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Krugman: Reagan Did It(financial mess) [[Barf]]
NY Times ^ | 06.01.09 | Paul Krugman

Posted on 05/31/2009 11:41:16 PM PDT by libh8er

...There’s plenty of blame to go around these days. But the prime villains behind the mess we’re in were Reagan and his circle of advisers — men who forgot the lessons of America’s last great financial crisis, and condemned the rest of us to repeat it...

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...But there was also a longer-term effect. Reagan-era legislative changes essentially ended New Deal restrictions on mortgage lending — restrictions that, in particular, limited the ability of families to buy homes without putting a significant amount of money down.

These restrictions were put in place in the 1930s by political leaders who had just experienced a terrible financial crisis, and were trying to prevent another. But by 1980 the memory of the Depression had faded. Government, declared Reagan, is the problem, not the solution; the magic of the marketplace must be set free. And so the precautionary rules were scrapped.

Together with looser lending standards for other kinds of consumer credit, this led to a radical change in American behavior...

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To: libh8er

He’s so smart he’s about to be unemployed...


21 posted on 06/01/2009 12:47:39 AM PDT by DB
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To: libh8er

Why not blame Thomas Jefferson ?

He screwed things up I bet


22 posted on 06/01/2009 12:51:44 AM PDT by woofie
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To: libh8er

LOOKS PRETTY BI-PARTISAN

Wikipedia says:

The bill, whose full title was “An Act to revitalize the housing industry by strengthening the financial stability of home mortgage lending institutions and ensuring the availability of home mortgage loans,” was a Reagan Administration initiative.[2]

The bill is named after its sponsors, Congressman Fernand St. Germain, Democrat of Rhode Island, and Senator Jake Garn, Republican of Utah. The bill had broad support in Congress, with co-sponsors including Charles Schumer and Steny Hoyer.[3] The bill passed overwhelmingly, by a margin of 272-91 in the House.[4]

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d097:HR06267:@@@P

COSPONSORS

Rep Annunzio, Frank [IL-11]
Rep Aspin, Les [WI-1]
Rep AuCoin, Les [OR-1]
Rep Barnard, Doug, Jr. [GA-10]
Rep Blanchard, James [MI-18]
Rep D’Amours, Norman E. [NH-1]
Rep Fauntroy, Walter E. [DC]
Rep Ford, William D. [MI-15]
Rep Garcia, Robert [NY-21]
Rep Guarini, Frank J. [NJ-14]
Rep Heftel, Cecil [HI-1]
Rep Howard, James J. [NJ-3]
Rep Hoyer, Steny H. [MD-5]
Rep Hubbard, Carroll, Jr. [KY-1]
Rep LaFalce, John J. [NY-36]
Rep Mattox, James A. [TX-5]
Rep McKinney, Stewart B. [CT-4]
Rep Minish, Joseph G. [NJ-11]
Rep Mitchell, Parren J. [MD-7]
Rep Moffett, Toby [CT-6]
Rep Murphy, Austin J. [PA-22]
Rep Oakar, Mary Rose [OH-20]
Rep Ottinger, Richard L. [NY-24]
Rep Pepper, Claude [FL-14]
Rep Reuss, Henry S. [WI-5]
Rep Schumer, Charles E. [NY-16]
Rep Simon, Paul [IL-24]
Rep Vento, Bruce F. [MN-4]

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SUMMARY

Title I: Deposit Insurance Flexibility - Deposit Insurance Flexibility Act - Part A - Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation Amendments - Amends the Federal Deposit Insurance Act to authorize the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) to make loans to, make deposits in, purchase the assets or securities of, assume the liabilities of, or make contributions to, any insured bank if such action is taken: (1) to prevent the bank’s closing; (2) to restore a closed insured bank; or (3) to lessen the risk to the Corporation posed by an insured bank under the threat of instability due to severe financial conditions.

Authorizes the FDIC, in order to facilitate a merger or consolidation of an insured bank or the sale of assets of such insured bank and the assumption of its liabilities, or the acquisition of its stock, to: (1) purchase any such assets or assume such liabilities; (2) make loans or contributions to, or deposits in, or purchase the securities of, such institution; (3) guarantee it or the company which controls or will acquire control of it against loss by reason of merging or consolidating; or (4) any combination of the above.

Prohibits the FDIC from using such authority to purchase the voting or common stock of an insured bank.

