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Jill Stanek: Late-term abortion endangered? Hardly
WorldNetDaily ^ | 6/3/09 | Jill Stanek

Posted on 06/03/2009 2:09:39 PM PDT by wagglebee

I was shocked and dismayed when learning Kansas abortionist George Tiller had been murdered by a vigilante.

Tiller was a ghastly late-term abortionist, but he should not have been murdered, just as he should not have murdered 60,000 children throughout his years of practice. I pray for Tiller's soul. I pray also for Tiller's wife, four children and 10 grandchildren, not only for their tragic loss but also for the tragic legacy Tiller left behind.

It is falsely claimed Tiller was one of only three late-term abortionists in the U.S., for instance, in the New York Times:

Some described Dr. Tiller as one of about only three doctors in the country who had, under certain circumstances, provided abortions to women in their third trimester of pregnancy, and said his death would mean that women, particularly in the central United States, would have few if any options in such cases.

Apparently, it was Tiller himself who started it. According to The Guardian:

Tiller testified … that he owns one of only three clinics in the U.S. that perform late-term abortions, which are performed on foetuses that could survive outside the mother's womb.

Before I get to my point, I want to make another.

The third trimester begins at 28 weeks of pregnancy, when healthy babies have more than a 90 percent chance of surviving.


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KEYWORDS: abortion; moralabsolutes; prolife; tiller
In an event I can't imagine, that a mother would die in her third trimester were her baby not aborted, it has always been legal in every hospital in every state to do so to save a mother's life, and it always will be.

And yet the abortionists hold this and rape as the reason for murdering over 3500 babies each day.

1 posted on 06/03/2009 2:09:40 PM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 06/03/2009 2:10:08 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 06/03/2009 2:10:36 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Jill is a much better Christian than I am. Praying for this man would be equivalent to praying for the Devil himself IMHO.


4 posted on 06/03/2009 2:11:29 PM PDT by pray4liberty (http://www.foundersvalues.com/)
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To: wagglebee

Are there any restrictions on later term abortions in oh so proud Europe? Isn’t America freer in that regard?


5 posted on 06/03/2009 2:11:46 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Justice is blind. Sonia Sotomayor is not even qualified to sit on an IMPARTIAL jury.)
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To: pray4liberty
When his church permitted him to be an usher, it was as if they'd let a strip club operator or someone of a similar legal, yet biblically immoral, profession “greet” parishioners.
6 posted on 06/03/2009 2:13:25 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Justice is blind. Sonia Sotomayor is not even qualified to sit on an IMPARTIAL jury.)
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To: a fool in paradise

I am almost certain you are correct.


7 posted on 06/03/2009 2:14:34 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Even the life-of-the mother exception is based on a canard (that you can save the mother by killing the child). I do not believe the risk to a mother in distress would be any less if the doctor performed a c-section, which would give the baby at least a chance at life. (Even if the baby doesn’t survive, it won’t have had it’s limbs torn off at the behest of its mother.)


8 posted on 06/03/2009 2:15:33 PM PDT by utahagen
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To: wagglebee
And yet the abortionists hold this and rape as the reason for murdering over 3500 babies each day.

And not just basic killing, but grizzly late term abortion killing. Most civilized countries in the world draw a line. For example, in Japan, where abortion has been legal since World War II, they aren't permitted after five months except to save the life of the mother. Period.

Even the convoluted ruling of Roe v. Wade allowed states to regulate or outlaw the procedure after the first trimester. Can you show me any woman who doesn't know she's pregnant after three months? After five?

9 posted on 06/03/2009 2:19:51 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or, are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: utahagen

You are correct. There are very rare cases in early pregnancy (when the baby is not yet viable) where the mother’s life can be saved, but these are nearly always discovered well before the third trimester.

As far as rape goes, it is estimated that between 3000 and 4500 rape victims are impregnated each year by their rapists. However, many of them DO NOT want to murder the baby simply because the father is a monster and even if they did, this DOES NOT explain the need for more than 3500 abortions PER DAY.


