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Overlooked and new testimony supports idea of al Qaeda presence in Saddam Hussein's Iraq
Regime of Terror ^ | 5-25-09 | Mark Eichenlaub

Posted on 05/25/2009 10:02:19 AM PDT by ikez78

Over the past many months a number of interviews, documents, admissions and other revelations have come to light that continue to undermine the notion that al Qaeda and al Qaeda linked groups were not able to operate inside Iraq during the rule of Saddam Hussein. These findings match up with some of the older and overlooked reports on the hotly contested that may now deserve re-examination.

A study by The Combating Terrorism Center at West Point of al Qaeda documents deemed the "Sinjar Records" indicates that al Qaeda was, in fact, able to operate inside the country during the rule of the former regime. The center also has previously posted internal al Qaeda documents in which al Qaeda members revealed to one another that "some of them went to Saddam" likely in referrence to al Qaeda members fleeing Afghanistan to Iraq.

(Excerpt) Read more at regimeofterror.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; iraq; iraqalqaeda; saddam; tm
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1 posted on 05/25/2009 10:02:19 AM PDT by ikez78
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To: Torie; Rameumptom; mnehrling; SJackson; weegee; texanyankee; 1035rep; roses of sharon; ...

PING


2 posted on 05/25/2009 10:03:59 AM PDT by ikez78 (http://www.regimeofterror.com - Saddam Hussein and terrorism)
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To: ikez78
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What, me worry?

3 posted on 05/25/2009 10:06:39 AM PDT by newheart (Obama. We kind of underestimated the creepiness.)
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To: ikez78

It’ll never be published by the NYT.


4 posted on 05/25/2009 10:17:58 AM PDT by Freee-dame
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To: ikez78

Innerestin’


5 posted on 05/25/2009 10:28:01 AM PDT by El Sordo
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gonna need more details....before this is sufficiently ignored by the msm


6 posted on 05/25/2009 10:35:16 AM PDT by raygunfan
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To: ikez78

Great information, but the source author needs to find a good editor, lots of typos and grammar problems!


7 posted on 05/25/2009 10:45:07 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: ikez78

Great information, but the source author needs to find a good editor, lots of typos and grammar problems!


8 posted on 05/25/2009 10:45:11 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: ikez78
Is anyone actually surprised? Hummm, well maybe the moon-bats. History is a funny thing I'm sure that in due time we will hear about all kinds of stuff.
9 posted on 05/25/2009 10:47:44 AM PDT by WHBates
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To: ikez78

Bookmarked


10 posted on 05/25/2009 11:03:34 AM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: ikez78

Thanks for the ping Ikez78.

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http://www.ctc.usma.edu/harmony/pdf/CTCForeignFighter.19.Dec07.pdf
COMBATING TERRORISM CENTER AT WEST POINT - Harmony Project
“AL-QA’IDA’S FOREIGN FIGHTERS IN IRAQ
A First Look at the Sinjar Records”
by Joseph Felter and Brian Fishman
(December 19, 2007)


11 posted on 05/25/2009 11:08:36 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: ikez78

Saddam Hussein: Formally jihadi #1 and the tutti capo tutti of arab terrorism.


12 posted on 05/25/2009 11:10:49 AM PDT by Blue State Insurgent (NO, YOU CAN'T.)
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To: ikez78
Wow this is good stuff. How did you know I wanted to read this? ha


thank you
BTW -
Here is a good link for the Sinjar Records in English (606 names)
http://www.ctc.usma.edu/harmony/FF-Bios-Trans.pdf

13 posted on 05/25/2009 11:12:44 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: ikez78

Expect the authors to suddenly find their positions eliminated or downgraded to GS-3.


14 posted on 05/25/2009 11:25:25 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: ikez78
I am a bit confused on this.

I have been reading that the combat captured insurgents have been mostly foreign fighters. This report is specific to the Al Qaeda (Al Qa’ida) originated ISI organization. In this report it states that the vast majority of the fighters today have nothing to do with Al Qaeda but the report doesn’t state were those groups originated from.

Who are the other groups and are they mostly home grown combatants or mostly foreign fighters?

15 posted on 05/25/2009 11:28:54 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ...
A study by The Combating Terrorism Center at West Point of al Qaeda documents deemed the "Sinjar Records" indicates that al Qaeda was, in fact, able to operate inside the country during the rule of the former regime. The center also has previously posted internal al Qaeda documents in which al Qaeda members revealed to one another that "some of them went to Saddam" likely in referrence to al Qaeda members fleeing Afghanistan to Iraq.
Image and video hosting by TinyPic "Let's be clear on this -- there wasn't any al-Qaeda in Iraq until the Bush administration invaded that country. If you want a second opinion about this, ask me again in a couple of weeks."

16 posted on 05/25/2009 11:31:40 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Kansas58

please point them out. i am the author and did it very late. sorry.


17 posted on 05/25/2009 11:54:14 AM PDT by ikez78 (http://www.regimeofterror.com - Saddam Hussein and terrorism)
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To: Kansas58

editing now...