Requires the Corporation, in its annual report to Congress, to report the total amount it has saved by exercising the authority provided in this Act.

Amends the Home Owner’s Loan Act of 1933 to permit the Home Loan Bank Board to authorize the conversion of a State-chartered savings bank insured by the FDIC into a Federal savings bank. Requires continued FDIC insurance coverage for a converted bank.

Permits such a conversion only where: (1) the board of trustees of the bank has specified in writing that the bank is in danger of closing or is closed, or that severe financial conditions exist that threaten the bank’s stability and a conversion is likely to improve its financial conditions; and (2) the board of trustees has requested in writing that the FDIC use such authority.

Amends the National Housing Act to grant the Federal Home Loan Bank Board the same supervisory powers with regard to a FDIC insured federal savings bank that it has with other Federal associations.

Amends the Federal Deposit Insurance Act to allow a closed insured bank with assets of a specified amount, or insured banks with specified assets which are in danger of closing, to be acquired by out of State banks or holding companies. Permits the FDIC, in the case of a closed bank, to sell the assets of such bank and arrange for the assumption of its liabilities by an insured depository institution located in the same State.

Permits the FDIC, in the case of an insured bank with a certain amount of assets which is in danger of closing, to arrange an acquisition by an insured depository institution located in the State where the insured bank is chartered.

Amends the Bank Holding Company Act of 1956 to permit a waiver of notice and hearing requirements to allow the Federal Reserve to approve emergency acquisitions of thrift institutions by commercial banks.

Part B - Federal Home Loan Bank Board Amendments - Amends the Home Owners’ Loan Act to allow the Federal Home Loan Bank Board to authorize a mutual institution to become, or merge into, a newly-chartered, Federal stock savings bank.

Amends the National Housing Act to permit the Federal Savings and Loan Insurance Corporation (FSLIC) to provide assistance to insured institutions when severe financial conditions exist which threaten the stability of a significant number of insured institutions. Includes deposits in the institution or the purchase of securities as a type of assistance. Prohibits FSLIC purchase of the voting or common stock of an insured bank.

Permits the Corporation to authorize an insured institution eligible for assistance to merge with any other insured institution or an FDIC insured bank or to be acquired by any holding company.

Amends the Federal Home Loan Bank Act to waive the requirement when severe financial conditions exist that a portion of net earnings of the banks be set aside semiannually to a reserve account, and to allow the banks to pay dividends from undivided profits.

Amends the National Housing Act to permit the FSLIC to borrow from the Federal Home Loan banks. Requires the rate on such a loan to be at least the bank’s marginal cost of funds, with adequate security.

Permits the FSLIC, if extraordinary financial conditions exist, to terminate distribution of shares of the secondary reserve and utilize said reserve on the same basis as the primary reserve.

Part C - Credit Unions - Amends the Federal Credit Union Act to permit the National Credit Union Administration Board to authorize: (1) a merger or consolidation of an insured credit union which is insolvent, or is in danger of insolvency, with any other insured credit union; or (2) a purchase and assumption by an insured credit union of all or any part of the assets and liabilities of any other insured credit union which is in such danger.

Permits the Board, ex parte without notice, to appoint itself as conservator and immediately take possession and control of the business and assets of any insured credit union where: (1) such action is necessary to conserve the assets of such a credit union; (2) the credit union consents to such an action; and (3) in the case of an insured State-chartered credit union, the State credit union supervisor is consulted at least 24 hours before the use of this authority by the Board.

Part D - Sunset Provisions - Terminates the emergency provisions contained in Title I of this Act three years after the date of enactment.

Title II: Net Worth Certificates - Net Worth Certificate Act - Amends the National Housing Act and the Federal Deposit Insurance Act to authorize the FSLIC and the FDIC to increase or maintain the capital of a qualified institution by making periodic purchases of capital instruments (”net worth certificates”).

Declares that each Insurance Corporation, with respect to the certificates held by it, shall have a priority over any claim arising out of an equity interest in an insured bank in the event of a liquidation or reorganization and over any right of equity holders to participate in future earnings.

Requires such a bank to have: (1) a prospective net worth of at most three percent of its assets; (2) losses for two consecutive quarters; (3) a net worth of not less than one-half of one percent of assets after any purchase of its net worth certificates by the Corporation; and (4) investments in residential mortgages or mortgage-backed securities equal to at least 20 percent of its loans.

