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1 posted on 05/03/2009 1:58:41 PM PDT by Steelfish
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One of the flash points over Proposition 8 in California was the fact that the California same-sex marriage law would require schools to teach that homosexual marriages were the equivalent of heterosexual marriages.


2 posted on 05/03/2009 2:01:41 PM PDT by gridlock (L'Etat, c'est Barack...)
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As long as the left has a deathgrip on Washington the i8ssue will remain one-sided. Remember, it is all about power. Not people.


3 posted on 05/03/2009 2:03:18 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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The country is deeply divided on same-sex marriage.

since when ? POLL
5 posted on 05/03/2009 2:05:44 PM PDT by stylin19a (Red is positive, Black is negative, and Make sure his nuts are wet)
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The bakeries will just have to stock up on Ken and Ken dolls, not to mention Judy and Judith’s.


6 posted on 05/03/2009 2:07:34 PM PDT by BlueStateBlues (Blue State for business, Red State at heart.........2012--can't come soon enough.)
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Damn libs desecrate anything and everything they get near. Pure scum. They care not for anyone's feelings and convictions but their own.

Nam Vet

7 posted on 05/03/2009 2:09:26 PM PDT by Nam Vet ("Any fool can make a rule, and any fool will mind it." .... Henry David Thoreau)
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It’s worse in Canada—a “human rights commission” regularly levies heavy fines on people for saying something which offends a homosexual (and it doesn’t have to be a one-on-one conversation). The New Mexico case is a warning sign that the same thing could happen in the US, given the intolerance of the Obamaphiles for any views differing from their own.


8 posted on 05/03/2009 2:10:53 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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It is becoming clear that any religious institution that does not want to be ordered around by the Federal Government must completely avoid any Federal funding at all. As soon as they take one thin dime, the Feds will own them.

That is why the Faith-Based Initiatives of GWB were so wrong-headed. The FedGuv is not to be trusted.


10 posted on 05/03/2009 2:12:08 PM PDT by gridlock (L'Etat, c'est Barack...)
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Obama Says A Baby Is A Punishment

Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

11 posted on 05/03/2009 2:13:32 PM PDT by narses (http://www.theobamadisaster.com/)
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The country is deeply divided on same-sex marriage. But once it is recognized legally, all kinds of people — clerks in the local registrar’s office, photographers, owners of reception halls, florists — might not have the legal right to refuse to provide services for same-sex weddings, even if doing so would violate deeply held beliefs.

moght not have a legal right?
The homofascist have already sued and closed business that refused to cater to their needs.


13 posted on 05/03/2009 2:21:06 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Coming to You From the Front Lines of Occupied America)
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New Mexico's Human Rights Commission fined a husband-wife photography team more than $6,000 because they declined to photograph a same-sex commitment ceremony

Huh?

In one of my other lives I'm a photographer. Unless these people are the only photographers for 100 miles I don't see how this could happen. Far as I know I can chose to accept or decline any job as I see fit.

14 posted on 05/03/2009 2:21:26 PM PDT by OpeEdMunkey (We seem to have reached a critical mass of stupid people.)
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I would choose to shut down my business and resort to flipping hambergers at McDonalds - just enough to get by, but pay an absolute minumum in taxes.


15 posted on 05/03/2009 2:22:18 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (Leftism is a mental disorder.)
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Punishing people for refusing business is dumb. The lowered income should be punishment enough. The photographer down the road will make that much more by being open to photos of any marriage. Of course the fact that there are probably a variety of places open to serving gay couples won’t matter. The goal will be to make sure all of these businesses do.

I would guess the countdown is on for the Supreme Court weighing the free exercise of religion vs. freedom from discrimination for homosexuals. It will be interesting to see how Kennedy rules as I think the other eight are kind of a given. A quick glance at his Wikipedia page says he wrote the decision to invalidate Colorado’s ban on gays bringing discrimination claims. So it would appear that based on the current makeup (and expected future makeup) that this case will not end in the desired way.