10 posted on 06/03/2009 2:22:30 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: a fool in paradise
Well at least it shows what the Lutheran Church (at least his parish) has become in these latter days, to not demand repentance of George Tiller. Biblically, his pastor will be held just as responsible for all those abortions, because he did nothing to warn him (but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand--Ezekiel 33:6).

So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Revelation 3:16

11 posted on 06/03/2009 2:27:17 PM PDT by pray4liberty (http://www.foundersvalues.com/)
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To: wagglebee
And yet the abortionists hold this and rape as the reason for murdering over 3500 babies each day.

If there is so much 'rape' and 'incest' going around why is no one ever prosecuted for it?

12 posted on 06/03/2009 2:28:07 PM PDT by pray4liberty (http://www.foundersvalues.com/)
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To: pray4liberty

The high estimate is that there are about 90,000 forcible rapes per year, of these between 3 and 5 percent will result in pregnancies. Rates of incest are a lot harder to pin down and often end around the time the girl has her first period.


13 posted on 06/03/2009 2:31:12 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Why is it that the left is perfectly happy to execute the innocent victim of the most vicious crime against women, but would fight tooth and nail against executing the man who committed the crime?


14 posted on 06/03/2009 2:39:28 PM PDT by Brytani (DC Freeper Convention and National Tea Party - FreepMail Me for rooms and convention info!)
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To: pray4liberty

His lutheran church was ELCA. Evngelical Lutheran Church of America. ELCA likes gays, women preachers, immorality, irresponisbility, and open communion.

My Lutheran Churches have been LCMS and WELS. LCMS say no gays, no women preachers, no immorality, and practices closed communion. WELS does all of these and also does not allow women to vote on church matters.


15 posted on 06/03/2009 3:12:40 PM PDT by american_ranger (Never ever use DirecTV)
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To: wagglebee
When it became public that Christ Hospital, where I worked, committed late-term abortions (as late as 28 weeks by my observations), these others in the Chicago area also confessed to same: Good Samaritan, Lutheran General, Illinois Masonic, Loyola, Northwestern, and Rush-Presbyterian St. Lukes. That's just Chicago, and that's just those who fessed up.

Killing babies at Christ Hospital? And these other so-called religious hospitals as well? Nearer my God to thee, I guess. Wait until they get their hands on old people.

16 posted on 06/03/2009 3:35:18 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: pray4liberty

Rape is aggressively prosecuted. I don’t get where you could even ask, “Why is no one ever prosecuted for it?” with a straight face.


17 posted on 06/03/2009 4:19:01 PM PDT by Melas
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To: wagglebee
I was shocked and dismayed when learning Kansas abortionist George Tiller had been murdered by a vigilante. Tiller was a ghastly late-term abortionist, but he should not have been murdered, just as he should not have murdered

I'm really getting tired of this drivel.

Shocked and dismayed? Like the rest of us, you're shocked and dismayed because of the repercussions of this on normal pro-life people.

But why don't you and the rest of the appointed pro-life spokespeople quit the blather that we all know is crap. The world is better off without this monster just like it's better off without Osama bin Laden, Adolph Hitler, and any other dictator/mass murderer you care to mention.

The gratuitous talking points don't fool anyone. Do you fool yourself?

18 posted on 06/03/2009 4:20:29 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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19 posted on 06/03/2009 4:36:30 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
"Tiller was a ghastly late-term abortionist, but he should not have been murdered, just as he should not have murdered 60,000 children throughout his years of practice."

I have been wrestling with this one and have come to the position that because this absolutely prevented at least one abortion it was justifiable. I do not support any vengeance angle, but if one believes that the unborn, including very late term babies, are innocent humans than even the Church would sanction lethal action.

20 posted on 06/03/2009 5:19:44 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: pray4liberty
Jill is a much better Christian than I am.

Ditto that. I suspect she's a much better Christian than all of us who profess to be Christian's here on FR combined times two.

I won't say I know Jill on a personal level (I do not..) but I've had the good fortune to chat with her a few times as we both attend the same church. I'll say this about Jill: She's someone who's put her life completely on the line for Christ. She walks the walk in every way. If there's a woman on this earth after God's own heart, it's her.

