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FReeper Book Club: Atlas Shrugged, Atlantis
A Publius Essay | 6 June 2009 | Publius

Posted on 06/06/2009 7:23:17 AM PDT by Publius

Part III: A is A

Chapter I: Atlantis

Synopsis

Dagny awakens to the face of John Galt! He is surprised that Dagny braved his cloaking device to reach the valley. It is too painful for her to walk, so John picks her up and carries her. She hears the strains of Halley’s Fifth Concerto, played by the composer himself, coming from his house. She spots a three-foot statue of a dollar sign cast out of solid gold seated on a stone column – Francisco’s private joke, says John.

A car arrives, driven by Midas Mulligan, with Hugh Akston as his passenger. Akston is stunned by her arrival, having previously told her that she would never find the designer of the motor and now finding her in his arms. Mulligan profanely gives her a rich tongue lashing for having endangered her life by crashing into the valley rather than entering by the front door; he is flummoxed by the arrival of the first “scab”. John takes responsibility for Dagny and thanks her for hiring Quentin Daniels.

As they drive along, Dagny finds that Mulligan owns the valley, John works there, and Akston is one of John’s two “fathers”. The final penny drops. John Galt was the mysterious third student of Akston and Stadler, the second assistant bookkeeper, the designer of the motor – and The Destroyer.

At his house, John admits he has been watching her for years. The famous Dr. Hendricks, who had disappeared six years before, tends to Dagny’s injuries. As John cooks and serves breakfast, Dagny finds that Lawrence Hammond runs a grocery store, Dwight Sanders a pig farm, and Judge Narragansett a dairy farm. John Galt is merely the handyman. Dagny realizes that John’s motor is the power source for the valley and badly desires to see it in action. But she is astonished that Mulligan is charging John twenty-five cents to rent his car; she quickly learns that the word “give” is banned in the valley.

Quentin Daniels delivers the car. He apologizes to Dagny for skipping out without notice and tells her how John had come to his lab, erased his work and written down one simple equation. After that, he would have happily followed John Galt to the ends of the earth. With pride, he tells her that he is now a janitor and hopes to rise to the position of electrician!

The first stop on the grand tour is Dwight Sanders, who agrees to fix her plane for a mere $200 – in gold. But she can’t buy the gold, and all her cash and stock is worthless in the valley.

The second stop is Dick McNamara, the former rail contractor, who is in charge of the valley’s utilities. He now has three helpers: a former professor of economics who taught that one can’t produce more than one consumes, a former professor of history who taught that the poor of the slums did not build America, and a former professor of psychology who taught that men are capable of rational thought. Dagny understands that John is taking her on a tour of the men he had taken from her. The fourth stop is Ellis Wyatt’s oil shale facility. One of Wyatt’s two employees is the young brakeman caught by Dagny in the first chapter whistling the theme from Halley’s Fifth Concerto; he is now Halley’s best student. Wyatt is producing two hundred barrels of oil a day from shale.

Along the way she discovers that Ted Nielsen runs the lumber yard and Roger Marsh grows vegetables. The fifth stop is at Andrew Stockton’s foundry; he had to ruin a competitor, who is now his employee, to run it. Stockton says he would be happy to be ruined by Hank Rearden, who would revolutionize life in the valley. Ken Danagger turns out to be his foreman.

The sixth stop is the valley’s Main Street, home to Hammond Grocery, Mulligan General Store, Nielsen Lumber, and Mulligan & Akston Tobacco. Actress Kay Ludlow, who had disappeared five years earlier, now runs a cafeteria. Down the street is Mulligan Bank and Mulligan Mint, which produces coins of gold and silver like those from America’s past.

The seventh stop is the house of Francisco d’Anconia. Dagny now has figured out that John was the man to whom Francisco had pledged his life twelve years ago.

