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Texas balks at Hollywood take on Waco tragedy
chron.com ^ | May 30, 2009 | ALLAN TURNER

Posted on 05/30/2009 8:37:24 PM PDT by smokingfrog

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To: bigbob

Or John Goodman?

61 posted on 05/30/2009 10:53:06 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet ("The unarmed man is not just defenseless - he is also contemptible." Machiavelli)
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To: 9422WMR
When I was growing up I had the greatest respect for law enforcement. I knew friendly policemen and sheriffs. As a serviceman, I felt I was a part of the system protecting the American way of life and it included our justice system. While I wanted the nations enemies to fear me, I always wanted Americans to know I was one of them.

Today, the friendly neighborhood cop is almost nonexistent. I used to think it was because society had become so unfriendly that they were always on edge. But I run into more and more evidence that a gestapo attitude is bread into cops at the police academy level now.

I have a friend who just went through a year of training and after one month could not stand the job anymore, not because of dealing with the bad guys, but because too many cops got their rocks off by rousting people because the “looked like trouble”. It wasn't about right or wrong, it was a contest of who could get their name in the station log for the most arrests.

Also, this friend was a paramedic before he went to the police academy, so he knew how to drive and how to safely get through red lights (not much good is an ambulance that never makes it to the emergency). But in cop training, he was always being pressured to “floor it” through the intersections, no regard for civilians in the chase.

I still want to respect the law, but too much power in any ones hands can be dangerous, and too much power/testosterone with a ‘roust em down’ attitude means the cops are never your friends anymore. They want to be feared, not just be criminals, but by all. Something wrong there.

Well, Waco seems to be a natural conclusion to this mentality. But the mentality is there every day.

62 posted on 05/30/2009 10:54:41 PM PDT by Magnum44 (Terrorism is a disease, precise application of superior firepower is the cure)
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To: bigbob

Actually - I think Blogovitch would do a fine job as Reno.


63 posted on 05/30/2009 10:54:48 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Magnum44

” he was always being pressured to “floor it” through the intersections, no regard for civilians in the chase.”

tell me about it.

I almost got ran over by a cop gunning it down a side street when I was 8 months pregnant.
No lights on - no siren.

I called the station and told them the exact time it happened and to check if there really was an emergency - and btw - isn’t it illegal to drive like that without the lights and siren?

Yeah - what’re the chances anyone looked into it?


64 posted on 05/30/2009 10:58:18 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Brucifer
Believe it or not, Abe Vigoda is still alive and kicking!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abe_Vigoda

65 posted on 05/30/2009 11:09:52 PM PDT by Lockbar (March toward the sound of the guns.)
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To: Scotswife
Its a tough and mostly thankless job, no doubt. But the part that seems missing now is any connection to the good people of a community. No public relations or good will.

I have tried on numerous occasions in very nonthreatening ways just to say hi and strike up a conversation with cops in local shops, same as I would thanking a serviceman or woman I might see at the airport.

But the cops always react as if I was a potential perp approaching them, turning holster away and standing ready to draw. I am not any physical threat at my height or age. I am clean, shaven, and dress decently. But that reaction is about all it takes to kill any good will or salutation I might have given the officer.

66 posted on 05/30/2009 11:11:12 PM PDT by Magnum44 (Terrorism is a disease, precise application of superior firepower is the cure)
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To: 9422WMR

The ATF began its investigation of Koresh & the Davidians during the GHW Bush administration.


67 posted on 05/30/2009 11:53:01 PM PDT by karnage
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To: smokingfrog

If the story is important enough to tell, then damn well tell it accurately. DO NOT consolidate actions of two men and attribute them to one man.

Do the dead children not deserve an accurate telling of this story?


68 posted on 05/31/2009 12:06:18 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama is mentally a child of ten. Just remember that when he makes statements and issues policy.)
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To: Navy Patriot
But then, that would have been the prerogative of Bush 43, wouldn't it?

I was amazed at the lack of interest in whatever Clinton engaged in by the GW crew. Is this a perk relied upon by any new administration? Or is it only NOT applied to Republicans.(advanced interrogation techniques, etc.)

Waco is a good example of the lack of tolerance liberals have for 'diversity' and the degree to which they (tyrants) will go to supress dissent. I fully expect Bozama to meet or exceed past atrocities committed by his brethren.

Under that cool veneer lies one mean, nasty, "my momma didn't love me", liberal. And, with Rahm whispering in his ear, he is destined to take tyranny to new heights. Rahm-y is about the sickest pile ever produced in Chicago and yet, serves as Chief of Staff, no doubt.

These stupid, power hungry madmen would be their own undoing, were it not for the average, stupid, voter. Blagojevich could pee on Ophra's leg and the audience would say it's raining. What have we wrought from this windy city? An ill wind, that's what.

The reason Obysmal hasn't responded effectivly to N. Korea is that he's a Skoal brother with Kim. Collectivists all, they cherish the defeat of the 'Individual'. In some countries they drive tanks over individuals. In our country, you're simply made a pariah for running a business in your own interest (profit) instead of the collective (carbon emissions, social do-goodisms, etc.). The tyranny Boy President is poised to unleash is unparalleled. "We Won", and all that.