Sets forth the initial net worth certificates that the FSLIC and the FDIC may purchase. Allows the FSLIC and the FDIC to establish criteria which, with respect to ranges of net worth, calculation of losses, and percentage of losses to be met by purchases of net worth certificates, differ from such criteria set forth by this Act.

Prohibits both the FSLIC and the FDIC from using their authority to purchase the voting or common stock of a qualified institution.

Prohibits any such assistance from being provided to a qualified institution if the FSLIC or the FDIC determines that providing such assistance would be costlier than liquidating such institution.

Terminates the provisions of this title three years after the enactment of this Act.

Title III: Thrift Institutions Restructuring - Thrift Institutions Restructuring Act of 1982 - Part A - Form of Charter; Demand Accounts - Amends the Home Owners’ Loan Act of 1933 to authorize the Federal Home Loan Bank Board to charter Federal stock banks as well as savings and loan associations and mutual savings banks for investment and credit purposes in addition to the provision of home financing.

Permits a Federal savings and loan association to raise capital in the form of demand accounts.

Specifies that all savings accounts and demand accounts will have the priority upon liquidation.

Reduces from 30 days to 14 days the statutory notice-of-withdrawal period for savings accounts.

Repeals the prohibition against the issuance of capital stock by Federal savings and loans. Grants any association the authority to issue such capital stock.

Permits any institution that is a Federal Home Loan Bank member (or is eligible to become a member) to convert to a Federal savings and loan association, a Federal savings bank, or a Federal mutual savings bank (and from the mutual form to the stock form, or vice versa).

Revises the procedures and requirements for conversion of any Federal association back to a State type institution.

Allows any aggrieved person to obtain review of a final action of the Board or the FSLIC which approves or disapproves a plan of conversion from the mutual to the stock form.

Permits any Federal savings bank chartered before the enactment of this Act or any Federal savings bank formerly organized as a mutual savings bank to continue to make any investment or engage in any activity not otherwise authorized by this Act to the degree it was authorized to do so.

Amends the National Housing Act to retain FSLIC jurisdiction over State mutual to State stock conversion involving insured institutions.

Eliminates specified reporting requirements concerning such conversion activity. Repeals the prohibition against the creation of Federal stock institutions in States where stock associations do not exist.

Part B - Investments - Amends the Home Owners Loan Act of 1933 to expand investment authority of associations with respect to: (1) overdrafts; (2) real property loans; (3) time deposits; (4) State securities; (5) consumer loans; (6) personal property; (7) education loans; (8) housing and land development loans; (9) foreign assistance investments; (10) small business investment companies; (11) commercial loans.

Provides for the phase-out before January 1, 1984, of interest rate differentials for any category of deposits or accounts between any bank and any savings and loan.

Requires the Depository Institutions Deregulation Committee to authorize not later than 60 days from enactment of this Act a new account that will enable depository institutions to compete with money market mutual funds.

Declares that no limitation on the maximum rate or rates of interest payable on deposit accounts shall apply to such accounts.

Prohibits any association from conditioning an extension of credit on the purchase of a product from the association.

Prohibits any association from establishing, retaining, or operating a branch outside the State in which the association has its home office, unless the association qualifies as a domestic building and loan association.

Prohibits any savings and loan holding company whose subsidiary insured institution fails to qualify as a domestic building and loan association from commencing, or continuing for more than three years after such failure, any business activity other than those specified for multiple savings and loan holding companies and their subsidiaries.

Part C - Preemption of Due-on-Sale Prohibitions - Permits a lender to enter into or enforce a contract containing a due-on-sale clause with respect to a real property loan. Postpones until three years after enactment of this Act authorization to enforce a due-on-sale clause in the case of any contract involving a real property loan made or assumed during a period when a State had prohibited due-on-sale clauses. Permits a State legislature to enact laws within such three-year period with respect to loans originated in non-Federal institutions. Permits the Comptroller of the Currency and the National Credit Union Administration to regulate similar loans originated by national banks or federal credit unions.

Sets forth circumstances under which a lender may not exercise its option under a due-on-sale clause.

Declares that such rules and regulations may permit a lender to exercise its option under a due-on-sale clause with respect to a real property loan and any related agreement under which a borrower obtains the right to receive future income.

Part D - Miscellaneous - Amends the Home Owners’ Loan Act of 1933 to allow the courts to assess attorneys’ fees against the Federal Home Loan Bank Board only when the agency loses the case.