The eighth stop is the powerhouse. On the building is the inscription, “I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.” As John pronounces the oath, the door to the powerhouse swings open, but he closes it quickly. When Dagny is ready to say those words and accept the consequences, he will show her the motor.

At dinner at Mulligan’s house, Midas introduces her in the US Navy manner as “Taggart Transcontinental”. Dagny dines with Ellis Wyatt, Ken Danagger, Hugh Akston, Dr. Hendricks, Quentin Daniels, Richard Halley and Judge Narragansett. To Dagny it is like going to heaven, meeting again the great people of one’s past. Danagger tells her what John had told him: “Well done.” Perhaps too well, in Dagny’s case.

Halley has composed more in the past decade than in all the previous years of his life. He appreciates Dagny’s recognizing his new piece from hearing just a few notes whistled by a brakeman, and he wants her to come over to his house for a private recital. Dr. Hendricks has made a breakthrough in treating strokes, the judge is writing a treatise on the philosophy of law, Mulligan is financing everything in the valley, and Akston is writing a book on moral philosophy. But no product of this work will ever be seen outside the valley; these men are on strike. John Galt launches into a speech about the mind, reason and how these men are on strike against the moral code that demands their martyrdom.

Each man at the table each went on strike for his own reason: Akston because he could no longer share his profession with those who denied the existence of the intellect; Mulligan because of the appeals court decision in the Hunsacker case, likewise Judge Narragansett; Halley because he could not forgive the public’s view of his success, seeing themselves as Halley’s compositional goal; Dr. Hendricks because the government took over the health care system; Wyatt because he decided not to be a meal for the cannibals; Danagger because he discovered that the men who wished to rule over him were impotent; Daniels because he did not wish to place his mind at the service of brute force; Galt because he refused to feel guilty about his abilities. After leaving Twentieth Century, John looked for any sign of talent in the world and pulled that man out of the world and into his. The men whom he recruited took an oath to deny their talents by withdrawing from the world or taking menial jobs. They would pursue their true interests in Mulligan’s valley – Galt’s Gulch – but share nothing with the world. Once a year they would come to the valley and meet for a month. Now things in the world are collapsing at a rate they had not foreseen. Soon they will be ready to return to rebuild the world.

At the Galt house, there is momentary pause at John’s bedroom, but the moment passes. Instead, Dagny is placed in the guest bedroom bearing the inscriptions of the men who had spent their first night at Galt’s Gulch there, each in his own private purgatory.

Rand and Technology

The first operational laser dates from 1960. Rand’s refractory ray and its magnetic effect on motors is interesting, but wide of the mark. The hologram that hides Galt’s Gulch is more on the order of the technology in the later “Star Trek” universe. For Fifties science fiction, however, it’s not bad.

The idea of extracting oil from shale was barely a glimmer in an oil man’s eye in the Fifties; not until the Seventies did the price of oil rise to the point where recovery from oil shale might be profitable. Here Rand was far ahead of the curve.

Rand never saw the possibilities of a global positioning system and spy satellites as a means of making it truly impossible to hide a site like Galt’s Gulch from the all-pervading eyes of government. The surveillance state’s technology was not on her horizon.

America’s Mixed Relationship With Gold

After of the Treaty of Paris in 1783, tensions with Britain eased, and the country got around to governing itself under the Articles of Confederation. But the war debt caused major problems, not the least of which was a deflationary depression. A few states took their debts seriously, but others engaged in partial or total repudiation. At the same time, the Continental Dollar, supposedly backed by one Spanish Milled Dollar each, was collapsing in value because there was no real backing except for a nebulous promise to pay. Enlisted men in the Continental Army had been paid in paper dollars, and they expected those dollars to be honored at full value.

There were only three banks in the entire country; these banks didn’t care about the farmer, the shopkeeper, or the wage slave, but only the owner of the textile mill in Lawrence, Massachusetts, the import-export business in Manhattan, or the iron foundry in Batsto, New Jersey. Ordinary Americans held their wealth in their mattresses and under their floorboards. Without a genuine coin of the realm, people relied on coins of gold and silver minted in Spain, England and France, along with base metal coins minted by the states. Coins of precious metal were often “clipped”, so merchants weighed them to see just how much gold and silver were really present.