18 posted on 05/03/2009 2:31:40 PM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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And for how many years has the left tried to convince us that same-sex marriage affects no one else?

They won’t stop until they have totally destroyed the moral fabric of American society.

On another thought, being a non-legal minded person, since the first amendment says, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” could some slick attorney build an argument of how same-sex marriage violates this as currently being passed?

It would seem to me that these same-sex marriage laws and ramifications of them against religious people violates their “free exercise of.”

Then again, it might be difficult today to find a federal judge that actually believes in the constitution.


19 posted on 05/03/2009 2:35:57 PM PDT by DakotaRed (Don't you wish you had supported a conservative when you had the chance?)
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Vatican Document On Homosexual Unions

“Homosexual unions are totally lacking in the biological and anthropological elements of marriage and family which would be the basis, on the level of reason, for granting them legal recognition. Such unions are not able to contribute in a proper way to the procreation and survival of the human race. The possibility of using recently discovered methods of artificial reproduction, beyond involving a grave lack of respect for human dignity,(15) does nothing to alter this inadequacy.”
CONSIDERATIONS REGARDING PROPOSALS TO GIVE LEGAL RECOGNITION TO UNIONS BETWEEN HOMOSEXUAL PERSONS

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20 posted on 05/03/2009 2:44:13 PM PDT by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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It’s like we have our own homegrown ‘Taliban’ here in the USofA.. effectively practicing their own form of sharia.. they could care less what the end result is.

To question them is to sign your own death warrant... or will be the equivalent socially, sooner, not later.

Hate crime legislation is only the latest gambit to enact the final acts that will lead to our collective destruction as a society worth much of anything, except to those who issues the edicts and sign the warrants.


21 posted on 05/03/2009 2:46:25 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed.)
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The country is deeply divided on same-sex marriage.

IIRC the polls were roughly 60% NO, 30% YES, and 10% NO OPINION. If that's "deeply divided" I'm as centrist as 0bama.

22 posted on 05/03/2009 2:48:58 PM PDT by infidel29 (BARACkarl OBAmarx)
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There is no way to allow for same sex marriage without seeing the flood gates open and activists and the ACLU totally swamp this country with lawsuits. Civil Unions just open the door for 14th amendment challenges. This isn’t about religious protections it is about freedom to call what is wrong wrong. Homosexuality is aberrant, there are plenty of researchers that believe this but like with global warming have been bullied into obscurity and near media silence. What we have seen is the political swamping of the debate but we should be heartened by the backlash the marriage issue has caused. These states can be turned. It is not too late but will take hard work.


23 posted on 05/03/2009 3:03:32 PM PDT by Maelstorm (With eyes wide shut)
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Catholic Charities in the Boston area got out of the adoption business some while ago because of this stuff.

They were compelled to stop doing their good works because it was “politically incorrect” and the organization was unwilling to compromise their principles which were based on religious beliefs.

The fascists liberals sued them, and the result....less kids find homes, government social workers perpetuate their rackets.

So much for the children and freedom of religion.


33 posted on 05/03/2009 5:44:24 PM PDT by Radix (We seek Liberty......They give us Debt.)
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This is what the NOM (National Organization for Marriage) has been arguing for years.
37 posted on 05/03/2009 7:20:17 PM PDT by It's me
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It's possible to legalize gay marriage without infringing on religious liberty.

Absolutely false. Homosexual "marriage" has nothing to do with what two people want to call themselves - it has everything to do with what OTHERS will be compelled to call them and how OTHERS are forced to change their behavior towards two sodomites. This is a zero-sum rights issue: either religious people will be able to exercise their rights as traditionally known, or the homo-nazis will have their way, trampling religious rights under foot. It can't be both ways.

I am always suspicious that such exemption language is needed in the new radical laws overturning nature anyway. As if the natural order of things needs defending because there is a weakness in this argument. The irrationalists have prevailed in making the un-natural the norm.

38 posted on 05/03/2009 7:43:34 PM PDT by fwdude ("...a 'centrist' ... has few principles - and those are negotiable." - Don Feder)
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