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O: GIVE US A PRIUS!
NY Post ^ | May 3,2009 | Dan Neil

Posted on 05/03/2009 3:34:18 AM PDT by NTHockey

The Energy Department could spend its billions the old-school way. Or it could try the direct approach: 2 million new hybrid drivers per year.

A calculator can be the plaything of the damned. Allow me to demonstrate.

Of the 12 million barrels of oil we import daily, the 6 million barrels we get from OPEC members are the most geopolitically dubious. That oil from the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries is refined into about 83 million gallons, or roughly one-fifth of our daily gas consumption of 390 million gallons, according to the Energy Information Administration.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: bhoenergy; hybrids; latimes; prius; spending; stimulus
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Only a LIB could justify spending $46 billion/year to save $5.2 billion/year(1.7 billion times $3.00/gallon. Presumably, the difference would be freshly picked dollars from the money tree.

And all the assumes would have to be true. And of course, our "representatives" in Congress would have to find new ways to tax us to make up for the lost revenue from gas taxes.

1 posted on 05/03/2009 3:34:19 AM PDT by NTHockey
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To: NTHockey

I saw some guy on CNBC the other day and he had invented an engine that got 100 mpg and could be put into a SUV (he had installed one in a hummer.)

The point they made in the segment was, many Americans need a large car, want a large car. They don’t want a Prius or a Fiat, they need to haul sheets of plywood from Home Depot, transport kids or pets to and from places, etc. So why push small cars when they aren’t practical for many Americans, instead find a way to make larger cars more efficient.


2 posted on 05/03/2009 3:42:08 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: dawn53
I saw some guy on CNBC the other day...

You forgot the part about how Big Oil is suppressing his invention.

3 posted on 05/03/2009 3:47:06 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Hey, Obama! Where's my check?)
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To: NTHockey

Or if gas is $2 a gal. it would be $23,000 to save $1400 a year. If buying one Prius doesn’t make economic sense why would buying a million or two?


4 posted on 05/03/2009 3:48:32 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: dawn53

I saw some guy on CNBC the other day and he had invented an engine that got 100 mpg and could be put into a SUV (he had installed one in a hummer.)
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Firstly engines don’t get XXX MPG ,, they burn fuel and make power ,, vehicles that move get MPG; an engine by itself is nothing. Secondly a Hummer H2 (along with every other car in the US) could be retuned for at least 20% more MPG if we disregarded emission standards , cars run richer than necessary to keep emissions happy (and our cars would still be plenty clean with modern direct injection and advanced ignition systems)... I don’t care if you have the most fuel efficient engine imaginable when you put it in a 3 ton Hummer H2 you won’t get anywhere near 100 mpg ,, best possible would be doubling the mileage to 20 or so with a small turbodiesel.


5 posted on 05/03/2009 3:52:47 AM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: NTHockey
I've done the math. If you do an economic comparison of the Prius and the Corolla, the break even point for the Prius (under reasonable assumptions) is $6.00/gallon gasoline.

People aren't buying Prii for economic reasons, it's an ego trip, a self image massage.

6 posted on 05/03/2009 3:55:44 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (You talkin' to me?)
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To: NTHockey

There’s a severe disease or delusion with the Globull Warming mind, only a functually economic moron could espouse this Priazz Plan and not be declared insane. As if the total cost of changing to electric cars doesn’t involve massive other costs, electric generation & infrastructure, new manufacturers, mines as well as using more coal & oil & much more. I think the real economic analysis has been done already and the Prius is only the great step forward in the Land of the Unicorns.


7 posted on 05/03/2009 3:56:47 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: count-your-change

I think a fairer comparison is the difference in the cost of Prius vs. whatever else you would have purchased. And the cost difference has to amortized over the economic life of the vehicle using a reasonable “cost of money”, with future gasoline purchases discounted. If the alternate doesn’t provide the same performance, e.g., take six kids to soccer practice and carry sheetrock home, then it’s not a fair comparison.

This guy is an economic illiterate. The article is so bad it’s not even possible to know where to begin. He is in fantasy land.


8 posted on 05/03/2009 4:04:48 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (You talkin' to me?)
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To: dawn53
Why? For the same reason really high quality, nice looking cloths for women (a.k.a.’designer fashions’) are only found in single-digit sizes; and let's not even talk about finding good looking women's shoes with arch-support!
9 posted on 05/03/2009 4:07:53 AM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: Neidermeyer

I found the article about it. It was an H3, not an H2, and the engine is a hybrid.

http://www.switched.com/2009/04/18/new-hybrid-hummer-gets-100-miles-per-gallon/


10 posted on 05/03/2009 4:25:01 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: Neidermeyer; dawn53

>>Firstly engines don’t get XXX MPG ,, they burn fuel and make power <<
Pardon her but for the non-technical person, all the commercials say “Gets XX per gallon”

Puts me in the mind of a line from Animal House.


11 posted on 05/03/2009 4:37:32 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: count-your-change

His plan isn’t to save money, it’s to cut down purchases from OPEC.


12 posted on 05/03/2009 4:40:16 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault ( Obama, you're off the island!)
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To: dawn53
I found the article about it. It was an H3, not an H2, and the engine is a hybrid.

Not only that, if you go to the company's website, you find that it's a plug-in hybrid. That means some of the gas savings are replaced by higher costs through your electric meter.

"The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away."

13 posted on 05/03/2009 4:49:52 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Hey, Obama! Where's my check?)
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The One may want to ask the Ford Motor Company about this. Ford is probably the ONLY automotive company besides Toyota that has actually built vehicles with a really effective hybrid drivetrain--one that can be adopted for plug-in hybrid electric vehicle use when battery technology improves.
14 posted on 05/03/2009 4:56:43 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
People aren't buying Prii for economic reasons, it's an ego trip, a self image massage.

When one considers the level of insanity that drives this empty movement, it's no wonder how shows like "South Park" actually give voice to the truth.

15 posted on 05/03/2009 4:59:25 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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Blah, blah, blah! I love my ‘09 Prius. I commute 22 miles a day round trip to the office, 54 miles in the summer. Last week on an 80 mile round trip to court I got exactly 50 mpg average.

There’s a Buick SUV 4X4 (plenty of room for the dog, luggage, groceries, kids, kayaks on the roof and small appliances for the cottage) in the yard which my wife drives and an full size F150 4X4 for those sheets of plywood and sheet rock, dump runs and pellets for heat.


16 posted on 05/03/2009 5:01:44 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis

Man...that ladder looks like a mighty tough climb.


17 posted on 05/03/2009 5:06:31 AM PDT by Tainan (Where's my FOF Indicator?)
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To: Tainan

“Man...that ladder looks like a mighty tough climb.”

I forgot to add that I also feel exceedingly virtuous when I drive the Prius, but I am a shallow fellow. :)


18 posted on 05/03/2009 5:08:09 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: dawn53
It will never happen. We have been saying this since the 70’s oil crisis, the “Former Big Three” are in bed with Big Oil. They have attempted to make strides to pacify the public, but that was after the public went elsewhere for quality and value.

I know, we did, the last US cars we purchased were is 1975 & 1977 cars, which were pure garbage! We never looked back and now prefer Japanese & German cars.

19 posted on 05/03/2009 5:08:24 AM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (Markets and Marxists Don't Mix! Smile you're on Janet's Candid Camera!)
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To: NTHockey

Ban electric Tonka Toys, take the excessive taxes off oil, drill California and all the oil problems are solved!


20 posted on 05/03/2009 5:09:21 AM PDT by dalereed
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