Grants authority to compensate members of the Federal Savings and Loan Advisory Council.

Amends the Federal Home Loan Bank Act to require a five-year waiting period before an institution which has withdrawn from membership may acquire new membership in any Federal Home Loan Bank, except where such withdrawal is a consequence of a transfer of membership on a non-interrupted basis between banks.

Title IV: Provisions Relating to National and Member Banks - Part A - General Provisions - Amends Federal law to permit a national bank to make unsecured loans in an amount up to 15 percent of its unimpaired capital and surplus, plus an additional ten percent on the loans fully secured by readily marketable collateral.

Permits the Comptroller of the Currency to prescribe rules and regulations defining or further defining terms used in determining when loans or extensions of credit to one person shall be deemed to be loans or extensions of credit to any other person.

Repeals existing limits on indebtedness incurred by a national banking association.

Amends the Federal Reserve Act to permit a national banking association to make loans secured by liens on interests in real estate.

Permits notes representing loans to finance the construction of residential or farm buildings and having maturities of less than nine months to be eligible for a discount as commercial paper within the terms of such Act if accompanied by a valid and binding agreement to advance the full amount of the loan upon the completion of the building.

Repeals the authority of a national banking association to act as broker for real estate loans in places with population of 5,000 or less.

Allows the Comptroller to issue a certificate of authority to commence the business of banking to a national banking association which is organized solely to do business with other financial institutions if such association is owned exclusively by other depository institutions and is engaged exclusively in providing banking services for other banks.

Permits an association to purchase for its own account shares of stock of a national banking association which is organized solely to do business with other financial institutions.

Permits actions and proceedings against any national bank for which the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation has been appointed as receiver to be brought in any district or territorial court of the United States within the district in which such bank is located, or in any State, county, or municipal court having jurisdiction in similar cases, in the county or city in which such bank is located.

Authorizes a national bank to open or close, at its discretion, on a legal holiday declared by a State or District of Columbia official, unless the Comptroller directs otherwise.

Amends the Depository Institutions Deregulation and Monetary Control Act of 1980 to provide the authority to terminate the closed receivership fund for national banks which have been closed and for which the Comptroller has appointed a receiver other than the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation.

Adds to such Act a Part C - Disposition of Unclaimed Property Recovered from Closed National Banks. Sets forth the procedures for disposition of unclaimed property in the possession, custody, or control of the Comptroller which was recovered from closed national banks. Authorizes the Comptroller to issue rules and regulations necessary to appropriate to carryout such disposition.

Banking Affiliates Act of 1982 - Amends the Federal Reserve Act to permit a member bank to engage in any credit or investment transaction with bank or nonbank affiliates, so long as the member bank and its affiliates are 80 percent owned by the same bank or bank holding company. Sets forth limitations on transactions between a member bank and its holding company.

Exempts financial institutions with less than a specified amount of total deposits from the reserve requirements of the Monetary Control Act of 1980.

Declares that no national bank shall be subject to any visitorial powers except as authorized by Federal law, vested in the courts of justice, or exercised or directed by Congress. Permits State auditors to review bank records for compliance with State unclaimed property or escheat laws, but only upon reasonable cause to believe a bank has not complied.

Permits a national banking association that holds real estate that, since December 31, 1979, has not been valued on its books for more than a nominal amount, to continue to hold such real estate for the length of time a State chartered bank would be permitted by the law of the State in which the association is located.

Part B - Financial Institutions Regulatory Act Amendments - Amends the Federal Reserve Act to eliminate size limits on loans to executive officers of member banks for real estate loans and loans for children’s education and authorizes the Federal banking agencies to determine the limit on other loans.

Amends the Federal Reserve Act to repeal the reporting requirements on all loans made by a bank to its executive officers.

Requires the prior approval of the board of directors of a bank in the case of loans to executive officers, directors, and principal shareholders or their related interest aggregating more than a specified amount.

Amends the Federal Deposit Insurance Act to exclude any foreign bank having an insured branch in the United States from provisions of such Act relating to loans, extensions of credit, and other dealings between member banks and their affiliates. Applies such provisions to the insured bank itself.

Amends the Federal Reserve Act, the Home Owners’ Loan Act, the Bank Holding Company Act of 1956, and the Bank Holding Company Act Amendments of 1970 to permit the agency having authority to impose a civil monetary penalty under such Act to compromise, modify, or remit, in its discretion any civil monetary penalty which is subject to imposition or has been imposed under such authority.

