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To: Ken H; metmom; Tennessee Nana; greyfoxx39; Elsie; Zakeet; Colofornian; BibChr; Alamo-Girl; ...
The language is clear. Rich people don't enter the Kingdom. I'll wager that you and I are rich by any world or historic standard. We have luxuries and comforts that Roman emperors couldn't imagine, not to mention IRAs, health insurance and various other secular goodies. If the Bible is indeed inerrant, then I'm afraid we'll both end up as illustrated in your post #22!

You could not be more mistaken. That is not the message of Luke 17, as I stated to you earlier.

You do not end up in Hell because you have not sold everything and given it all away. That is not what Christ was saying.

That is false doctrine, contrary to scripture, and untrue.

I was suspicious that you were trying to take scripture and twist the story of Luke 17 out of context; and give it that un-biblical spin from the beginning by the nature of your question.

That is why I included all that I did in my post #41 to you - to include the truth in Ephesians 2:8 that we are saved from Hell by Grace through faith.

Alas, I am not able to get through to you on this. I am pinging some other Freeper Christians who are more eloquent than I - and I hope they can provide you further scriptual proof of why you are mistaken.

It is a very important topic - and there is no other topic that is more important to your eternal destiny than this one.

45 posted on 05/20/2009 10:44:14 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot; Ken H; metmom; Tennessee Nana; greyfoxx39; Elsie; Zakeet; Colofornian; BibChr
Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!

Possessions are an illusion.

The earth [is] the LORD'S, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein. - Psalms 24:1

They are however a persistent illusion and so a wealthy Christian often has difficulty realizing that all that he is and all he touches or controls or administers in this life is not his, but God's.

What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? - I Corinthians 6:19

And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. - Matthew 19:24

It always comes down to "who do you believe?"

The Christian who truly loves God surpassingly above all else, believes Him and trusts Him - does not cling to any thing or any one in this mortal life. He does not see himself as an owner but as a steward and is not at risk should God put many things under his administration.

For [the kingdom of heaven is] as a man travelling into a far country, [who] called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.

And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.

Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made [them] other five talents. And likewise he that [had received] two, he also gained other two. But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money.

After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.

And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more. His lord said unto him, Well done, [thou] good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them. His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed: And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, [there] thou hast [that is] thine. His lord answered and said unto him, [Thou] wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed: Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and [then] at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.

Take therefore the talent from him, and give [it] unto him which hath ten talents.

For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath. - Matthew 25:14-29

To God be the glory!

46 posted on 05/20/2009 11:20:59 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: SkyPilot; Ken H

God doesnt mind us having riches..

He owns the cattle on a thousand hills...

He just want the riches to “own” us...

The rich man didnt end up in Hell because he was rich...Luke 16:20-31

otherwise Jesus would have ended his story right there...

“There was a certain rich man and he died and was “buried”

In Luke 17: 18-29 Jesus knew that the young man was unwilling to part with his riches because he loved his riches more than God...

Mary, Martha, and their brother Lazarus had land and wealth, but Jesus never told them to give everything away...

Why not ???

Because their riches did not “own” them...

John 12:1 Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.

Jhn 12:2 There they made him a supper; and Martha served: but Lazarus was one of them that sat at the table with him.

Jhn 12:3 Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment.

Jhn 12:4 Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon’s son, which should betray him,

Jhn 12:5 Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor? John 12:1-5


53 posted on 05/20/2009 1:44:26 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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