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Chris Matthews Attacks Pence and Conservatives on Belief in Science (Rush)
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Posted on 05/06/2009 3:56:09 PM PDT by mnehring

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To: BearArms

Theistic evolution is pretty well accepted, just not necessarly by that name.


21 posted on 05/08/2009 5:21:44 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: BearArms

Rush does not believe in cross-species evolution. Ol’ Chrissy may be evolving a new appendage which will spring forth from the tingle running up his leg. Stay tuned! No one can explain the concept of macro-evolution, and it’s time that people who reject evolution should stop playing footsy with leftists out to ruin us on this issue. I’d demand that any interrogator explain the evolution of a spider’s web, for starters. Bob


22 posted on 05/08/2009 9:38:28 PM PDT by alstewartfan
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To: alstewartfan

I didn’t see Rush quibble on his “I believe in evolution” and “Certainly things evolve. There’s no question. There’s no denying it.” answer, other than saying the obvious, that evolution as a scientific theory doesn’t explain creation.

Here are Rush’s words on the subject...

“Now, had I been on the program, this is an easy answer. Matthews’ question: “You want to educate the American peep about science and its relevance. Do you believe in evolution?”

“Yeah. I believe in evolution.”

“Oh, you do? We got a Republican believes in evolution!”

“Yeah, wait, Chris! Wait, though! It can’t explain creation. I mean, we’ve got both. Where did it come from, Chris? Don’t give me the Big Bang. Don’t give me evolution for the Big Bang. Where did this all come from, what was it before it was what it is? Certainly things evolve. There’s no question. There’s no denying it. But evolution does not explain creation.”


23 posted on 05/11/2009 2:57:55 PM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: mnehring

I still say that Darwin would take a flamethrower to his papers if he ever met Chris.


24 posted on 05/11/2009 2:59:13 PM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: allmendream
People use “evolution” to mean very different things. I KNOW that Rush rejects the concept of cross-species evolution. I too believe that over generations, organisms change somewhat, such as differing skin colors among humans. To assume that organs and organisms sprouted from single cells, which themselves sprang from non-life, over billions of years, is ridiculous. And Rush agrees. Blessings, Bob
25 posted on 05/14/2009 12:54:22 PM PDT by alstewartfan
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To: alstewartfan
Evolution is a scientific term and it has been clearly defined by science.

Rush did not quibble when he said he believed in evolution.

How do you KNOW that Rush rejects something that you cannot even describe properly. Cross species evolution? Do you mean speciation?

26 posted on 05/14/2009 1:03:10 PM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: allmendream
#23 of Rush's original “35 Undeniable Truths of Life” stated that “Evolution cannot explain creation.” I've heard him in years past say that he disbelieves in cross-species evolution.
Now, if he has subsequently changed his mind, that would be unfortunate. To take a single cell, the naturalistic probability of which is zero, and imagine that within that miracle cell, there was contained therein the gazillions of bits of information to mutate into the millions of fully functional organisms we witness today, is fantastical and absurd. So, I'd be stunned if Rush does believe it now. Blessings, Bob
27 posted on 05/15/2009 8:56:06 PM PDT by alstewartfan
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To: alstewartfan

And Rush reiterated that he doesn’t think evolution can explain creation in the way that Genesis does, and I agree; but he also said that evolution was a fact.

The beauty of the evolutionary system God brought into being by his will is that a single living cell need not have all information, it just need to be able to change.

DNA is incapable of remaining exactly the same from replication to replication.


28 posted on 05/15/2009 9:41:45 PM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: allmendream

Where is the evidence that randomly-changing DNA can form never-before existing organs and organisms? I’d sooner believe that the Encyclopedia Brittanica “evolved” over time. Blessings, Bob


29 posted on 05/16/2009 8:44:51 AM PDT by alstewartfan
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To: allmendream
Ironically, on Tuesday, when the “missing ling” news broke, Rush called the idea of cross-species evolution “BS”. He must have been following this discussion, and wanted to set the record straight. lol Bob
30 posted on 05/24/2009 5:23:57 PM PDT by alstewartfan
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To: alstewartfan
You have yet to even define “cross species evolution”, do you mean speciation? Are you claiming that Rush used this incorrect term?

Rush doesn't use expletives on his show.

Do you have the relevant transcript?

