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The Pope's Stand in Obama's Notre Dame Controversy (Vatical Silent)
Time ^ | 16 May 09 | Amy Sullivan

Posted on 05/17/2009 12:03:41 PM PDT by SkyPilot

At the rate things are going, Pope Benedict XVI may find his next trip to the U.S. dogged by airplanes overhead trailing banners with images of aborted fetuses. O.K., that's a bit of hyperbole. But while several prominent conservative Catholics in this country are apoplectic over the University of Notre Dame's invitation of the pro-choice Barack Obama to give the school's commencement address on May 17, the Vatican has stayed completely silent on the matter.

The two very different reactions to the question of whether a Catholic institution should honor anyone who disagrees with the Church's teaching on abortion are just the latest examples of the strikingly divergent responses American Catholic leaders and the Vatican have had to the Obama Administration.

Three-quarters of Catholics either approve of or offer no opinion on Notre Dame's decision to invite Obama, and the same percentage of U.S. bishops have opted to stay out of the fight.

(Excerpt) Read more at time.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bho44; bhocommencements; catholic; catholiccolleges; notredame; obama; pope; prolife; vatican
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The Pope had lots to say about pressuring Israel to cave in to Palestinian terrorist, and give up more "land for peace" this week - but he refuses to comment on this.

More of the same.

Why won't the Vatican do things that make sense? Oppose politicians that support abortion, excommunicate the Pelosis, Kennedys, and Dodds, excommunicate homosexual clergy, and support Israel?

Incredible.

1 posted on 05/17/2009 12:03:41 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

The Vatican will pay dearly for it’s silence.


2 posted on 05/17/2009 12:07:40 PM PDT by Gator113 (Weak-coward-racist-white hating-lying-traitor= Surrender Monkey in Chief-B. Hussein Obama...)
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This is a very important issue for many. I understand this. Rahm and Obama are very good at misdirection! Why are milking this distraction for all it is worth. What are they trying to sneak through congress now?
3 posted on 05/17/2009 12:08:16 PM PDT by WellyP
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At present, this is the top story on Drudge, along with this photo of a Notre Dame student who was arrested for daring to oppose King Obama.

Thanks Rome, for the support.

4 posted on 05/17/2009 12:09:22 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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...the question of whether a Catholic institution should honor anyone who disagrees with the Church's teaching on abortion...

Not just honoring someone who disagrees with the Church, but silencing those who do agree with it. Perplexing indeed.

5 posted on 05/17/2009 12:10:12 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: SkyPilot

I think I know why the Vatican is silent. It is a secular nation-state, and wants to maintain good relations with the United States, of which Barack Hussein Obama is the President (legitimately or otherwise).

It’s a diplomatic thing.


6 posted on 05/17/2009 12:10:16 PM PDT by RoadTest (For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus - I Tim 2:5)
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I believe the entire Church will pay dearly not only for the Vatican’s silence but for the bishops’ spinelessness. This is their AIG/GM moment. Obama has taken over their “company” in the US. I hope they enjoy what he’s going to make of it.

As for the rest of us, just average Catholics, this is the beginning of our time of trial.


7 posted on 05/17/2009 12:12:48 PM PDT by livius
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Gotta just eat up that TIME propaganda and accept it as truth hey.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2247015/posts


8 posted on 05/17/2009 12:14:09 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ([Advocate for] Mitt Romney[?], God help you, but you're on the wrong website ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: Gator113
I applaud the sincere Catholics who have taken a courageous stand to oppose abortion, and Obama.

It is shameful the Pope has not supported them publicly, made a statement, or even attempted to have a representative from the Vatican voice support.

If the Vatican would denounce the Democrats and Liberals for what they are - evil; then those faithless and godless people who still wish to call themselves Christians or Catholics (and yet vote for Democrats by the millions) would not be able to wear their fig leafs anymore.


9 posted on 05/17/2009 12:14:47 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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Catholics have two choices; they can put ZERO in the offering from now on to protest the church’s silence. Or, they can continue to support a church who remains silent in the face of such atrocities.


10 posted on 05/17/2009 12:15:03 PM PDT by South40 (Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing its Idiot.)
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Why won't the Vatican do things that make sense? Oppose politicians that support abortion, excommunicate the Pelosis, Kennedys, and Dodds, excommunicate homosexual clergy, and support Israel?

Just about exactly opposite of what Jesus would do...Go figure...

11 posted on 05/17/2009 12:17:14 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: SkyPilot

Touchdown Barack wins in sudden death and spikes the baby in the endzone.


