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Housing Starts, Permits Both Unexpectedly Lower
CNBC online ^ | May 19, 2009

Posted on 05/19/2009 6:00:41 AM PDT by pleikumud

The Commerce Department said housing starts fell 12.8 percent to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 458,000 units, the lowest on records dating back to January 1959, from March's upwardly revised 525,000 units.

Compared to the same period last year, housing starts tumbled 54.2 percent.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: building; housing; starts; thecomingdepression
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Unemployment is headed for 15%. Then what will Obama and the Socialists do? Print more money?
1 posted on 05/19/2009 6:00:41 AM PDT by pleikumud
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To: pleikumud

There are stalled building projects all over Seattle....it’s amazing.


2 posted on 05/19/2009 6:02:31 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (ALSO SPRACH ZEROTHUSTRA)
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To: pleikumud

“Housing Starts, Permits Both Unexpectedly Lower”

Unexpectedly? What is this, humor?


3 posted on 05/19/2009 6:02:36 AM PDT by caver (Obama's first goals: allow more killing of innocents and allow the killers of innocents to go free.)
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To: pleikumud

I don’t see why local governments are handing out any permits to build new structures when the market is currently saturated with unsold inventory.


4 posted on 05/19/2009 6:04:05 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: pnh102

While I agree with your assertion I think it has to do with income they receive from said permits and subsequent inspections.


5 posted on 05/19/2009 6:05:14 AM PDT by MikeWUSAF (Extreme vitriol and rancorous replies served daily. - Mike W USAF)
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To: pleikumud
I heard yesterday or the day before that housing starts are up. What happened?
6 posted on 05/19/2009 6:07:51 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (LUV DIC -- L,U,V-shaped recession, Depression, Inflation, Collapse)
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To: pleikumud

Keep talking about ‘green shoots’ and ‘glimmers of hope’ to get you back into the stock market and get the rest of your money.


7 posted on 05/19/2009 6:08:42 AM PDT by blam
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To: pleikumud

This is unexpected? I expected it.


8 posted on 05/19/2009 6:08:45 AM PDT by KansasGirl
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To: pleikumud
Then what will Obama and the Socialists do? Print more money?

Why, raise taxes of course. You know, to "offset" the downturn in revenue.

9 posted on 05/19/2009 6:09:51 AM PDT by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

Builders who speculated in Seattle should’ve gambled somewhere else. There are states where building continues at a fast clip... see North Carolina.


10 posted on 05/19/2009 6:10:33 AM PDT by o2bfree
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To: pleikumud
If you "stress test" the banks and force ever higher reserve requirements, they can't loan any money. Construction dies. Layoffs ensue. People fail to make payments. Foreclosures deepen. Banks are forced to raise reserves...

What genius invented that loop?

11 posted on 05/19/2009 6:12:34 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (They were the Slave Party then; they are the Slave Party now.)
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To: pnh102

Think about what you just wrote....Great Socialist comment.


12 posted on 05/19/2009 6:12:56 AM PDT by captnorb
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To: pleikumud

The nice thing is the MSM will put the best spin possible on the news... they’ll do what they can to protect the illusions of liberals.


13 posted on 05/19/2009 6:13:07 AM PDT by GOPJ (If printing money was the answer, why don't Haitians "print" their way out of poverty?)
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To: pleikumud

“Unexpectedly” Lower

Really?


14 posted on 05/19/2009 6:13:07 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: pleikumud
Europe Shares Pare Gains After US Housing Data
15 posted on 05/19/2009 6:13:56 AM PDT by blam
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To: pleikumud

But...but...it was unexpectedly less unexpected than we expected, so this is a good thing! BUY BUY BUY!!!


16 posted on 05/19/2009 6:15:11 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (The worst is behind us. Unfortunately it is really well endowed.)
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To: pleikumud

“Analysts polled by Reuters ...”

Oh, them.


17 posted on 05/19/2009 6:15:15 AM PDT by maggief
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To: Psycho_Bunny
"There are stalled building projects all over Seattle....it’s amazing."

Only Michigan has a higher unemployment rate than Oregon.

18 posted on 05/19/2009 6:17:13 AM PDT by blam
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To: pnh102

I don’t see why local governments are handing out any permits to build new structures when the market is currently saturated with unsold inventory.


Because property rights aren’t extinguished in a downturn.

If I want to build my dream home on a lot I own, I can. I don’t have to buy the overpriced crap out there on the market.


19 posted on 05/19/2009 6:18:33 AM PDT by Beelzebubba (Typical "Rightwing Extremist")
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To: pleikumud

There is NOTHING unexpected about this... the only major people buying right now are FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS.. there is a glut of existing homes, the nation is seeing double digit unemployment or close too it in most places.... Builders are sitting on unsold inventory, etc etc etc. Even those that could move are holding tight where they are because of the uncertainty. Anyone shocked by a drop in housing starts has been blind as a bat.


