

Check out Syriacus' vid!
38 posted on 04/29/2009 10:09:25 AM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress! It's the sensible solution to restore Command to the People.)
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To: sono

ping.

We know how the O will answer this... right? (graphic warning)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ4axo9rmJY

Now here’s the lyrics (little graphic lang., not so much graphic video)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a93K1M00cAE


39 posted on 04/29/2009 10:28:49 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Appeal to Heaven.)
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To: Nachum
"A furious President Barack Obama" my a$$. I just saw a clip of the Obamination talking about this and he was smiling! He practically chuckled. The low-life jerk!

I wish I could say what I really think about him but I don't want to get banned from FR.

40 posted on 04/29/2009 10:50:04 AM PDT by radu (May God watch over our troops and keep them safe)
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To: BIGLOOK
They had another fly over planned for DC this weekend.

Just about everyone knows that DC is a restricted fly over area.

From the info I got they photo op was to be over the Washington Monument.

No way they get that clearance without the highest authority.

41 posted on 04/29/2009 10:53:17 AM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: Cicero
Wow, Cicero, what an amazing post and great find ... the words of this New Yorker at the time as he/she watched with binoculars and tried to figure out what was going on. Untainted first impressions ...

I especially like that the poster specified, The plane made 3 counterclockwise circles total and hasn't been back since. This actually made me less worried because if it were a real emergency or something was wrong, more fighters would have arrived by then and they would not have let the plane circle that low and that close to the city three times. Anyway, I have no idea why they would do that, but it was either AF1 or a 747 painted to look like it. I looked for planes or helicopters that could have been filming and didn't see any, though I see someone else has posted that it was a photo shoot.

42 posted on 04/29/2009 10:58:45 AM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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To: Finny

RE my post 48 above — I need to correct, the poster was NOT a New Yorker, but I think was in New Jersey. My goof!


43 posted on 04/29/2009 11:00:54 AM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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To: mware
Today is day 100.

Another Freeper posted his thoughts that this was a photo op to be used as a backdrop during Obama's teleprompter address tonight. Thought so too myself, just more Obama self gratification.

If there was to be another flyby planned for DC this weekend, makes me think he's going to campaign mode.....on the tax payer's dime.

This clown is the original Flim-Flam man.
44 posted on 04/29/2009 12:01:25 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress! It's the sensible solution to restore Command to the People.)
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To: mware

Last story:

http://www.redtail.org/?cat=1

Now that looks like something Lucas would want to include at the end of his movie.


45 posted on 04/29/2009 3:00:23 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Appeal to Heaven.)
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To: Nachum

The memo: http://www.avweb.com/pdf/NewYorkCityFlyoverMemo.pdf


46 posted on 04/30/2009 8:38:12 AM PDT by TankerKC (01/20/09 = 09/10/01)
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To: TankerKC
Thank you so much!

I have just put this up on my site. Excellent.

47 posted on 04/30/2009 8:57:42 AM PDT by Nachum (the complete list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

Memo discussion here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2241304/posts


48 posted on 04/30/2009 9:02:16 AM PDT by TankerKC (01/20/09 = 09/10/01)
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To: TankerKC

Thanks.


49 posted on 04/30/2009 9:05:00 AM PDT by Nachum (the complete list at www.nachumlist.com)
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