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I don’t mean to be argumentative but where in the Bible does it say that a Palestianian state can’t be established? The jews were promised a homeland but I don’t see that being inconsistent with a Palestianian state in a theoretical sense. I saw theoretical because security problems makes establishing a Palestian State a bad idea but that is a separate issue and not my point. I’m saying the Bible doesn’t include a map stating the boundaries of Jordan, Eqypt and these nations. These are worldly matters not spiritual matters.

Now Gerlitzky is worried about a thing called anniliation from Iran. So I can understand where he is coming from. I cut him tons of slack and wish him well. But I’d like to hear the Pope’s side of the story. I’ll bet the Pope just stated his position and did not demand anything. After all the Pope is not saying much different than most leaders in the U.S. are saying including both Bush and Obama. I don’t necessarily agree with it but it is not radical, it is mainstream, conventional political thinking and it doesn’t conflict with the Bible.

Having said that I don’t agree with a Palestian State only because I don’t think security is possible but thats the only reason. If security could somehow be managed I wouldn’t have a problem with it. But that would be an academic position givin what we know about muslims and how maintaining security in such a situation is infeasible

Here is a good source for the history of the area that should be read:

Israel statehood timeline: Truman Library

Including the links found in this section of the page:

UN Resolution 181, defined the outline of a settlement in Palestine creating both a Jewish and a Palestinian homeland. The 1947 UN Partition divided the area into three entities: a Jewish state, an Arab state, and an international zone around Jerusalem.

A lot of this historical perspective and background gets lost in the rhetoric about Islamist fundamentalism and their desire to destroy Israel. We must not and cannot allow that to happen, and we should respect the rights of Palestinians to have a homeland since a basis for that does indeed exist -- nothwithstanding those here who think otherwise.

where in the Bible does it say that a Palestianian state can’t be established?

It doesn’t.

The jews were promised a homeland but I don’t see that being inconsistent with a Palestianian state

If it’s the same land – it certainly IS inconsistent!

security problems makes establishing a Palestian State a bad idea but that is a separate issue and not my point. These are worldly matters not spiritual matters. I’ll bet the Pope just stated his position and did not demand anything.

No one said he demanded anything. Just stated ‘his opinion’??. HIS opinion should line up w/God’s Word – otherwise he is double minded. God’s Word says…A double minded man is unstable in all his ways. His position deems him to be a representative of Christ.does it not.?

After all the Pope is not saying much different than most leaders in the U.S. are saying including both Bush and Obama.

That’s the problem – he should be. If he were a true representative of Christ – there should be a vast difference between him and the world. Christians are to be light unto the world for the world is darkness. Not getting into it but Bush and zero views on Israel are different.

I don’t necessarily agree with it but it is not radical, it is mainstream, conventional political thinking and it doesn’t conflict with the Bible.

It most certainly does conflict w/the Bible. You speak as if ‘the world’ has Truth – it doesn’t! God’s is Truth. Follow the God’s Word or follow the world.. Are you saying following God’s Word is radical. Will that be your excuse when judgment day comes? “Your Way was too radical for me”. God never asked us in His Word for our opinion – just obey and believe.

I don’t agree with a Palestian State only because I don’t think security is possible but thats the only reason. If security could somehow be managed I wouldn’t have a problem with it.

The reason we disagree is … you have more faith in what ‘you’ think and what ‘the world’ thinks and I have faith in what God says. “God’s Word is true and every man a liar’ and “My Ways are not your ways and My thoughts are not your thoughts” says The Lord. I will take God’s Word over man’s anyday and everyday. His is the All Knowing, All Seeing Almighty God – is He not?

I’ll close with God’s Word to Israel – “I will bless those that bless you and curse those who curse you”.