While farmers and shopkeepers could survive without a coin of the realm, the owners of the banks and large businesses could not. How could a capitalist perform the Italian art of accounting if there is no coin of the realm? How can he construct a balance sheet or income and expense statement if there is no standard by which to measure value?

The states that wanted to treat their war debts honorably had a problem. The basic unit of governance in America was the county. The county collected the property tax, and a voter had to show his tax receipt at election time to the county clerk in order to vote. The county built the roads and maintained the poorhouse for indigents. States collected taxes for their own purposes, but repaying war debts would require a major hike in taxes, and a war had just been fought over that.

There is an old saying in the word of taxation: “Don’t tax him, don’t tax me, tax the guy behind the tree.” The states that wanted to retire their war debts found a way of taxing the guy behind the tree – they taxed the residents of other states. After all, residents of other states could not vote in state elections, so the states charged tariffs on goods crossing state lines. The Connecticut farmer who loaded his wagon and took his produce to New York to sell now found himself confronted at the state line by a New York customs agent who slapped taxes on his produce. Quickly other states took up the idea, and a full scale trade war erupted.

Then the issue of the legality of the Continental Dollar came to a head when Massachusetts refused to accept it in payment of taxes in spite of the words “legal tender”. And that led to Shays’ Rebellion, which led to the Constitutional Convention.

In 1790, Alexander Hamilton, now Secretary of the Treasury under Washington, pushed for assumption, the act of taking the debts of the states and nationalizing them. What Hamilton wanted was financial ballast. A ship without ballast is gyroscopically unstable and tosses and turns on the sea. Hamilton believed that a properly managed national debt would act as ballast and be a blessing. Hamilton didn’t figure this out on his own but copied Sir Robert Walpole who established the Bank of England in 1694. The key was “properly managed”. Hamilton saw a national debt as a way of encouraging a basic conservatism in American finance. By rolling the state debts into a national debt, Hamilton effectively monetized all those Continental Dollars whose value had dropped almost to zero. On a weekly basis, Hamilton’s clerk at Treasury went down to the New York Stock Exchange and either bought or sold Treasury bills, thus managing the money supply; this is similar to what the Federal Reserve does today. Was each new American dollar backed by the proper amount of gold or silver as mandated by the Constitution? No. And that is one of our lesser known financial secrets: the US Dollar started out as a fiat currency in violation of the Constitution’s Gold and Silver Clause.

It should be noted that the Gold and Silver Clause has been honored more in the breach than in the observance.

Hamilton intended the US Mint in Philadelphia to fix the gold and silver problem. Congress established gold and silver coins of different denominations, and people who owned foreign coins or bars of gold and silver could take them to the Mint, which would smelt them to the correct purity and mint coins of the realm, which would in turn be handed back to the owner to be placed in circulation.

Hamilton’s consolidated war debt was paid off by James Monroe’s first term, and the new debt accrued during the War of 1812 came close to being paid off by the end of Andrew Jackson’s first term. That led to a problem. Under Nicholas Biddle, the Bank of the United States had put aside its function of neutral arbiter of capital allocation and had played favorites. Biddle saw this as a prudent form of industrial planning, making him the father of Japan’s MITI, Max Palevsky, Felix Rohatyn – and Jimmy Carter.

When Jackson ran for reelection in 1832, his campaign slogan was “Jackson and No Bank”. Jackson referred to the Bank as “The Monster” and made its abolition the cornerstone of his second term. Biddle inadvertently helped Jackson when he fought the president in Congress by allocating capital to congressmen who were the Bank’s friends and punishing its enemies via foreclosure. It was a fatal mistake. With the end of the Bank, the national debt was gone – and so was the financial ballast. And the sharp practitioners of Wall Street were ready for a world under a gold exchange standard.