Provides for the removal of a management official of a federally chartered or federally insured depository institution for a violation of the Depository Institution Management Interlocks Act.

Revises the reporting requirements of the Bank Holding Company Act Amendments of 1970 relating to loans received from banks maintaining correspondent accounts.

Revises the reporting requirements of the Federal Deposit Insurance Act relating to the disclosure of material facts.

Title V: Amendments to the Federal Credit Union Act - Amends the Federal Credit Union Act to permit boards of directors to establish the par value of shares.

Permits the investment and reinvestment of such portions of the annual operating fees deposited as are not needed for current operations. Requires such investments to be made only in interest bearing securities of the United States.

Permits the National Credit Union Association Board to set maximum maturity limits on real estate loans.

Eliminates the requirement that the sales price of real estate be not more than 150 percent of the median sales price of residential real property situated in the geographical area of the property’s location.

Permits a Federal credit union to refinance a mortgage.

Increases the amount which directors and credit union committee members can borrow without Board approval.

Permits a Federal credit union on a first or second mortgage loan to require that any partial prepayments be: (1) made on the date monthly installments are due; and (2) in the amount of that part of one or more monthly installments which would be applicable to principal.

Permits a Federal credit union to make investments in obligations of, or issued by, any State or political subdivision except that no credit union may invest more than ten percent of its unimpaired capital and surplus in the obligations of any one issuer.

Permits Federal credit unions to make deposits in banks or institutions whose accounts are insured by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation or the Federal Savings and Loan Insurance Corporation.

Permits a credit union to provide money transfer services.

Permits annual meetings of each Federal credit union to be held whenever its bylaws shall prescribe (presently they must be held in January, February, or March).

Makes a credit committee optional for a credit union, rather than mandatory.

Requires dividends to be paid on all funds in the regular share account once a full share has been purchased, if the par value of a share exceeds five dollars.

Permits the board of directors of a Federal credit union, by majority vote of a quorum of directors, to adopt a policy with respect to expulsion from membership based on nonparticipation by a member in the affairs of the credit union.

Declares that any central credit union chartered by the Board shall be subject to the rules, regulations, and orders of the Board and shall be vested with or subject to the same rights, duties, liabilities, and limitations that would apply to all Federal credit unions.

Declares that approval of a proposition for conversion from Federal to State credit union, or vice versa, shall be by the affirmative vote of a majority of the members of the credit union who vote on the proposal.

Provides for equal insurance treatment of state and Federal credit unions when both have funds deposited in a Federally insured credit union.

Eliminates partial year National Credit Union Administration insurance premiums and rebates.

Permits the National Credit Union Administration Share Insurance Fund to borrow from the Central Liquidity Facility.

Authorizes the Central Liquidity Facility to act, upon the request of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System, as an agent of the Federal Reserve System in matters pertaining to credit unions.

Requires the National Credit Union Administration Board to study the feasibility and desirability of permitting Federal credit unions to compensate members of their boards of directors.

Title VI: Property, Casualty, Life Insurance Activities of Bank Holding Companies - Amends the Bank Holding Company Act of 1956 to prohibit bank holding companies and their subsidiaries from selling insurance as principals, agents, or brokers except: (1) where the insurance secures an extension of credit in the event of death, disability, or the involuntary unemployment of the debtor; (2) where the insurance is declining balance credit property insurance, sold by a subsidiary finance company, to protect against loss or damage to collateral security an extension of credit of $10,000 or less (adjusted by the Consumer Price Index with 1982 as the base year); (3) any insurance agency activity in a community of less than 5,000 or which has inadequate insurance agency facilities; (4) any insurance agency activity lawfully engaged in by a bank holding company on May 1, 1982; (5) certain supervisory activity over agents who sell insurance covering a holding company’s property and employees; (6) any insurance agency activity, except the sale of unauthorized life insurance or annuities, conducted by a bank holding company or its subsidiary which has less than $50,000,000 in total assets; and (7) any insurance activity of a registered bank holding company which engaged in such activities, with Federal Reserve Board approval, before January 1, 1971.

Title VII: Miscellaneous - Amends the Truth in Lending Act to exempt loans made, insured, or guaranteed pursuant to the Higher Education Act of 1965 from the provisions of such Act.