18 posted on 05/25/2009 12:04:24 PM PDT by ikez78 (http://www.regimeofterror.com - Saddam Hussein and terrorism)
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To: ikez78
“These findings match up with older reports on the hotly contested that may now deserve reexamination.”

Should say, “-— hotly contested ISSUE that —”

19 posted on 05/25/2009 12:30:01 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: ikez78

It looks like you caught the other ones.
That, or I was being too critical! ;)


20 posted on 05/25/2009 12:34:11 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58

I am an English teacher and, quite frankly, I have no business posting something with all those errors. Thanks for reminding me. It should be fixed now.


21 posted on 05/25/2009 12:35:54 PM PDT by ikez78 (http://www.regimeofterror.com - Saddam Hussein and terrorism)
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To: SunkenCiv; All
"Saudi Arabia was by far the most common nationality of the fighters’ in this sample; 41% (244) of the 595 records that included the fighter’s nationality indicated they were of Saudi Arabian origin.7" That is a direct testament to two things: (1)How the Wahabi form of Islam supports the radicalization of Muslims and (2)How much greater is the financial support that can accompany radicals coming from Saudi Arabia than other places. Only Libya stands as near equal to Saudi Arabia, as a source of foreign Jihadis into Iraq, not due to total numbers (Libya is much smaller than Saudi Arabia, by population), but on a per-capita basis: (>15, <20 fighters per million residents, for Libya, vs <10 fighters per million residents for Saudi Arabia. The high degree of influence of Islamic educators (like with the Wahabis) in generating Jihadis is most likely also reflected in the data that shows 55% were between the ages of 21-25 and almost 43% gave their occupation as "student". The fanaticism from that education is reflected in the data showing the work the fighters wanted to pursue, in their Jihad in Iraq, with 56% listing "Suicide Bomber" as their terrorist occupation of choice. The report notes (page 28) "Universities have become a critical recruiting field for al‐Qa’ida". One of the interesting pieces of data that additional analysis on could prove useful is the data on page 22 of the report. It reflects the monthly arrivals of the foreign fighters into Iraq. This data should be given some comparative analysis with U.S. combat data, "IED" data, and "suicide bomber" data, for the same time periods; particularly if that data is capable of identifying who the "suspected" insurgents were believed to be, or later proven to be, in each event. One of the interesting and totally resonant conclusions in the report is that Al Queda and it's affiliates have been a failure in Iraq. What this demonstrates is that contrary to being a "distraction" for the U.S., or a "quagmire" for the U.S., it, Iraq, has been both a distraction and a quagmire for Al Queda. Al Queda's myths about itself, about it's abilities, about it's popular support have proven to be just that in Iraq - myths, and the Iraqi people have witnessed the unmasking of those myths.
22 posted on 05/25/2009 12:40:43 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: jveritas

ping if you weren’t included in some of the ping lists below. You had it nailed 3 years ago.


23 posted on 05/25/2009 12:43:05 PM PDT by saganite (What would Sully do?)
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To: ikez78

And just like the documents that were released that proved that Sen Joe McCarthy was indeed correct, we will never hear about them in the MSM. This is getting really pathetic!


24 posted on 05/25/2009 12:45:32 PM PDT by claymax
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To: devolve; ikez78

25 posted on 05/25/2009 12:49:44 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: potlatch

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Another oldie potlatch!


26 posted on 05/25/2009 12:55:31 PM PDT by devolve ( . . . . . . . . . Obama confiscated Teacher & Police Union pension funds? . . . . . . . . . . .)
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To: devolve

Sure is, huh!


27 posted on 05/25/2009 1:04:41 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: potlatch


These were originally <table bg graphics I posted on FR

980x760 :


28 posted on 05/25/2009 1:21:42 PM PDT by devolve ( . . . . . . . . . Obama confiscated Teacher & Police Union pension funds? . . . . . . . . . . .)
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To: devolve

[These were originally <table bg graphics I posted on FR ]

Not really, all the ones I found - and I have been through all of them - were regular size. You started making them a larger size later on.


29 posted on 05/25/2009 1:25:32 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: Wuli

There is an important factor that is over looked considering Libya. Saddam sent 20,000 Iraqi’s to Libya before the war in order to build WMD’s which after the war we dismantled. If we looked into those figures more I would bet many of those from Libya were part of those workers.


30 posted on 05/25/2009 1:44:43 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: ikez78

The proof is in the pudding in regards to AQ having direct links and being a welcomed element in Iraq during the Saddam regime.

The AQ element of the Iraqi “insurrection” made itself known way too early in the program to have been a recent arrival.

Such organizations can not, do not and will not just suddenly appear, armed, organized and fighting. The leadership of that organization must have access to safe houses, safe travel routs, arms caches, contacts and a pool of known facilitators before the organization can begin to mount offensive ops.

A note on perspective in this Long War. Focusing on AQ makes as much sense as focusing only on the Japanese Naval units that participated in the attack on Pearl Harbour. Enemy is enemy and ALL enemy must be engaged and eliminated, including all their allies, friends, supporters, associates and any other like minded persons.