In the world of finance, there is Smart Money, Stupid Money, and Widows’ and Orphans’ Money.

With the end of good, safe government bonds, an asset bubble began to form on Wall Street in stocks. The Smart Money had already staked a claim, and the Stupid Money followed; next came the Widows and Orphans. It should be noted that the primary business of Wall Street is to fleece investors by inflating and bursting bubbles, known as “pump and dump” in the trade.

The bubble in stocks created the illusion of prosperity, and Jackson never understood what he had wrought. With the luck of the Scots-Irish, Jackson left the presidency to Martin van Buren before the Panic of 1837 erupted. People lost their savings, their homes, their farms, and froze to death in the cities. The road back was slow, arduous, and interrupted by other financial calamities, such as the Panic of 1857, when a ship full of gold coins minted in San Francisco was lost at sea in a hurricane off the coast of South Carolina. That hole in the money supply launched a panic from which the Cotton South recovered more rapidly than the industrialized North. In 1860, that led to a fatal miscalculation by the southern states.

To avoid usurious interest rates from the House of Morgan, Abraham Lincoln issued a paper fiat currency known as the greenback, which was to finance the War Between the States and then get mopped up via federal tax collections afterward. Upon being withdrawn from circulation, the disappearing fiat money triggered deflation and the Panic of 1873, which set off a depression.

In 1913, America established the Federal Reserve, which was not exactly a national bank because it was owned by a cartel of private banks. But the country was still on the gold standard. The calamity of October 1929 and the events that followed inadvertently made the dollar stronger with respect to European currencies. To permit expansion of the money supply via inflation, Franklin Roosevelt closed the gold window for domestic payments and made the possession of gold by Americans illegal. This permitted America to fight a deflationary depression and a world war by printing massive amounts of money.

The Bretton Woods Agreement of 1944 made the US Dollar the world’s reserve currency linked to gold at the 1934 price. This functioned well until Lyndon Johnson’s disastrous “guns and butter” decision of 1965, which led to the London Gold Pool as an attempt to support the dollar by suppressing the gold price. Charles de Gaulle put an end to that by demanding payment in gold for France, which prompted Richard Nixon to close the gold window to foreign payments, which in turn set off the double-digit inflation of the Seventies. In 1975 Americans again were permitted to possess gold as a result. Fed Chairman Paul Volcker pushed interest rates above 20%, thus ending the inflation of consumer prices, but the liquidity spigot was never turned off, which led to the inflation of asset prices in the 1982-2007 bull market in stocks and real estate.

Fiat currencies can be very messy and full of unintended consequences. But so can gold.

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To: Publius
* The word “give” is banned in Galt’s Gulch. Doesn’t an Objectivist society demand the redefinition of the concept of charity?

I don't think so. It seems compatible with my definition, at least, where it is not taking from one at gunpoint and appropriating it (not giving, a thing which is freely done) to another. She might have chosen a better word than "give", but she had no doubt seen plenty of usage in her Soviet Russia upbringing similar to the way it and the companion "ask" have been so famously used by Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, and so many others of the political class.

* We’ve seen Rand’s ideal Objectivist society operating in Galt’s Gulch. How well would it work in the real world?

It does seem to be carried to an extreme in the gulch, there's no doubt about that. In any functional society there will always be some measure of forced behavior and (dare I say) socialism. Here, our constitution is the agreement of the collective creating a government and spelling out those things we expect it to do, and in essence those are things we expect it will force us to do. Of, by, and for the people, after all.

* Dr. Hendricks, one of America’s best surgeons, left the profession because the government nationalized the health care system. Is there a cautionary tale here?