Exempts arrangers of credit from the provisions of the Truth in Lending Act.

Amends the Federal Deposit Insurance Act to make industrial banks eligible for FDIC insurance.

Amends the International Banking Act of 1978 to redefine the term “domestically-controlled affiliate covered in 1978”.

Makes States and local governments eligible for NOW accounts.

Amends the Federal National Mortgage Association Charter Act to permit the Association to have preferred stock on such terms and conditions as the board of directors shall prescribe.

Amends the Federal Reserve Act to change the phase-in date for reserve requirements from July 1, 1979, to March 31, 1980.

Amends the Bank Service Corporation Act to permit an insured bank to invest not more than ten percent of paid-in and unimpaired capital and unimpaired surplus in a bank service corporation. Limits such investment to no more than five percent of the insured bank’s total assets.

Sets forth the activities that a bank service corporation may perform for depository institutions and for other persons.

Requires prior approval by a bank’s appropriate Federal banking agency for investments in bank service corporations.

Prohibits bank service corporations from unreasonably discriminating in the provision of any services to any depository institution that does not own stock in it because such nonstockholding institution competes with a stock-owning institution.

Subjects a bank service corporation to examination and regulation by the appropriate Federal banking aency of its principal investor, to the same extent as such investor.

Amends the Neighborhood Reinvestment Corporation Act to permit a director who is necessarily absent from a meeting of the board to participate in such meeting through a duly designated representative.

Designates the building known as the Federal Reserve Board Building, in Washington, D.C., as the Marriner S. Eccles Federal Reserve Board Building.

Requires the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, the Federal Savings and Loan Insurance Corporation, and the National Credit Union Administration Board to each study: (1) the current system of deposit insurance; (2) the feasibility of providing depositors the option to purchase additional deposit insurance covering deposits in excess of the general limit provided by law and the capabilities of the private insurance system, either directly or through reinsurance, to provide risk coverage in excess of the general statutory limit; (3) the feasibility of basing deposit insurance premiums on certain risks; (4) the impact of expanding coverage; (5) the feasibility of revising the deposit insurance system to provide greater protection to small depositors and greater discipline to large depositors; (6) the adequacy of existing public disclosure regarding insured depository institutions; (7) the feasibility of consolidating the three separate insurance funds; and (8) other related issues.

Title VIII: Alternative Mortgage Transactions - Alternative Mortgage Transaction Parity Act of 1982 - Authorizes all housing creditors to make, purchase, and enforce alternative mortgage transactions provided the transactions are authorized by, and in accordance with, regulations governing alternative mortgage transactions issued by: (1) the Comptroller of the Currency for national banks (with respect to banks); (2) the National Credit Union Administration Board for Federal credit unions (with respect to credit unions); or (3) the Federal Home Loan Bank Board for federally chartered savings and loan associations (with respect to all other housing creditors).

Defines an “alternative mortgage transaction” as a loan or credit sale which is secured by real property, a dwelling, all stock allocated to a cooperative unit, or a manufactured home and which involves other than a traditional fixed-rate, fixed-term transaction.

Allows housing creditors to make such transactions notwithstanding any State constitution, law, or regulation, unless the voters of a State approve a provision stating that such State does not want the provisions of this title to apply to transactions subject to laws of that State.


23 posted on 06/01/2009 1:13:38 AM PDT by midway
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To: libh8er

I blame Polk.


24 posted on 06/01/2009 1:45:32 AM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Daisyjane69
Beware of anyone (conservative or liberal) that assigns blame for our economic problems to a single event, person or group.
25 posted on 06/01/2009 1:57:11 AM PDT by Red Dog #1
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To: libh8er

I have seldom seen a bigger basket of horse apples.


26 posted on 06/01/2009 2:20:28 AM PDT by Jack Hammer (here)
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To: libh8er
But the prime villains behind the mess we’re in were Reagan and his circle of advisers ...

WHAT???? And this man won a Nobel Prize for economics?

27 posted on 06/01/2009 2:29:12 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: nathanbedford
Clinton's logic: I should have regulated derivatives but did not, nevertheless, it is the Republicans' fault because they would have opposed what I did not propose.

Typical Clintonian Byzantine logic....

28 posted on 06/01/2009 2:33:16 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: libh8er

This rates as the dumbest opinion this year.


