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UND's Fighting Sioux nickname headed for dustbin
pioneer dePressed ^ | 5-15-09 | DALE WETZEL

Posted on 05/15/2009 9:50:04 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB

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To: Slapshot68

“As a diehard (die, being the operative prefix) Eagles fan, I hope one day that the Washington Redskins are forced to change their name. heh heh”

Having Cherokee ancestors, imho names like the Fighting Sioux (or Chiefs, Braves, or Warriors) are not insulting. Nor are teams named after tribes (like the FSU Seminoles.) They are part of American history and culture, and these names highlight POSITIVE aspects of native-Americans from the past.

Redskins IS insulting. That is the one indian team name that does need to be changed.


21 posted on 05/15/2009 10:05:26 AM PDT by Brookhaven
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To: WOBBLY BOB
I despise these half-measures by the liberals. Let's go all the way. Let's erase the Indians from American history, it's demeaning after all. Let's pull a trick from the Muslims and simply condemn everything that came before. Indians didn't exist before Columbus arrived. They did nothing worthwhile and let's destroy all their artifacts. Starting with re-naming college mascots.

Let's go on and re-name everything with an Indian language root word. Let's de-legalize the tribes and tribal governments. Come on Liberals, why mess around. Marx was all for erasing the smaller peoples and replacing them with the great administrative nations.

22 posted on 05/15/2009 10:06:40 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (Obama, the American Allende.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

There are three NCAA schools who play Div 1-A football and basketball; whose nicknames do not end in S, are not an animal and are not a color.


23 posted on 05/15/2009 10:08:08 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Slapshot68

So now the politically correct debate about Indian nicknames for sports teams is back in the news.

Nobody ever talks about other allegedly insulting names.

Notre Dame Fighting Irish - are they implying Irishmen are violent?

San Diego Padres - deameaning to the Catholic Church, isn’t it?

Boston Celtics - another insult to people of Irish or Celtic origins

Pittsburgh Pirates - after the recent incident with Somali pirates, we’re all reminded that we’re honoring criminals with such a nickname.

Tampa Bay Buccaneers - same as Pittsburgh Pirates

Dallas Cowboys - demeaning to the ranchers and cowboys

Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim - an insult to religion and the concept of angels?????

Kansas City Royals, Sacramento Kings - an insult to royal families everywhere.

San Francisco Giants - an insult to those with the problem of large bodies?

Portland Trail Blazers - we can’t honor this harkening back to the Oregon Trail, because after all, under PC ideology, this entire continent was stolen from the indigenous peoples.

Milwaukee Brewers - we don’t want to encourage drinking and alcoholism. This name has got to go.

Texas Rangers - a nod to the law enforcement agency. But what with police brutality and all that, we can’t have such a team nickname.

Seattle Mariners - demeaning to sailors and the navy.

New England Patriots - too jingoistic. Who are we to claim patriotism as something honorable? We haven’t lived up to our highest ideals so we can’t have such a name. We have no right to call ourselves patriotic.

New York Jets - in the era of global warming, we can’t say anything that is favorable to jet planes.

Buffalo Bills - I understand that the real Buffalo Bill didn’t have a politically correct 21st century worldview. Out he goes.

I’m sure there are other offensive team names out there. You get the idea, there are many objections we can raise.

Don’t get me started on all the animal team names. When PETA weighs in , all of those will have to go also.


24 posted on 05/15/2009 10:08:40 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: filbert

I always thought their name was the “Fighting Sue”, myself.


25 posted on 05/15/2009 10:09:18 AM PDT by SoDak (Molon Labe)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
Were the names Crazy Horse and Sitting Bull demeaning to animals?

Perhaps an updated Indian name would be more fitting.

The Fighting Casinos - Everybody wears the Number 21.

The Crapshoots - Everybody wears the Number 7

The Fighting Slots - Might not work for the women's sports.