I have no doubts. I don't know how it is in most places, but in my town the medical community circled their wagons long ago and developed a general business model that maximizes their personal financial benefit. Even though the area's major medical center is a "not for profit" enterprise operated by the Sisters of Saint Joseph, the professionals, doctors and nurses, are among the most financially successful in the nation. I imagine a good number of them would not take kindly any efforts to limit that.

61 posted on 06/06/2009 10:33:25 PM PDT by Clinging Bitterly (He must fail.)
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To: Betis70

“But giving because some government official tells me to, or some United Way rep comes around to my cubicle and tries to shame me into giving, no thank you.”

I assume we are all in agreement on that. I do not like the shakedowns. I don’t give to them, either.

I can’t go grocery shopping any more without being asked for a donation at the checkout. If the grocery store wants to be charitable, why don’t they donate? They take all these donations at the cash register, then say “Safeway gave $23,492 to Juvenile Diabetes last month!” I go to several different grocery stores, too, including Costco. They all do it.


62 posted on 06/06/2009 11:28:21 PM PDT by Marie2 (The second mouse gets the cheese.)
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To: Marie2
I have a business that provides a service to other small businesses. Right now many of them are in trouble, some hanging on by their fingernails. What I do is not a major line item but it is not insignificant either, even in the best of times. It is something that is necessary and scheduled. They plan for and accept it as a cost of doing business. We have a large number of long-term accounts and most of my people have been with me for years..

I have strict instructions that if there are any signs of a problem with an account I want to have the account on my desk pronto. Dodging or delaying appointments, late paying on an invoice, anything at all, I want to know. Right now, for a great number of accounts, I am billing light or not at all. I'm in a position that I can do this. I'm not desperate for the money. I wish things were better but they aren't. I am erasing one problem from the huge pile that my customers face.

If we do have a customer with a problem we take care of him anyway. I use any plausible excuse. I'll show up with a toolbox and tell them “Hey, I'm in the area and I've got time to kill, if you let me do it now, I won't have to bill you.” or “I've got a six pack in the car. Help me drink it and I'll do this while we're talkin'.” I will drop it in conversation that a lot of my accounts are in trouble and I really don't give a damn if a payment is late, short or not made at all. I'll handwrite across an invoice “Information only. Catch me when you can.”

Will they be grateful? In a word, no. I will lose most of these accounts. I know that. They will be uncomfortable around me. They will bolt at the first opportunity and blame it on me. Gratitude is not what I am after. I get my reward when the look of anxiety comes off a customer's face or when I see his family in Church on Sunday or his kids on the ball field on Saturday night. I am giving these guys a little more room to cope and that is what I am after. I am big enough to handle the detritus.

Is this counter to what Rand is saying? I don't think so. In a way it reinforces it. It makes some of my customers feel like moochers. Old friends will avert their eyes or avoid me. It will take years to reestablish bonds that I am breaking by my “charity”. The language, or at least my command of it, is inadequate to explain how the relationships have changed. At times like these I wish I had a few more IQ points to explain the contempt that I am generating. If I could explain it it might go to the contempt that the moochers in our society can have for the hands that feed them.

63 posted on 06/07/2009 1:39:28 AM PDT by MARTIAL MONK
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To: Publius

I will be very interested in your publication if it comes to fruition. Your observations have been very inspiring to me.


64 posted on 06/07/2009 2:48:12 AM PDT by DownwardSpiral (Downward Spiral is where the (socialist) liberals are taking us!)
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To: Explorer89
I agree with you and I think that this Galt’s Gulch is fantasy. But once it is accepted that it is a fantasy, Rand still gets her point across.
65 posted on 06/07/2009 3:22:51 AM PDT by DownwardSpiral (Downward Spiral is where the (socialist) liberals are taking us!)
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To: Publius
Here is an article about Rand and some interesting comments.

http://www.wboy.com/story.cfm?func=viewstory&storyid=60289&catid=181

btw, I loved this chapter. Loved, loved, loved it. After spending so much time reading and guessing about what was going on, it was the reward. It was worth it.