29 posted on 06/01/2009 2:37:12 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Hey GOP follow Dick Cheney's lead)
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To: DB

Not so quick. His fulltime job is as a Princeton Professor and believe it or not he gets paid for TV Commentary appearances. He also got a Noble prize that probably was worth about a $1M. It just proves that even idiots can make money.


30 posted on 06/01/2009 2:42:02 AM PDT by Old Retired Army Guy (tHE)
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To: woofie

I blame Hamilton and dishonest Abe, Teddy R., Wilson, FDR, Jimmah & Clintoon followed by Marx, the Keynesians and the international collective borg including the AIC banksters.
Krugman is a little Eichmannn and a tool!


31 posted on 06/01/2009 2:47:11 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: iopscusa

Yep- Hamilton and many others who favored a central bank ultimately are to blame. We imported the practice from the Bank of England, along with fractional reserve banking- a Ponzi scheme and a fraud which should be immediately outlawed.

The Federal Reserve and in fact the global banking cartel are at the root of this, and governments love it because the crisis gives them a pretext for a power grab over free individuals.

The icing on the cake is our departure from the gold standard under Nixon. Fractional Reserve Banking and a gold standard can’t coexist, since one is inherently inflationary and one is honest.


32 posted on 06/01/2009 3:05:31 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Truly Constitutional money isn't just backed by gold and silver- it IS gold and silver.)
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To: bushwon
Shame on him. He was there & he knows he is WRONG—those restrictions were eased under Clinton in the 90s & Clinton took public credit for it! A Home for everyone and a chicken in every pot. That credo is not Reaganomics!

The Community Reinvestment Act was enacted in 1977. It was revised for the first time in 89 under the 101st Congress and signed by Bush 1, and further massaged by Clinton and Bush 2- making it worse each time.

The Glass Steagal Act was repealed under Clinton by Phil Gramm and others, with Larry Summers (super-genius) cheerleading it all the way.

This setup massive fraud with Fannie and Freddie, which were corrupt to begin with, and roped in the mathematically unsustainable Federal Reserve System banking sector.

It's a poison recipe that eventually collapsed under its own weight.

33 posted on 06/01/2009 3:15:09 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Truly Constitutional money isn't just backed by gold and silver- it IS gold and silver.)
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To: libh8er
Krugman is an idiot of the first water.

He is trying to blame a President who left office 20 years ago.

34 posted on 06/01/2009 3:18:53 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: ovrtaxt
Fractional Reserve Banking is a huge problem and Richard Nixon should be added to the list of Presidential Rats....matter of fact, which POTUS can be excluded from the Rat List? Washington, Reagan...??
35 posted on 06/01/2009 4:00:09 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: djsherin; rabscuttle385; TigerLikesRooster; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

So we have two simple narratives from the two sides, liberals like this ‘award winning’ Krugman say it’s just not enough government regulation that created the problem, caused by conservative ideas like free markets,as if Barney Frank and democrats were trying to make it harder to get a house with regulations like this common-sense 20% rule.

Then the Bush/Levin/Hannity-bots say it’s all because the CRA forced banks to give home loans they shouldnt have, as if Republicans were warning us about the economy and housing boom being a house of cards.

But the reality is both sides thought the homeownership boom was great (or at least said so) until it crashed. Both sides LOVE low interest rates and the creation of new money by the federal reserve when they get to spend it and claim it’s their ‘economic growth’. The same goes for loosening regulations like this common-sense 20% rule.


36 posted on 06/01/2009 5:15:53 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Socialist Conservatives: "'Big government is free because tax cuts pay for it'")
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To: bushwon
"Shame on him. He was there & he knows he is WRONG?those restrictions were eased under Clinton in the 90s & Clinton took public credit for it!"

I'll check my facts when I get a chance, but I'm quite sure the loosening of lending policies for Fannie / Freddie came from Carter, and then were further loosened by Clinton. Reagan had the least to do with the bubble than any president since FDR, other then taming interest rates from the usury levels under Carter.

37 posted on 06/01/2009 7:31:55 AM PDT by uncommonsense (liberals see what they believe and conservatives believe what they see)
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To: uncommonsense

You are correct that the Act was actually passed under Carter, however, it was the Clinton administration & his Attny Gen that applied the pressure to banks, etc.