26 posted on 05/15/2009 10:09:30 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't fly, can't ski, can't drive, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

This stuff about team names demeaning Native Americans is politically-correct nonsense. It is actually a sign of respect and honor to have a sports team (or military unit) name itself for you. Native Americans named THEMSELVES after animals that fought or hunted well, e.g. eagles, wolves, bears, and so on (a practice adopted by, for example, the Philadelphia Eagles and Chicago Bears).

I have yet to hear Greek-Americans complain about the Michigan State Spartans, or Appalachian people complain about the U. West Virginia Mountaineers. Poland has a soccer team called the Husaria (named for the famous winged cavalry of the 17th century).

“Fighting Sioux” is, or should be, an honor to the Sioux people because it reminds people that the Sioux were once among the best mounted warriors on earth.

Note also that our Armed Forces name weapons for various Native Americans, e.g. Blackhawk helicopters, and I think there is a Cherokee weapon system as well.


27 posted on 05/15/2009 10:10:08 AM PDT by Winged Hussar (http://moveonpleasemoveon.blogspot.com/)
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To: Slapshot68

Just you wait...you think the “Eagles” are going to get a free pass...:)

I am sure the “Patriots” cannot last much longer as a name either...can’t have THAT!


28 posted on 05/15/2009 10:11:24 AM PDT by rlmorel ("The Road to Serfdom" by F.A.Hayek - Read it...today.)
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29 posted on 05/15/2009 10:11:31 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Until 1930, they were known as the “Flickertails” a type of ground squirrel.

There’s an intimidating mascot.


30 posted on 05/15/2009 10:14:00 AM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: Dilbert San Diego

This will come in handy while making the Rush Limbaugh “Environmentalist Whacko” Football Picks.


31 posted on 05/15/2009 10:15:06 AM PDT by dfwgator (1996 2006 2008 - Good Things Come in Threes)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
if Indians want every reference to them striken from the American landscape, so be it.....

for the record, words like "chief" and "fighting" etc are English words......

32 posted on 05/15/2009 10:17:52 AM PDT by cherry
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To: Dilbert San Diego

You forgot Vikings...

Having some Nordic blood in me and being the tall/blonde/blue-eyed warrior type, I am deeply offended.

Gosh I hate this PC crap!

When did everyone start getting offended by everything. Grow some thicker skin, people.


33 posted on 05/15/2009 10:25:54 AM PDT by Kandy Atz ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want for bread.")
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To: counterpunch

Hilarious!


34 posted on 05/15/2009 10:26:35 AM PDT by Kandy Atz ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want for bread.")
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To: cherry
When Eastern Michigan changed the names of its teams from "Hurons," the tribe begged it not to do it. EMU did it, anyway.

It's fairly safe to assume that not all of the Sioux want the name changed.

35 posted on 05/15/2009 10:28:10 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Kandy Atz

You’re probably the only other person on FR who recognizes Siouxsie Sioux...


36 posted on 05/15/2009 10:31:48 AM PDT by counterpunch (In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem.)
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To: N. Theknow

The Custer Busters


37 posted on 05/15/2009 10:32:40 AM PDT by auboy (Men who cannot deceive others are very often successful at deceiving themselves. Samuel Johnson)
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To: kromike

How ‘bout the “Fightin’ Casinos” ?


38 posted on 05/15/2009 10:33:44 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: mentor2k

If you read the article you would have seen that in a 2-1 vote the supposed offended individuals supported the use of the name. This is just PCism run amok as usual.


39 posted on 05/15/2009 10:34:34 AM PDT by redangus
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To: 1rudeboy

As I have always said, it is the whiney, wimpy liberal whites who throw a temper tantrum like a 2 year old over these things. Usually, the tribe(s) in question support keeping it (as noted above).


40 posted on 05/15/2009 10:35:35 AM PDT by Corporate Law (<>< - Xavier Basketball: Perennial Slayers of #1 Ranked Teams)
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