66 posted on 06/07/2009 5:13:44 AM PDT by WV Mountain Mama (Let's go Pens!)
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To: r-q-tek86
The trick is to keep the core principles while devising appropriate rules of the game.

In that sentence, you've just defined the American Experiment. It started out with a series of compromises that most of the founders deemed deplorable, until it was found to work and evolve. It was never perfect, but for the first 200 years, it proved better than anything tried before by any other country.

And now we find ourselves with a President and Government that is willing to throw all of the principles and founding assumptions of our great Republic out the window while pursuing its own view of the great Socialist State. Very depressing.

67 posted on 06/07/2009 5:27:46 AM PDT by ReleaseTheHounds ("The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.")
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To: Betis70
...or some United Way rep comes around to my cubicle and tries to shame me into giving, no thank you.

Charity begins at home. When I'm asked I reply that I've already given and let it go at that. It's the truth.

68 posted on 06/07/2009 6:03:33 AM PDT by whodathunkit (Shrugging as I leave for the Gulch)
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To: Publius

I was out of town, over on the coast, which is why I’m late replying.

I would argue that envy and greed are not necessarily sins, if applied correctly.

It is okay to envy your neighbor, then put in the work to equal or surpass his achievement. However, if that envy is used to take from your neighbor, then, that is frowned upon.

Greed is much the same way. One can work and acquire material goods. Nothing wrong with that. If, however, the acquisition of material goods is coupled with unethical behavior, fraud, murder, etc., then, greed is bad.

I contend our current society has a lot of greed and envy. However, the greed and envy is used by our political class to justify taking from those who produce and giving to those who envy through greedy redistribution policies.


69 posted on 06/07/2009 6:32:12 AM PDT by stylin_geek (Senators and Representatives : They govern like Calvin Ball is played, making it up as they go along)
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To: Publius
A ship without ballast is gyroscopically unstable

I am troubled by this metaphor. Gravitationally, would be a better fit. Gyroscopically would better describe a rudderless ship. The allusion that the ballast of debt to keep the fiscal ship upright is good, in that, without the debt, there is little to keep the ship in service except the need to service the debt. Gyroscopically would imply an inability to get to the destination.

The ownership of a house, forces one to pay the mortgage and upkeep on it. Without that assumption of debt, people would pickup and move on.

Unfortunately, I see the government removing the ownership of property and distributing it on a temporary and arbitrary basis to favored constituencies. The government will assume the debt and convert it to an asset it bestows, removing the ballast from the people, leaving them to flounder at the whim of government.

70 posted on 06/07/2009 7:16:33 AM PDT by depressed in 06 (For the first time, in my life, I am not proud of my country. Thanks ZerO.)
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To: jonno
Today the attitude is exactly reversed. There seems to be a righteous expectation of the handout. Instead of humbly going down for relief, we now hear only complaints when "my check" is late.

The attitude of society toward the giver has deteriorated as well. Take away the voluntary aspect and today they're viewed anywhere from a communistic "you have more, therefore you can afford it", to a more antagonistic attitude where the possession of wealth is evidence that it was taken illegitimately from the Jerry Springer devotees.

I think this is exactly the problem today. Philanthropic societies were created by those "with' to help those without. It was understood that there was a benefactor-beneficiary relationship. If you found yourself without - in deep need - you went with your hat in your hand - a humbling event - and requested aid.

Someone was lauding FDR [spit] the other day that he was motivated to make the US communist (my hyperbole, not his) because he saw the indignity of poor houses. Moron. It was supposed to be humiliating! That way if you were able you wouldn't go there.

71 posted on 06/07/2009 8:04:49 AM PDT by Still Thinking (If ignorance is bliss, liberals must be ecstatic!)
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To: Betis70
These are all world-class alpha dogs, and there are always disagreements about getting your own way in such a group.

