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Court sentences bishop for ringing church bells (though songs played quieter than traffic)
wnd ^ | June 6, 2009 | Drew Zahn

Posted on 06/06/2009 6:58:57 AM PDT by NYer

Ding, dong, the bells are dead – at least on weekdays.

By court order, the electronic chimes that were rung each day by Cathedral of Christ the King Catholic Church in Phoenix, Ariz., are now confined to Sundays and special occasions, while the cathedral's leader, Bishop Rick Painter, faces potential jail time for playing the daily melodies.

Responding to complaints that the electronic bells at the northern Phoenix church were rung too loud and too often, a municipal court gave Painter three years probation and a suspended 10-day jail sentence on charges of violating city noise ordinances.

The judge further ordered that the church – which had been ringing the bells daily on the hour from 8 a.m. to 8 p.m. – may now only ring the bells on Sunday mornings and a court-ordered list of select religious holidays.

"It's ridiculous to be sentenced to jail and probation for doing what churches have traditionally done throughout history," said a statement from Erik Stanley, senior legal counsel with the Alliance Defense Fund, which has been retained by Painter. "Christians shouldn't be punished for exercising their faith publicly."

Separate investigations found the bells to be no louder on the street than a conversation or even local traffic, yet according to a report from KNXV-TV in Phoenix, neighbors testified the music disturbed them and made them feel like captives in their own homes.

(Excerpt) Read more at worldnetdaily.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: bells; catholic; charismatic; evangelical; notcatholic

1 posted on 06/06/2009 6:58:58 AM PDT by NYer
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...

Bishop Rick Painter

– may now only ring the bells on Sunday mornings and a court-ordered list of select religious holidays.

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2 posted on 06/06/2009 7:01:28 AM PDT by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: NYer

If it were me I’d ring the bells anyway.


3 posted on 06/06/2009 7:04:42 AM PDT by svcw
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To: NYer

This is nutty.


4 posted on 06/06/2009 7:07:23 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: NYer

This is more sad news.


5 posted on 06/06/2009 7:10:06 AM PDT by tob2 (I would rather have a nuclear power plant in my backyard than Gitmo detainees.)
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To: NYer
Will the authorities also prohibit the 5 calls to Muslim prayer emanating from various mosques around the nation?

And actually,I am one of those people who find the hourly chiming annoying whether it be church bells,or the city(in my case) speakers which also play holiday music non-stop in season.

Why must some people constantly make noises ?Can't they enjoy a little quiet? Must they ruin the quiet for evreyone else,especially those who have worked the night shift or just don't feel the need of constant time reminders?

And I consider wind chimes an invention of the devil,designed so one cannot enjoy nature's own sounds of the wind in the willows(or pines)!

6 posted on 06/06/2009 7:13:47 AM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: svcw; trisham; tob2

Ironically, in Hamtrank MI, the same thing occured. The court mandated that Churches stop ringing bells - but - gave permission to the local mosques to erect loudspeakers to call worshipers to prayer, 5 times a day.


7 posted on 06/06/2009 7:14:29 AM PDT by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: NYer

Then spake the bells both loud and deep/ God is not dead nor doth he sleep./ The wrong shall fail, the right prevail . . .

(If you didn’t like the bells, why did you move your sorry asses next to a cathedral?)


8 posted on 06/06/2009 7:14:53 AM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (FUBO and, as for me, I'm a proud citizen of Dixie's land.)
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To: NYer

I know this issue is not in the Constitution, but isn’t there something called separation of church and state? And if Catholics are being told when they can ring church bells, I think Muslims should be told about broadcasting their call to prayers!


9 posted on 06/06/2009 7:20:21 AM PDT by tob2 (I would rather have a nuclear power plant in my backyard than Gitmo detainees.)
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To: NYer

I often feel that I’m living in Bizarro world these days.


10 posted on 06/06/2009 7:21:47 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: NYer

How ridiculous! St. Mary’s downtown and my own church ring the bells every half hour. It’s a lovely sound.


11 posted on 06/06/2009 7:26:45 AM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: NYer

Hear the mellow wedding bells -
Golden bells!
What a world of happiness their harmony foretells!
Through the balmy air of night
How they ring out their delight!
From the molten-golden notes,
And all in tune,
What a liquid ditty floats
To the turtle-dove that listens, while she gloats
On the moon!
Oh, from out the sounding cells
What a gush of euphony voluminously wells!
How it swells!
How it dwells
On the Future! -how it tells
Of the rapture that impels
To the swinging and the ringing
Of the bells, bells, bells,
Of the bells, bells, bells, bells,
Bells, bells, bells -
To the rhyming and the chiming of the bells!


12 posted on 06/06/2009 7:42:20 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: hoosierham

I’m with you hh. But I’m sure the little wannabee gangster punks are still driving around with their “boom box cars” blaring full tilt. A more recent annoyance for me are the boom box boats that go to a small lake where we like to camp. They have huge high tech speakers on them and blare some of the most disgusting rap songs I’ve ever heard. Even when they’re docked at the campsites.

We go there to be in nature and relax. These idiots spoil it for everyone.


13 posted on 06/06/2009 7:45:46 AM PDT by EggsAckley (There's an Ethiopian in the fuel supply. W.C. Fields)
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To: NYer
Cathedral of Christ the King Catholic(sic) Church

These people march to the beat of their own drum and are not in communion with the Holy See. They are not Catholics. I see that Farah still has that crack staff of editors working for him at World Nut Daily.

http://www.cctkaz.com/


14 posted on 06/06/2009 7:46:14 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
I checked that out too. Evidently, they are Christ the King Charismatic Episcopal Cathedral. The tip off for me was the fact that the Phoenix Diocese has but one bishop, and his name is Bishop Thomas Olmstead.
15 posted on 06/06/2009 7:50:57 AM PDT by Prince of Space ("Your weapons have no effect on me!")
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To: NaughtiusMaximus
(If you didn’t like the bells, why did you move your sorry asses next to a cathedral?)

