Born identity Birth certificate styles adjust to fit times and regulations

The Honolulu Star Bulletin ^ | June 6, 2009 | June Watanabe

[jamese777]

Question: What is the state's policy for issuing a "Certification of Live Birth" versus a "Certificate of Live Birth"? My first, second and fourth children received certificates, but my third and fifth children received certifications. Why the difference? The certificate contains more information, such as the name of hospital, certifier's name and title; attendant's name and title, etc. The certification has only the child's name, date and time of birth, sex, city/island/county of birth, mother's maiden name, mother's race, father's name and father's race. Why doesn't the state just issue certificates? When did it stop issuing certificates? Is it possible to obtain certificates for my third and fifth children?

Answer: No, you can't obtain a "certificate of live birth" anymore.

The state Department of Health no longer issues copies of paper birth certificates as was done in the past, said spokeswoman Janice Okubo.

The department only issues "certifications" of live births, and that is the "official birth certificate" issued by the state of Hawaii, she said.

And, it's only available in electronic form.

Okubo explained that the Health Department went paperless in 2001.

"At that time, all information for births from 1908 (on) was put into electronic files for consistent reporting," she said.

Information about births is transferred electronically from hospitals to the department.

Okubo said the Health Department "does not have a short-form or long-form certificate."

"The birth certificate form has been modified over the years and decades to conform to national standards and models," she said.

Okubo also emphasized the certification form "contains all the information needed by all federal government agencies for transactions requiring a birth certificate."

She added that the U.S. Supreme Court has recognized the state's current certification of live birth "as an official birth certificate meeting all federal and other requirements."

[dennisw]

Very good work.
I am definitely a skeptic when it comes to 0bomo’s birth certificate. The pressure should be kept up and hopefully he is forced to reveal it if he wants to run in 2012

0bamma is a past master in getting divorce records opened up
The flip side is he keeps all his stuff well hidden. He has lots of stuff in his closet. It can be lots of things such as

affirmative action admissions to Harvard and Columbia
taking Arabic and other Muslim oriented courses at Columbia
traveling to Pakistan on a non US passport

(you know the list)

[Beckwith]

It’s quite simple to alter an electronic record.

It’s near impossible to alter a 50-year old document.

[Fred Nerks]

Mr. & Mrs. blah blah blah would lend no decency to her daughter since her daughter’s name is not mentioned in the announcement. Since no one seems to have seen or know the Dunham daughter was pregnant, what shred of cover or decency would an Obama announcement provide for Stanley Ann?

Besides, Madelyn would have made a wiser choice on the address. She would have chosen a rental home near the University of Hawaii, not the priciest spot on the island owned by the college professor. She had record access to property titles through the bank. If Madelyn had planted the announcement in 1961 to impress the Dunham friends, it could have led to a huge embarrassment. Can you imagine friends of the Dunhams stopping by to visit the new baby and knocking on the Lefforge’s door? Or mailing newborn baby gifts and sending flowers for Stanley to a wrong address?

This was planted long after 1961. Likely, at the time of one of the book writings, the run for Congress, or the run for the Senate.

No one on the island remembers the wedding or the birth of the child. No one ever saw Mr. & Mrs. Obama together with a baby.

The entire ‘family story’ comes from “Dreams From My Father.”

http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaFamily.htm

[Beckwith]

Obama is not of African heritage but Arabic heritage

Obama is not an Arab. False story created by Kenneth Lamb.

[cripplecreek]

I did some checking on mine on how its stored, ammended etc.

They told me that there literaly is a vault copy that remains in an actual vault for preservation. When I get a copy its a scanned copy of the vault copy that they have stored on computer. The copy is then stamped with an emobossing stamp. Prior to the scanned copy, any copy made was found on microfisch, hand typed and embossed.

My original vault birth certificate is a mess due to the doctor not filing it immediately which means the birth date and filing date are 4 years apart. I can have that corrected but I will get a modern form of the birth certificate and the original amended copy will go into the vault with the original old copy of my birth certificate.

I asked if the original vault copy from 1964 would ever be destroyed for any reason and was told that there was no reason to destroy it and it was likely illegal for them to do so. She said that it looked like my original birth certificate had only been out of the vault 3 times in the last 44 years.