Not if they're libertarian first and alpha dog second. Libertarians are absolute tyrants about their own lives and if they're intellectually honest, disinterested in the corresponding decisions others make about their lives. Now I'm not necessarily saying that the Gulch society could be functional overall, because I probably have to agree that it would probably not, just addressing this one particular issue.

72 posted on 06/07/2009 8:12:24 AM PDT by Still Thinking (If ignorance is bliss, liberals must be ecstatic!)
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To: Billthedrill
It is, incidentally, one of the few dated moments in this 50-year-old novel, this “ray screen” business that kills “magnetic,” by which one hopes Rand means “reciprocating” engines.

That annoyed me too. I could see it killing her alternator (did they use alternators or generators in 1957?) and obviously her compass, and probably her radio, but her motor and flight controls, which probably would have been cables and linkages, should have been clicking along just fine.

73 posted on 06/07/2009 8:18:54 AM PDT by Still Thinking (If ignorance is bliss, liberals must be ecstatic!)
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To: r-q-tek86
Teams are not required to recruit to match a defined racial mix.

I've used this in argument with affirmative action believers. If they're willing to include professional and college sports, then I'll discuss the merits of affirmative action with them. If they're going to pick and choose where it applies, they're not honest enough to debate.

74 posted on 06/07/2009 8:32:55 AM PDT by Still Thinking (If ignorance is bliss, liberals must be ecstatic!)
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To: Marie2
I can’t go grocery shopping any more without being asked for a donation at the checkout. If the grocery store wants to be charitable, why don’t they donate? They take all these donations at the cash register, then say “Safeway gave $23,492 to Juvenile Diabetes last month!” I go to several different grocery stores, too, including Costco. They all do it.

While I admit I don't like being asked for a donation at checkout, at least if everyone in town is doing it, I still prefer that to Target's model. They do what you suggest and give their own money, but it's still mine in a way. I'd bet dollars to dimes everything they give money to is something a liberal would approve of, so it means that into every purchase I make is in effect built in a donation to a group supported by only half their customers. Better if they lower their prices by that percentage and maybe Cato, or GOA, or some conservative Congressional candidate might get the money instead of some home for hags that think all men are rapists because they have penii, yet somehow they're not all prostitutes.

75 posted on 06/07/2009 8:50:11 AM PDT by Still Thinking (If ignorance is bliss, liberals must be ecstatic!)
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To: MARTIAL MONK

I think you are doing the right thing, anyway.


76 posted on 06/07/2009 9:21:16 AM PDT by Marie2 (The second mouse gets the cheese.)
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To: Still Thinking; Billthedrill
...that kills “magnetic,” by which one hopes Rand means “reciprocating” engines

I think the reference was to the magneto type ignition system which uses magnets to generate electricity and therefore spark. The magneto system is used in aircraft due to it's utter reliability, permanent magnets being very dependable.

Reference Wiki-"The magneto is now confined mainly to lawnmowers, chainsaws, and internal-combustion aviation engines."

77 posted on 06/07/2009 9:26:42 AM PDT by whodathunkit (Shrugging as I leave for the Gulch)
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To: whodathunkit

Thanks, Kirk! Learn something new every day.


78 posted on 06/07/2009 9:29:10 AM PDT by Still Thinking (If ignorance is bliss, liberals must be ecstatic!)
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To: whodathunkit

Oops, NOT Kirk. Mixed you up with woodnboats.


79 posted on 06/07/2009 9:30:29 AM PDT by Still Thinking (If ignorance is bliss, liberals must be ecstatic!)
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To: Marie2

“But I don’t think someone who feels righteous due to the fact that they charge for every little thing is a person to be emulated.”

Well, I think here AR is simply making the point that the books must balance, whatever the commodities involved in the trade. A bit overdone, perhaps.

Kirk


80 posted on 06/07/2009 9:56:53 AM PDT by woodnboats (Help stimulate the economy: Buy guns NOW, while you still can!)
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