You do know it is a sin to bear false witness don't you?

31 posted on 05/24/2009 5:57:49 PM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: allmendream
OK, my definition of “cross-species” evolution would be “the propensity over time for one species to develop into multiple species”, such as single-cellular life developing into more complex organisms, which in turn, branch out into other organisms.
Rush did not use the expletive, but the abbreviation, as I quoted. He stated that he didn't believe that “cross-species evolution” has ever been proved, and said the the missing link story was “really all BS”. What he means by the term “cse” remains undefined, as far as I know. He said this on either Tuesday or Wednesday in the second or third hour. No “false witness” on my end. Cordially, Bob
32 posted on 05/24/2009 6:47:18 PM PDT by alstewartfan
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To: alstewartfan
So the bears on Noah's ark didn't posses a propensity over time to become all the different species of bears?

Those that think all modern species descended from those primordial “kinds” that Noah had on the Ark believe in “cross species evolution” with a power and speed unsupportable by experimental evidence.

Nothing Rush has ever said, or that you can produce, would lead one to believe he thinks the world is only a few thousand years old or that dinosaurs lived alongside humanity.

If you have evidence to the contrary please produce it, otherwise we must go with what words he has actually said, the words which you originally tried to twist into some semblance of your own belief; but which actually say quite simply that Rush accepts the theory of evolution, thus diminishing the journalist’s point that Republicans are not wholesale rejectors of science.

33 posted on 05/26/2009 7:46:40 AM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: allmendream

I do not believe that the earth is six, or ten thousand years old. I have no problem with the idea of the universe being millions or billions of years old. I lean strongly in that direction. As for Noah, I tend to think of this story as an illustration of the importance of being faithful to God. I know this is sacrilegious to some Christians, but I don’t see these beliefs as a rejection of Christianity at all. I do believe that Noah’s story was at least *inspired* by God.
Evolutionists seize upon the unimaginable amount to time to conjure a story which only thousands of years would render implausible. But I’ll give you a quadrillion years, and I still say that the billions of positive mutations which were necessary to construct millions of life forms could not have happened. The clearly irreducible complexity of organs and organisms render any tale of random construction absurd. Blessings, Bob


34 posted on 05/26/2009 12:41:00 PM PDT by alstewartfan
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To: alstewartfan

So if the earth is billions of years old, and not all species existed for the entirety of that, what mechanism do you ascribe to the appearance of new species? God came down at various points in the epochs of Earth life and created them from nothing?

So you think God has no power over random processes? That God’s infinite power stops at the Casino door? That God could not or would not use random processes in nature in order that all things fulfill God’s will?

Prov 16:33 The dice are cast into the lap, but every result is from the Lord.


35 posted on 05/26/2009 12:47:03 PM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: allmendream
I would say, AMD, that He created organisms out of existing elements, which in turn came from God's will out of nothing, as we would understand it. At which point He willed any or all of the myriad creatures into existence is uncertain. But I do not believe that there ever existed a time in which birds could not fly, insects did not pollinate, mammals did not perform intercourse as we know it today, nor one in which spiders could not spin webs. The entire fossil record reveals *completed* species.
Also, I do not believe in a “randomness” of God's design. God-created forces, and free will among creatures, does produce randomness to an extent unknown to me, however. Cordially, Bob
36 posted on 05/26/2009 2:00:37 PM PDT by alstewartfan
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To: alstewartfan
If you do not believe in any randomness incorporated into God's design then you reject numerous observations of how reality unfolds at the quantum, atomic, and biological level.

Of course the fossil record reveals completed species. Every species between a toe walking animal to a three pronged hoofed animal to a fused hoof animal was a full and complete species, how could they be anything else? And yet the fossil record clearly shows that hoofed animals are a recent innovation.

Are you suggesting that fused hoof animals have been around from the beginning but nobody noticed? Or that God created fused hoofed animals from raw materials in the more recent past, rather than creating them from a three pronged hoofed animal?

37 posted on 05/26/2009 2:13:12 PM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: allmendream

AMD, there is randomness in virtually all arenas of life, but the idea that human beings and other creatures came into existence via grand accident is unsupported by science. Grandpa was NOT a protozoa, at least in *my* family tree. Blessings, Bob


38 posted on 06/01/2009 3:10:23 PM PDT by alstewartfan
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