Ansar al Islam was reason enough to validate the need to go into Iraq and break the program there.


31 posted on 05/25/2009 1:56:07 PM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: ikez78

mark for later.


32 posted on 05/25/2009 1:56:44 PM PDT by Dinah Lord (fighting the Islamofascist Jihad - one keystroke at a time...)
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To: potlatch

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Large is good


33 posted on 05/25/2009 4:27:28 PM PDT by devolve ( . . . . . . . . . Obama confiscated Teacher & Police Union pension funds? . . . . . . . . . . .)
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To: potlatch; devolve; ikez78; FARS; Grampa Dave; MeekOneGOP; Wuli

Saudi Arabia was by far the most common nationality of the fighters in this sample; 41% (244) of the 595 records that included the fighter’s nationality indicated they were of Saudi Arabian origin. That is a direct testament to two things: (1)How the Wahabi form of Islam supports the radicalization of Muslims and (2)How much greater is the financial support that can accompany radicals coming from Saudi Arabia than other places.

34 posted on 05/25/2009 4:50:49 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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To: devolve

I was surprised how few graphics of Iraq I made.


35 posted on 05/25/2009 4:55:27 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: PhilDragoo; devolve

Good post Phil


36 posted on 05/25/2009 4:56:35 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: potlatch; calex59
It's been suggested the Saudi Prince al-Taleel (through al-Mansour) paid for Hussein's 75K Harvard tuition.

And of course Bill Ayers, the "guy who lives in my neighborhood", just happened to be revolutionary comrades with Klonsky the Beijing-sojourner.

Uncle Frank in the cell with Grampa Stanley.

All de Mombasa clan be Muslim, while all de Dunhams be Reds.

Oh my.

37 posted on 05/25/2009 5:00:53 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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To: ikez78

Good Work Mark

Part 1 Joseph Shahda Iraqi documents

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBQ7zRby2SU&feature=channel_page

Part 2 Joseph Shahada Iraqi Documents... Read More

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9itSoqnf1V4&feature=channel_page


38 posted on 05/25/2009 5:02:46 PM PDT by april15Bendovr (Free Republic & Ron Paul Cult = oxymoron)
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To: PhilDragoo; devolve

[It’s been suggested the Saudi Prince al-Taleel (through al-Mansour) paid for Hussein’s 75K Harvard tuition.]

We know ‘someone like that’ did. Wish it could be proven, it would be a bombshell!


39 posted on 05/25/2009 5:05:16 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: saganite; ikez78
Thank you both for the ping. One day the truth will fully come out about Saddam regime relation to islamic terrorism and the WMD programs that they did not stop working on until the fall of the regime and the liberation of Iraq in 2003.

Excellent article Mark.

40 posted on 05/25/2009 5:16:17 PM PDT by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
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To: april15Bendovr
Chris

Long time no see FRiend :) I hope that everything is well with you.

41 posted on 05/25/2009 5:17:53 PM PDT by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
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To: jveritas

“One day the truth will fully come out about Saddam regime relation to islamic terrorism and the WMD programs”

And when that day comes some here, including me, will remember your work to reveal that truth.


42 posted on 05/25/2009 5:19:11 PM PDT by saganite (What would Sully do?)
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To: saganite

Thank you very much my FRiend :)


43 posted on 05/25/2009 5:21:21 PM PDT by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
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To: ikez78
Journalism here,

I once turned in the SAME paper, at WSU, for a Journalism class and an English class.

Journalism paper came back marked up in red: my sentences were TOO long, and I did not use enough paragraphs.

English paper came back marked up in red: my sentences were TOO short, and I used too many paragraphs!

Hey, I understand.

I make lots of mistakes too, and for some reason it is easier to catch the mistakes of others than it is to catch your own!

44 posted on 05/25/2009 5:26:12 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: jveritas

I’m good Joseph

I just wish I had more time on my hands.

I would love to travel around and interview people for a documentary but I am finding my time to be very limited.

It is sad because we should really educate the public on all this information.

We need an Iraq truth tea party.


45 posted on 05/25/2009 5:39:04 PM PDT by april15Bendovr (Free Republic & Ron Paul Cult = oxymoron)
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To: ikez78

bttt


46 posted on 05/25/2009 5:43:50 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: april15Bendovr
I have a feeling that Saddam WMD subject is going to come back again strongly on the political scene.
47 posted on 05/25/2009 5:47:44 PM PDT by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
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To: jveritas; ikez78
I would like to see a branch of The Heritage Foundation make sure that all this info is historically accurate.
48 posted on 05/25/2009 5:54:49 PM PDT by april15Bendovr (Free Republic & Ron Paul Cult = oxymoron)
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To: april15Bendovr

I hope they do.


49 posted on 05/25/2009 6:03:59 PM PDT by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
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To: ikez78

Thanks. Will bookmark for later reading.


50 posted on 05/25/2009 6:18:23 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (I still believe Duncan Hunter would have been the best solution... during this interim in time....)
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