[Beckwith]

Obama has lived for almost 50 years without leaving any footprints -- none!  There is no Obama documentation -- no bona fides -- no paper trail -- nothing.

 Original, vault copy birth certificate -- Not released -- Lawyers fees -- greater than $1,000,000 -- birth certificate -- $15.
Certification of Live Birth -- Released -- Counterfeit
Obama/Dunham marriage license -- Not released Obama/Dunham divorce -- Released (by independent investigators)
Kindergarten records -- Records lost (this is a big one -- see here -- read two frames)
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license -- Not released
Soetoro adoption records -- Not released
Fransiskus Assisi School  School application -- Released (by independent investigators)
Punahou School records -- Not released
Soetoro/Dunham divorce -- Released (by independent investigators)
Selective Service Registration -- Released -- Counterfeit
Occidental College records -- Not released
Passport -- Not released and records scrubbed clean by Obama's terrorism and intelligence adviser.
Columbia College records -- Not released
Columbia thesis -- "Soviet Nuclear Disarmament" -- Not released
Harvard College records -- Not released
Harvard Law Review articles -- None
Illinois Bar Records -- Not released.
Baptism certificate -- None
Medical records -- Not released
Illinois State Senate records -- None
Illinois State Senate schedule -- Lost
Law practice client list -- Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles -- None

The Illinois State Archives told Judicial Watch that they never received any request from Senator Obama to archive any records in his possession.  In 2007, Obama told Tim Russert that his records were "not kept."

And there's less on the web every day.  In time, the entire Obama body of knowledge will consist of 3 documents -- "Dreams From My Father" -- "The Audacity of Hope" -- and the latest -- "Change We Can Believe In" -- all written by Barack Hussein Obama or his "ghost-writers."

Just an accident?  I don't think so.

[Beckwith]

So, this is a LIE?

The statement from Hawaii state health director Dr. Chiyome Fukino:

"Therefore, I, as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."

[Fred Nerks]

RE FACTCHECK AND THE ORIGIN OF THE ‘BIRTH ANNOUNCEMENTS’

If you look at the backgrounds of the various members listed on their WHo We Are page:
http://www.factcheck.org/about/

It’s obvious none have any background that would qualify them for document analysis. The majority are journalists.

Here’s what they have to say about the ‘birth announcement’ :

“In fact, the conspiracy would need to be even deeper than our colleagues realized. In late July, a researcher looking to dig up dirt on Obama instead found a birth announcement that had been published in the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961:”

http://cdn.factcheck.org/imagefiles/Ask%20FactCheck%20Images/Birth%20Certificate/announcementclose-up.jpg

Obama’s birth announcement - as shown by Factcheck

The announcement was posted by a pro-Hillary Clinton blogger who grudgingly concluded that Obama “likely” was born Aug. 4, 1961 in Honolulu.

BORN IN THE USA:http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

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However, we now know that BOTH ‘birth announcements’ were supposedly ‘discovered’ and sent to both Atlas Shrugs and TexasDarlin websites by E-MAIL!

ATLAS SHRUGS:http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/obamas-birth-no.html

Infidel Granny in the comment section wrote :

“A research librarian at the Hawaii State Library just told me she will email me a copy of BOH’s birth announcement. She stated someone else had asked for that info recently and still had it readily available in her folder. It appeared in the Honolulu Sunday Advertiser on Aug. 13, 1961. It said that Mr. and Mrs. BHO had a son on Aug. 4, 1961. Gives their address as 605 Kalaninole Highway. It does not give the name of a hospital were the birth occurred or the name of the son. So, to me, the question remains- Was BHO Jr. actually born on US soil? BHO needs to provide verifiable proof of the exact location (Hawaiian hospital) where he was born.

I asked her to send me a copy of the Obama’s birth notice.”

The TexasDarlin ‘birth announcement’ was supplied by ‘Lori Starfelt’ see:

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/obama-was-likely-born-in-hawaii/

“*The birth announcement was tracked down by Lori Starfelt, the producer of a documentary that PUMA is working on. READ the comments below for in-depth explanations from Lori about the announcement.”

There is no mention that anyone ever saw the original or the microfilm. For all we know, Infidel Granny and Lori might be the same person...and I’m not going to far out on a limb by suggesting I think I know who that individual works for, am I?