69 posted on 05/31/2009 12:10:18 AM PDT by budwiesest (How many idiots does California get to send to Washington, D.C.?)
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To: Patrick1

David Koresh could have been taken peaceably just about any time the government officials wanted. He ran down the country roads every other day or so.

He knew the sheriff quite well. They talked from time to time.

Koresh was a bit loopy, but we have a constitution that protects our right to be loopy, if we so choose.

Please don’t suggest Perez Hilton as if to mock Koresh. The BATF and the FBI were way off the reservation here. Koresh did not cause this. The government did.

He and his people were exterminated by the government. Lampoon the government if you like. Those who were exterminated by the government, deserve some respect IMO.


70 posted on 05/31/2009 12:12:18 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama is mentally a child of ten. Just remember that when he makes statements and issues policy.)
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To: pepsionice

Koresh and company didn’t have that many guns. One of the people who lived on the farm had a gun sales permit. Koresh and that individual had sold guns for an extended period of time under that license. They did so to help support the farm. It was perfectly legal.


71 posted on 05/31/2009 12:15:51 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama is mentally a child of ten. Just remember that when he makes statements and issues policy.)
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To: Centurion2000

Actually, the drug angle was drumed up so they could use the hueys and tanks. The national guard could not have provided them, unless drugs were involved. This was just one more of the lies the government used to assault the Davidians.


72 posted on 05/31/2009 12:17:33 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama is mentally a child of ten. Just remember that when he makes statements and issues policy.)
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To: DoughtyOne
If the story is important enough to tell, then damn well tell it accurately.
Amen to that!

By now, we practically have a whole generation of young people that probably know little or nothing about what happened at Waco, but can surely tell you that some right wing wacko named Timmothy McVeigh blew up a building in Oklahoma City.

The full story needs to be told.

73 posted on 05/31/2009 12:19:17 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( Don't mess with the mockingbird! /\/\ http://tiny.cc/freepthis)
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To: Eagles6

On this matter, I wouldn’t trust anything on Wikipedia.

It’s hard enough keeping things straight that we have reliable evidence of.

Anyone could use Wikipedia to disseminate disinformation.


74 posted on 05/31/2009 12:22:18 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama is mentally a child of ten. Just remember that when he makes statements and issues policy.)
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To: 3catsanadog

I think you have some valid points there. What bothers me about Waco is the amount of government abuse that took place in conjunction to that operation.

IMO, Waco was the most brutal abuses of power enacted by our government against low level citizens, in our nation’s history.

They burned those people alive, and even strove to burn the children as well.

This was your Biblical level bad guys killing people and their offspring unto the second generation, all in the interest of blood lust revenge.

In it’s category, it doesn’t compare to 09/11, the OKC Bombing, or Pearl Harbor. As it relates to what our government can and is willing to do to us, lie about it, cover it up, and reward the perps, it is far worse.


75 posted on 05/31/2009 12:28:14 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama is mentally a child of ten. Just remember that when he makes statements and issues policy.)
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To: epow

It will most certainly make the Texas branch of the BATF and the FBI look as bad as many war criminals.

As for Texas, I would only say that it’s governor sure remained silent, as his states’ citizens were turned to ashes.


76 posted on 05/31/2009 12:31:00 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama is mentally a child of ten. Just remember that when he makes statements and issues policy.)
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To: smokingfrog

Amen!


77 posted on 05/31/2009 12:31:39 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama is mentally a child of ten. Just remember that when he makes statements and issues policy.)
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To: Magnum44

It’s sad, but from my observation being an officer changes you. You just begin to look at everyone as a potential perp. Everything is second guessed. People are sized up constantly. They just can’t turn it off. Family is just as suspect as anyone else. I’ve had law enforcement in the family. I’ve seen others as well.


78 posted on 05/31/2009 12:36:32 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama is mentally a child of ten. Just remember that when he makes statements and issues policy.)
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To: Magnum44
I have a friend who just went through a year of training and after one month could not stand the job anymore, not because of dealing with the bad guys, but because too many cops got their rocks off by rousting people because the “looked like trouble”. It wasn't about right or wrong, it was a contest of who could get their name in the station log for the most arrests. Also, this friend was a paramedic before he went to the police academy, so he knew how to drive and how to safely get through red lights (not much good is an ambulance that never makes it to the emergency). But in cop training, he was always being pressured to “floor it” through the intersections, no regard for civilians in the chase.


So this friend attended an academy deep in the Smokey Mountains? Otherwise I call your story Bull$pit unless your friend was Seth Rogan from Superbad.

79 posted on 05/31/2009 12:53:47 AM PDT by brent1a (You're a great American! NO, YOU'RE A GREAT AMERICAN! No, you're a great American!!!!)
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To: DoughtyOne
They just can’t turn it off.
I see, so when a police officer takes off his uniform/badge he totally ceases to be a police officer? I got it now. Kind of like when a paramedic goes off duty he ceases to be a paramedic.....someone choking in a restaraunt by his table? So what he's off duty so he's not a paramedic. A cop is off-duty buying milk and the store gets robbed in front of him? So what he's off duty so he needs to "shut it off" and not be a cop since he's off duty.
80 posted on 05/31/2009 12:58:39 AM PDT by brent1a (You're a great American! NO, YOU'RE A GREAT AMERICAN! No, you're a great American!!!!)
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