When she speaks out on abortion she knows exactly what she's talking about as she's the nurse who blew the whistle on live birth abortions at Christ Hospital in Oak Lawn, Illinois where she was a registered nurse (until she blew the whistle on the practice) and was the driving force behind President Bush's signing of the Born Alive Infant Protection Act.

21 posted on 06/03/2009 5:26:19 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Melas
Rape is aggressively prosecuted. I don’t get where you could even ask, “Why is no one ever prosecuted for it?” with a straight face.

I'm a survivor, that's why, and no he was never prosecuted. Let's just say where there is money, freedom can be bought.

Let me clarify. Under-age girls are being forced into having abortions. Their getting pregnant in the first place proves that a statutory rape (and child sexual abuse) occurred. The abortion mills should report it to the authorities by law, but they don't. Therefore there are no "aggressive" prosecutions of any kind.

22 posted on 06/03/2009 7:41:03 PM PDT by pray4liberty (http://www.foundersvalues.com/)
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To: the invisib1e hand
For what it's worth, I prayed for George Tiller to convert while he was still living. There is such a thing as free will, and all this talk that he was "deprived of the opportunity to repent" and "should not have been murdered" sounds like sanctimonious claptrap to me.

The truth is, there are a lot of people out there (average Joe included) who are glad he is dead. Maybe the pro-life movement may not qualify as glad, but a whole lot of them, if they want to admit the truth, are just relieved that something finally happened, even if it was at the hands of a madman. Tiller got his karma, and that's the long and short of it.

23 posted on 06/03/2009 7:49:14 PM PDT by pray4liberty (http://www.foundersvalues.com/)
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To: pray4liberty
Well a man come on the 6 oclock news
Said somebodys been shot, somebodys been abused
Somebody blew up a building
Somebody stole a car
Somebody got away
Somebody didnt get too far yeah
They didnt get too far

Grandpappy told my pappy, back in my day, son
A man had to answer for the wicked that he done
Take all the rope in texas
Find a tall oak tree, round up all of them bad boys
Hang them high in the street for all the people to see that

Justice is the one thing you should always find
You got to saddle up your boys
You got to draw a hard line
When the gun smoke settles well sing a victory tune
Well all meet back at the local saloon
Well raise up our glasses against evil forces
Singing whiskey for my men, beer for my horses

We got too many gangsters doing dirty deeds
Weve got too much corruption, too much crime in the streets
Its time the long arm of the law put a few more in the ground
Send em all to their maker and he'll settle em down
You can bet he'll set em down cause

Justice is the one thing you should always find
You got to saddle up your boys
You got to draw a hard line
When the gun smoke settles well sing a victory tune
Well all meet back at the local saloon
Well raise up our glasses against evil forces
Singing whiskey for my men, beer for my horses

~Toby Keith Beer for my Horses

24 posted on 06/03/2009 8:08:49 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: a fool in paradise
When his church permitted him to be an usher, it was as if they'd let a strip club operator or someone of a similar legal, yet biblically immoral, profession “greet” parishioners.

George Tiller made millions, maybe that had something to do with it. Wouldn't surprise me if he got government money, too.

25 posted on 06/03/2009 8:24:40 PM PDT by pray4liberty (http://www.foundersvalues.com/)
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To: Melas
Let me also say that the abortion conveniently gets rid of the evidence of the rape or incest which allows the abuser to continue his evil ways.
26 posted on 06/03/2009 8:35:34 PM PDT by pray4liberty (http://www.foundersvalues.com/)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Love that song.


27 posted on 06/04/2009 12:53:04 AM PDT by Pinkbell
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To: Pinkbell

I don’t mean to make light of the situation. But the part about “send ‘em back to their maker, he’ll sort ‘em out” was what I was after. There are worse things to experience than death.


28 posted on 06/04/2009 11:31:56 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: Vigilanteman
Even the convoluted ruling of Roe v. Wade allowed states to regulate or outlaw the procedure after the first trimester.

IIRC, Doe vs Bolton, decided the same day as "Roe" effectively made abortion legal for any reason. up to the time of birth. This is why there has been so much difficulty getting even the most minimal of restrictions passed by states without their being challenged and overturned.

29 posted on 06/06/2009 7:47:20 PM PDT by SuziQ
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