It's not a Cathedral, it's a neighborhood church with the word "Cathedral" in it's name.

16 posted on 06/06/2009 8:00:04 AM PDT by Wil H (The most destructive act of Muslim terrorism against the US was paying for 0bama's Harvard education)
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To: Prince of Space
They aren't Episcopals. They belong to what they call the "Communion of Christ the Redeemer".
17 posted on 06/06/2009 8:06:14 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: NaughtiusMaximus
Then spake the bells both loud and deep/ God is not dead nor doth he sleep./ The wrong shall fail, the right prevail . . .

As I read this article, that's the song that immediately popped into my head (Travis Tritt's version). Let's hope the wrong do fail...liberals feel empowered and won't stop at silencing bells.
18 posted on 06/06/2009 8:19:35 AM PDT by LostInBayport (I hope the Supreme Court overturns Sotomayor's incompetent 'opinion' in Ricci as hearings begin...)
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To: HungarianGypsy

We used to live across the street from the Catholic Church. They’d ring bells every 15 minutes from 7 AM to 10 PM. We got used to it. They’d also play patriotic music or Christmas tunes on holidays. it was beautiful! We’d sit on the front porch so we could hear more. This ruling is ridiculous!


19 posted on 06/06/2009 8:59:01 AM PDT by samiam1972 ("It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish."-Mother Teresa)
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To: HungarianGypsy

We used to live across the street from the Catholic Church. They’d ring bells every 15 minutes from 7 AM to 10 PM. We got used to it. They’d also play patriotic music or Christmas tunes on holidays. it was beautiful! We’d sit on the front porch so we could hear more. This ruling is ridiculous!


20 posted on 06/06/2009 8:59:03 AM PDT by samiam1972 ("It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish."-Mother Teresa)
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To: samiam1972

Oops! Sorry for the double post!


21 posted on 06/06/2009 8:59:22 AM PDT by samiam1972 ("It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish."-Mother Teresa)
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To: NYer
There are 10 mosques in the greater Phoenix area (confirmed by local.yahoo). Does anyone know what the noise restrictions on their gawdawful call to prayer wailing that takes place five times a day?
22 posted on 06/06/2009 9:17:16 AM PDT by Natural Law
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To: trisham
I often feel that I’m living in Bizarro world these days.

We are.

23 posted on 06/06/2009 9:18:18 AM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|"AlsoSprachTelethustra"-NonValueAdded|Lk21:36|FireTheLiar)
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To: tob2
"I know this issue is not in the Constitution,..."

...but prohibiting the free exercise thereof is.

24 posted on 06/06/2009 9:18:58 AM PDT by Natural Law
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To: NYer

Off topic except for the bell thing . . . what ever happened to Hamtrack, MI banning church bells but allowing Muslim prayer calls in 2004? Still in effect? Has it been challened in court?


25 posted on 06/06/2009 9:25:13 AM PDT by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: trisham
I often feel that I’m living in Bizarro world these days.

Isn't that the truth! Notice how the media twist and distort every word spoken and analyze the motives behind that particular choice of words. At times I wonder if this is the era of Babel.

Even more bizarre is the switch in television signals. Folks are scrambling to purchase very expensive HD tvs ... to watch what? Cable television has deteriorated into round the clock infomercials, shopping channels, and news commentary. Even the cartoons we watched for years are now gone, replaced with new ones that lack any moral instruction. Were it not for EWTN and TCM, I would have the cable disconnected. TCM just aired Ben Hur, commercial free. No matter how many times I watch this movie, it brings great inspiration to watch those scenes where Jesus gives the slave, Judah Ben Hur water to drink and, later in the film, he returns the favor. At one time in our culture, movies like Ben Hur, the Bells of St Mary's, Spartacus, The Robe, The Silver Chalice and so many other great films that carried a positive, faith-based message. Today, we live in a world replete with secularism and relativism. Anything goes! Truth is no longer of interest to the "illuminated" college grads. The signs and symbols of the christian faith are rapidly being removed from society. Today, people turn to government, rather than to God, to meet their needs. In so doing, they shackle themselves to government restrictions. Those of us who turn to God, are truly liberated. We are rapidly becoming the minority.

26 posted on 06/06/2009 3:11:57 PM PDT by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Thank you for that information! I should have done the leg work before pinging the list.


27 posted on 06/06/2009 3:16:06 PM PDT by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: Natural Law

“I know this issue is not in the Constitution,...”

...but prohibiting the free exercise thereof is.

This separation of church and state has been twisted and turned around ad nauseum and two many people don’t even know what it is all about.


28 posted on 06/06/2009 3:22:45 PM PDT by tob2 (I would rather have a nuclear power plant in my backyard than Gitmo detainees.)
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To: NYer

does joe farah ever laugh?


29 posted on 06/06/2009 10:49:38 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Death to Databases.)
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To: NYer

I live in a small town in Germany. The bells of the local Church ring every 15 minutes, ‘round the clock. They ring again for weddings, funerals, calls to service, and when the Lord’s prayer is said during services. There are no complaints. In some ways, Europeans are becoming more free than some who live in the so-called “Land of the Free”.


30 posted on 06/09/2009 4:04:17 AM PDT by mainer_in_exile
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