12 posted on 05/17/2009 12:18:17 PM PDT by PGalt
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I am glad someone said something. Kudos to the Bishop, but that was over a week ago.

Where is the Vatican on this as Obama gets an honorary degree? Why didn't they tell Notre Dame to disinvite Obama? Where is their statement as Catholic students are arrested for opposing Obama?

I hate Time magazine too, but they are correct on this story. There is not Vatican opposition to what happened at Notre Dame this weekend.

13 posted on 05/17/2009 12:19:37 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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On May 8th, 2009, Archbishop Raymond Burke, Prefect of the Apostolic Signatura, commented on the University of Notre Dame's decision to honor President Obama at its upcoming commencement. Despite President Obama's support for abortion and other anti-life positions, he will be presented with an honorary Doctor of Law degree at the University on May 17th.

At the 2009 Prayer Breakfast in Washington, D.C., the Archbishop stated: “The profound granting of an honorary doctorate” by Notre Dame to President Obama is “a source of the gravest scandal." "Catholic institutions cannot offer any platform to, let alone honor, those who teach and act publicly against the moral law. He continued: “If we as individuals are not willing to accept the burdens and the suffering” of the Catholic witness to the right to life, “we are not worthy of the name Catholic.”

In the Vatican, he is roughly equivalent to Chief Justice of the Supreme Court .

14 posted on 05/17/2009 12:19:58 PM PDT by stop_fascism (Georgism is Capitalism perfected)
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Archbishop Burke Slams Obama’s Appearance at Notre Dame
FOX News ^ | May 8, 2009 | FOXNews

Posted on Fri May 8 12:39:12 2009 by TaxachusettsMan

One of the Vatican’s highest ranked clerics and a frequent critic of President Obama said Friday that Notre Dame is causing a “scandal” by giving the president an honorary degree and a platform to address graduates at its commencement next weekend.

‘The proposed granting of an honorary doctorate at Notre Dame University to our president, who is so aggressively advancing an anti-life and anti-family agenda, is rightly the source of the greatest scandal,” said Archbishop Raymond Burke, who is the prefect of the Apostolic Signatura, the Vatican’s highest court.

Burke, the former archbishop of St. Louis and vocal opponent of giving communion to politicians who support abortion rights, told Catholics at a national prayer breakfast in Washington, D.C., that “with unparalleled arrogance, our nation is choosing to renounce its foundation on the faithful.”

He pointed to several Obama administration decisions that he said have damaged “the fundamental society that is the family,” citing the repeal of the conscience clause, which prohibits health care workers from refusing to participate in abortion-related services; repeal of the Mexico City policy, which allows federal funding to be used abroad to provide abortions; presidential support of the Freedom of Choice Act, which prevents government from in any way denying or interfering with a woman’s right to choose; and support of the U.S. Population Fund, which he noted supports China’s one-child policy.


15 posted on 05/17/2009 12:20:17 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ([Advocate for] Mitt Romney[?], God help you, but you're on the wrong website ~ Jim Robinson)
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Three-quarters of Catholics either approve of or offer no opinion on Notre Dame's decision to invite Obama, and the same percentage of U.S. bishops have opted to stay out of the fight.

The Catholic Church has systematically conflated tax-funded social welfare with "charity," arising out of a tragically-confused understanding of the Tenth Commandment. It is the nexus of "liberation theology."

16 posted on 05/17/2009 12:21:17 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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There is not Vatican opposition to what happened at Notre Dame this weekend.

And indeed you are wrong.

17 posted on 05/17/2009 12:21:19 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ([Advocate for] Mitt Romney[?], God help you, but you're on the wrong website ~ Jim Robinson)
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UPI story.

There are plenty more.

WASHINGTON, May 16 (UPI) -- Catholics who have protested Notre Dame University's commencement invitation to President Barack Obama have received no encouragement from the Vatican.

18 posted on 05/17/2009 12:22:02 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: RoadTest
It’s a diplomatic thing.

It is obvious that the church and the Pope have lost their way if this is the case.

Right, wrong, and serving The Lord and God are the bottom line. All else is less important.

19 posted on 05/17/2009 12:23:12 PM PDT by SteamShovel (When hope trumps reality, there is no hope at all.)
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I think that picture is of a student that was with a group that supported Obama at Notre Dame and he wasn’t being arrested just had his hands behind his back. There was a small group of Obama supporting students that came out when Keyes was arrested.

Also, Archbishop Burke, prefect of the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura at the Vatican has made statements about this.


20 posted on 05/17/2009 12:25:32 PM PDT by Chesterbelloc
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