20 posted on 05/19/2009 6:24:24 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: pnh102

“I don’t see why local governments are handing out any permits to build new structures when the market is currently saturated with unsold inventory.”

We don’t need gov’t deciding what private business should do. Do you realize that this is what you just encouraged?


21 posted on 05/19/2009 6:27:13 AM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT 2006; now living north of Tampa Bay)
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To: pnh102

Are you advocating (more) government control of housing inventory?


22 posted on 05/19/2009 6:27:31 AM PDT by PjhCPA
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To: o2bfree

Not *that* fast a clip. I’m in Nifongville (aka Durham) and while the economy in the Triangle isn’t nearly as bad as most other places, the job market here is still pretty craptacular and there aren’t nearly as many people coming in to take all these tech and biotech jobs...and a big chunk of those are foreigners on short-term visas. (My apartment complex near RTP is probably 40% Indian. Gotta love seeing street cricket games in the parking lot of the Lutheran church next door.)

The job market in IT is as bad as I’ve ever seen it in 22 years in the business. They may still be building houses here, but it’s way off the torrid pace of a few years ago.

}:-)4


23 posted on 05/19/2009 6:27:48 AM PDT by Moose4 (Hey RNC. Don't move toward the middle. MOVE THE MIDDLE TOWARD YOU.)
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To: caver
Unexpectedly? What is this, humor?

The Commerce Department must not realize that things are worse because of Obama and the new Secretary of Commerce...

24 posted on 05/19/2009 6:27:59 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: pleikumud

Housing starts are slow in my neck of the woods, at least according to a my realtor friend. He said sales of existing homes are up though. It makes sense because that 8k isn’t much when building a brand new house.


25 posted on 05/19/2009 6:28:30 AM PDT by TheThinker (America doesn't have a president. It has a usurper.)
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To: pleikumud
0 is slowly changing his tune in some regards...this article was expect by me. I saw the writing on the wall back 4Q 2007.

Folks, we ain't seen nuttin' yet....the LSM and the politicoho's are spin - spin - spinning. It's all the little tidbits like this plus what I see going on in my area.

The 'officials' are doing a major pee-pee dance trying to get the consumer to spend spend spend and go further in debt.

Lot's of people out of work with more huge layoffs coming soon to a town near you.

So, maybe the folks that still have some common sense and a little stuck back just aren't spending and ain't going to?

Here in central NC....crime is on a major upswing.

26 posted on 05/19/2009 6:28:52 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: RSmithOpt
Here in central NC....crime is on a major upswing.

Immigration and internal migration are changing NC at a rapid rate.

27 posted on 05/19/2009 6:31:42 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Moose4
Sleazy Easley & Co. are about to take a major hit it looks like.....Geeze....all the former goobernor's 2005 travel records mysteriously disappeared from the state Highway Patrols possession? How'd dat happen?

Looks like Mary too is in on a manure pile noting that 2 high up NCSU 'officials' have stepped down....ya think the Hunt machine is still workin' or not? You get a 110% raise this year working an extra 5-6 hrs a week?

28 posted on 05/19/2009 6:33:22 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: Dixie Yooper
This may only be my impression, but it seems that I hear an opposite financial report each day. Housing is trending up one day then down the next. Same for all economic indicators. So many stats rely on info weeks or months old and are assembled by groups that have an agenda. It is all useless except for market and political manipulation.
29 posted on 05/19/2009 6:33:37 AM PDT by Never on my watch (If Obama isn't a tyrant, then tell me what a tyrant would do differently)
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To: blam

Isn’t Seatle in Washington State? Last I checked Portland was in Oregon


30 posted on 05/19/2009 6:35:01 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town
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To: pleikumud
"Unemployment is headed for 15%. Then what will Obama and the Socialists do? Print more money?

Eight years into the 1930's depression, FDR had unemployment at 17%. And every Democrat alive thinks those were good numbers (because they with served up with homey fireside chats with crackling firewood and the aroma of fresh-burning dollars).

"We have nothing for beer, but beer itself."

31 posted on 05/19/2009 6:36:19 AM PDT by cookcounty (He who controls the Language controls the Debate.)
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To: kabar
re: #27....ya think? Ever notice how the illegal immigration costs in NC are never talked about in the local news here in NC? One of the 4 liberal safe havens for illegals in the nation thanks to guv Sleazy and the DimNut controlled legislature.

Guv Bev is on happy mood leveling pills these days as we are 6-7 billion in the budget hole now......NC use to be a real nice place back prior 1995 and really cool in in the '70's...now transplants have soiled the landscape and the goobermint.......of course the NC Legislature does really important stuff like banning smoking.

State and local goobs will not completely eliminate ineffective wasteful spending programs and that question is never asked in the news.

32 posted on 05/19/2009 6:38:43 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: pleikumud

This is tough for the construction industry, but exactly what the rest of the country needs.


33 posted on 05/19/2009 6:39:19 AM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: pleikumud

Unexpectedly? We’re in the middle of a massive collapsing asset bubble. What’s wrong with these people?!?!?


