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Housing Starts, Permits Both Unexpectedly Lower
CNBC online ^ | May 19, 2009

Posted on 05/19/2009 6:00:41 AM PDT by pleikumud

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Just checked the Nymex. guess what...oil and gas both still going up.

The gas prices are getting beyond ridiculous and outrageous.

Oil is still int the same trading range of slightly below 60, but Nymex gas keeps skyrocketing, and it is frankly pissing me off.

Speculators must be banned.

Anybody who says the oil market follows logic and fundamentals is crazy. It is pure speculation and manipulation.


81 posted on 05/19/2009 10:05:33 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: pnh102

I don’t see why local governments are handing out any permits to build new structures when the market is currently ...

Because, in this context, they have zero legal authority to tell any citizen what he can or cannot do with his own legally owned land


82 posted on 05/19/2009 10:16:32 AM PDT by bill1952 (Power is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: bill1952
Because, in this context, they have zero legal authority to tell any citizen what he can or cannot do with his own legally owned land

Regardless of the legal merit, local governments can and do impose significant limitations on what people can do with their "legally owned land" (which you don't own anyway, skip a property tax payment and you'll see). Zoning laws and building codes come to mind.

83 posted on 05/19/2009 10:28:24 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: pleikumud

They’ll continue to tell us how great things are. :) And of course the Hussein worshiping media will repeat the lie.


84 posted on 05/19/2009 11:00:10 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I'm SO glad I no longer belong to the party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
What's Oregon's excuse?

Old hippies, dirt worshipers and pinkos.

85 posted on 05/19/2009 11:31:45 AM PDT by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm
But...but...it was unexpectedly less unexpected than we expected, so this is a good thing! BUY BUY BUY!!!

Heh... :-)

86 posted on 05/19/2009 12:23:18 PM PDT by Oliver Optic
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To: rwfromkansas

You wrote:
Just checked the Nymex. guess what...oil and gas both still going up.

The gas prices are getting beyond ridiculous and outrageous.

Oil is still int the same trading range of slightly below 60, but Nymex gas keeps skyrocketing, and it is frankly pissing me off.

Speculators must be banned.

Anybody who says the oil market follows logic and fundamentals is crazy. It is pure speculation and manipulation.


You sound like Senator Bill Nelson (D-FL). How do you propose to ban worldwide speculation? With the UN dictating prices? It’s impossible. Who would you blame for the huge decline in oil prices since last year? Oil prices are going up because people feel commodities are a good bet.


87 posted on 05/19/2009 1:01:19 PM PDT by pleikumud
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To: pleikumud

True. And that means the oil market is NOT based on supply and demand as some Freepers like to say.

It is not a rational market and needs reigned in.


88 posted on 05/19/2009 1:13:10 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: pleikumud

Steel production is way down. We are in for a lot more hurt.


89 posted on 05/19/2009 6:55:43 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: pnh102
I don’t see why local governments are handing out any permits to build new structures when the market is currently saturated with unsold inventory.

Um, because we don't live in the economic hell of a centrally planned economy (yet), but with even FReepers asking questions like this we're well on our way.

90 posted on 05/19/2009 7:01:25 PM PDT by LikeLight (http://www.believersguidetolegalissues.com)
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To: rwfromkansas
Speculators must be banned.

Where am I? Bad day for the invisible hand on FReep.

91 posted on 05/19/2009 7:09:23 PM PDT by LikeLight (http://www.believersguidetolegalissues.com)
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To: kabar

Those numbers are just mind-blowing...


92 posted on 05/20/2009 7:59:40 AM PDT by amishman (0bama=the reincarnation of Jim Jones)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

There are stalled building projects all over Seattle....it’s amazing.
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My wife and I own the place where we live debt free. For years we have talked about moving west either into the far western part of South Carolina or into Western North Carolina but mountain property had taken a big jump in price recently. I am wondering now if prices will fall to the point that we can buy that place in the hills and keep what we have. I don’t think we could possibly sell what we have for enough to be worth doing it. A house on a lot adjoining our property is supposed to be sold now with a closing date coming up on the 25th but it was on the market almost a year and is selling for little more than half what the owner originally expected to get. A nice 3 bed, 2 bath on a 2 acre lot adjoins our peoperty on the other side and it has just been foreclosed on and is back on the market.

The other side of the coin is will things get so bad we can’t afford to eat even if we do own our home debt free? I am very pessimistic about the future.


93 posted on 05/20/2009 9:58:53 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Change has come to America and all hope is gone.)
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