According to Wikipedia (which I don’t like to use, but it was easly) In 1995, the GSE’s like Fannie Mae began receiving government tax incentives for purchasing mortgage backed securities which included loans to low income borrowers. Thus began the involvement of the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac with the subprime market.[103] In 1996, HUD set a goal for Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac that at least 42% of the mortgages they purchase be issued to borrowers whose household income was below the median in their area. This target was increased to 50% in 2000 and 52% in 2005.[104] From 2002 to 2006, as the U.S. subprime market grew 292% over previous years, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac combined purchases of subprime securities rose from $38 billion to around $175 billion per year before dropping to $90 billion per year, which included $350 billion of Alt-A securities. Fanny Mae had stopped buying Alt-A products in the early 1990’s because of the high risk of default. By 2008, the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac owned, either directly or through mortgage pools they sponsored, $5.1 trillion in residential mortgages, about half the total U.S. mortgage market.[105] The GSE have always been highly leveraged, their net worth as of 30 June 2008 being a mere US$114 billion.[106] When concerns arose in September 2008 regarding the ability of the GSE to make good on their guarantees, the Federal government was forced to place the companies into a conservatorship, effectively nationalizing them at the taxpayers’ expense.[107][108]

The Glass-Steagall Act was enacted after the Great Depression. It separated commercial banks and investment banks, in part to avoid potential conflicts of interest between the lending activities of the former and rating activities of the latter. Economist Joseph Stiglitz criticized the repeal of the Act. He called its repeal the “culmination of a $300 million lobbying effort by the banking and financial services industries...spearheaded in Congress by Senator Phil Gramm.” He believes it contributed to this crisis because the risk-taking culture of investment banking dominated the more conservative commercial banking culture, leading to increased levels of risk-taking and leverage during the boom period.[109] The Federal government bailout of thrifts during the savings and loan crisis of the late 1980s may have encouraged other lenders to make risky loans, and thus given rise to moral hazard.[110][35]

Conservatives have also debated the possible effects of the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA), with detractors claiming that the Act encouraged lending to uncreditworthy borrowers,[111][112][113][114] and defenders claiming a thirty year history of lending without increased risk.[115][116][117][118] Detractors also claim that amendments to the CRA in the mid-1990s, raised the amount of mortgages issued to otherwise unqualified low-income borrowers, and allowed the securitization of CRA-regulated mortgages, even though a fair number of them were subprime.[119][120]

Both Federal Reserve Governor Randall Kroszner and FDIC Chairman Sheila Bair have stated their belief that the CRA was not to blame for the crisis.[121]

Central banks manage monetary policy and may target the rate of inflation. They have some authority over commercial banks and possibly other financial institutions. They are less concerned with avoiding asset price bubbles, such as the housing bubble and dot-com bubble. Central banks have generally chosen to react after such bubbles burst so as to minimize collateral damage to the economy, rather than trying to prevent or stop the bubble itself. This is because identifying an asset bubble and determining the proper monetary policy to deflate it are matters of debate among economists.[123][124]

Some market observers have been concerned that Federal Reserve actions could give rise to moral hazard.[35] A Government Accountability Office critic said that the Federal Reserve Bank of New York’s rescue of Long-Term Capital Management in 1998 would encourage large financial institutions to believe that the Federal Reserve would intervene on their behalf if risky loans went sour because they were “too big to fail.”[125]

As someone who applied for & obtained 3 mortgages in the 80s, I was told that I needed pmi if I put down less than 20%. No one offered me ARMS, no money down, subsidized mtgs., etc.

I think to blame this on Reagan is a true disservice and a further revision of history.


38 posted on 06/01/2009 8:15:52 AM PDT by Freedom56v2 (If you think health care is expensive now, just wait till it is free PJ Orourke)
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To: Merta
Normally Presidents are not allowed to have more than two terms in office, yet FDR ran again for a third term when we were not at war yet.

The 22nd Amendment to the Constitution limits a president to two terms. It was not proposed until March 24, 1947 and enacted on February 27, 1951. There just hadn't been any previous presidents who wanted and won three terms.

39 posted on 06/02/2009 5:30:57 PM PDT by Freee-dame
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To: Freee-dame

I worded it wrong. TR sounded like he wanted to be President again for a third term under a different political banner(which in itself was unusual because normally a President sticks to their party to their dying day), yet he didn’t, and nobody else sought and nobody won a third term before and after FDR, who even went for a fourth term. My mistake on wording.


40 posted on 06/02/2009 7:07:20 PM PDT by Merta (But I May Be Wrong)
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