34 posted on 05/19/2009 6:39:50 AM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (What did Obama's Teleprompter know, and when did it know it...)
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To: caver
Unexpectedly? What is this, humor?

My thoughts exactly. What kind of moron is taken by surprise by news like this?

This country has a huge oversupply of housing units. What could possibly lead one to expect growth in new construction?

35 posted on 05/19/2009 6:41:02 AM PDT by Zeddicus
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To: caver

Unexpected by who? These peple obviously need some new forecasters.


36 posted on 05/19/2009 6:41:07 AM PDT by csmusaret (http://www.aipnews.com/)
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To: blam

Markets climb 3% on better than expected disaster.


37 posted on 05/19/2009 6:41:07 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: blam

“Only Michigan has a higher unemployment rate than Oregon.”

And we worked darn hard for that, mister!


38 posted on 05/19/2009 6:42:36 AM PDT by VanDeKoik (Enemy of the state since 1978!)
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To: HamiltonJay

Don’t forget that the unfinished properties are units that could quickly be converted into sellable inventory or that there are a number of potential sellers out there who would put their stuff up on tha market in a heartbeat if they could.

It’s a lot worse than the morons in the media would have you believe.


39 posted on 05/19/2009 6:43:23 AM PDT by misterrob (FUBO----Just say it, Foooooooooooooo Bohhhhhhhhh. Smooth)
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To: Jim from C-Town
"Isn’t Seatle in Washington State? Last I checked Portland was in Oregon"

Yup. Boy, am I embarrassed.

I was in Seattle just after the World's Fair in 1962.

40 posted on 05/19/2009 6:44:52 AM PDT by blam
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Unexpectedly? What is this, humor?

But, but, but - the recession is over! Obama has solved all problems, and The New Age is upon us! The stock market is going up again! It's End of the Business Cycle! We can start back on our national credit binge!

Disclosure: Long on Karl Denninger, short on Obama's Unicorn Party and the skittles that it produces...

41 posted on 05/19/2009 6:46:15 AM PDT by an amused spectator (Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz's lawn jockey doesn't speak Austrian)
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To: pleikumud

Housing starts and permits are both at RECORD lows. The point of recognition that any recovery will be “L” shaped hasn’t been reached yet.


42 posted on 05/19/2009 6:46:36 AM PDT by Need4Truth (Washingtin DC is a foreign entity.)
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To: pleikumud

How can this be? My local newspaper tells me every day about “positive signs” for an “improved economy.”

As liberals so like to say: “WTF?”


43 posted on 05/19/2009 6:46:54 AM PDT by Captain Jack Aubrey (There's not a moment to lose.)
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To: blam
Only Michigan has a higher unemployment rate than Oregon.

Michigan has a collapsed auto industry and an entrenched lunatic Socialist government. What's Oregon's excuse? I would presume also an entrenched lunatic Socialist government?

44 posted on 05/19/2009 6:47:11 AM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (What did Obama's Teleprompter know, and when did it know it...)
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To: pleikumud

The Obama “RECOVERY” is well underway.


45 posted on 05/19/2009 6:48:48 AM PDT by LeonardFMason
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To: Beelzebubba
If I want to build my dream home on a lot I own, I can. I don’t have to buy the overpriced crap out there on the market.

That's right. In my area one housing development has been struggling-lot's of empty new homes/prices slashed. 3 miles away a new development opened last summer with 3-5 acre mini farms. All 16 lot's are sold except 2(crappy lot's left) and 7-8 homes are built or are being started.

46 posted on 05/19/2009 6:52:25 AM PDT by tc45a
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To: VanDeKoik
And we worked darn hard for that, mister!

Jennifer "Jenny Grabtax" Granholm is a LOT smarter than that stupid inbred trailer-trash cow, Sarah Palin.

I'll bet Granholm could have Alaska back to the Neolithic Period in three months if they turned her loose up there. ;-)

Disclosure: The city manager of my population 3,000 town makes more than Palin, TSITTC©

47 posted on 05/19/2009 6:52:25 AM PDT by an amused spectator (Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz's lawn jockey doesn't speak Austrian)
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To: caver

Just as someone was saying on another thread. Since housing sales were up, I guess the analysts figured housing starts would go up. But the housing sales that are being made are foreclosed properties that are selling at bargain basement prices. And those cheap prices aren’t going away anytime soon, there’s a glut of foreclosures that haven’t even hit the market yet.


48 posted on 05/19/2009 6:55:11 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: kabar

I don’t even recognize NC anymore. It’s finished. I think we’re going to have to move north and take over a state like PA since so many of them and Jerseyites and New Yohkas have moved in down here. Not to mention the Hispanics.


49 posted on 05/19/2009 6:56:02 AM PDT by amishman (0bama=the reincarnation of Jim Jones)
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To: amishman
You guys must be really strong with all that diversity.

Diversity is our strength, remember?

50 posted on 05/19/2009 6:59:02 AM PDT by blam
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