THE ‘BIRTH ANNOUNCEMENTS’ APPEAR TO HAVE BEEN SUPPLED TO TEXASDARLIN AND ATLAS SHRUGS BY E-MAIL BY ANONYMOUS PERSONS.

FACTCHECK THEN USED THE VERY SAME IMAGES!

[AnAmericanMother]

It's the easiest thing in the world to fake a newspaper announcement (my dad did some legal work for the Journal-Constitution back in the day, and he had a friend in the typesetting room mock up a front page with a spoofing article as a present for my mom.)

I recall reading here on FR that somebody cross referenced city directories and was able to find out who was living at that address, and it wasn't "the Obamas". It was a married couple who had lived there for many years, apparently the lady was still alive, and she was like "never heard of 'em."

And an uncontested divorce petition and decree is also the easiest thing on earth to obtain, especially if you serve the other party by publication because he is out of the jurisdiction.

My guess is that she had no idea who the daddy was and her parents manufactured a 'marriage' and 'divorce' after the fact to try to give little Barry a virtual father. Interracial marriage has not been a big deal in Hawaii for some time, don't know the history of that, but not having any idea who the father of your child was is still very, very bad. Especially if your mother was a prominent banking official.

The family was probably trying to create a cover story for the grandchild, having no idea that anyone would ever be interested in it again. Unintended consequences . . . .

Reminds me of a story about Queen Mary, whose total unfamiliarity with the "real world" caused a lot of unintentional comedy. She was visiting a lying-in hospital in the East End, and was chatting with a young woman who had an obviously interracial baby. "And is the father very dark too?" asked Queen Mary. "I don't know, ma'am. He never took his hat off."

[rodguy911]

I think it's safe to say that anything that is sealed in Hawaii has already been sanitized. we would be foolish to assume anything else. After all he doesn't take 20 lawyers on his trips there for nothing.

I doubt the most staunch govt. official in Hawaii is going to tell zero no. People know what happens when they do.

Any info we get will have to be gotten the old fashioned way. we will have to dig and dig some more.

[AnAmericanMother]

Looking at the photocopy of the birth announcement, do you see the visible 'let in' lines above and below the Obama announcement? Upper one's intermittent, lower one's solid, but they don't line up with the typesetting lines on the rest of the page.

The let in line includes the first line of the following announcement.

It seems possible to me that the Obama announcement was 'stripped in', but somebody who's more familiar with Linotype is going to have to look into it further.

And according to post 300, it was the long-time neighbor, not the widow, who said "never heard of 'em."

[penelopesire]

This was interesting too:

“She added that the U.S. Supreme Court has recognized the state’s current certification of live birth “as an official birth certificate meeting all federal and other requirements.”

For the US Supremes to have issued an opinion on the matter, someone had to bring a court case involving the so called ‘program’ years ago. It would not be the case against Obama because the Supremes did not take the case. Right? I wonder if we could find the case she is talking about? It seems to me that this is one of the keys to unlocking this particular lie being set up by the Obama brownshirts.

[Protect the Bill of Rights]

You nudged a memory.....There is a sealed copy of my original birth record along with the adoption papers and records at the appropriate state agency. I guess that would be considered my ‘vault’ copy. I can (and have) seen the court docs (but not the orginal COLB) with the names redacted (which is not a big deal, because I know all of the names).

So there is an original birth record but it would take an act of God to get it opened.

[bvw]

All the statements are weird. None confirm any facts of Obama’s birth, yet they ARE deceptive about records policy. Perhaps in order to erase Obama’s papers they erased the paperwork of everyone.

[cripplecreek]

It seems possible to me that the Obama announcement was 'stripped in', but somebody who's more familiar with Linotype is going to have to look into it further.

It really wouldn't need to be nor would it be evidence of any attempt to set up a history. All it requires is proud grandparents sending annanouncement to the papers.

I was born in one part of the state but there was a birth announcement where my grandparents lived. Ir doesn't mean I was born there, only that my grandmother sent an announcement to her local paper.

[cripplecreek]

I don’t think even I can have the actual physical vault copy of my birth certificate. I believe that actually belongs to the state and is a solid basis they build their records on.

[Polarik]

The key thing that we all need to remember that FACTCHECK is a major player in this birth certificate ruse, and they are fully complicit in it, even if the staffers, like Jess Henig, who did the picture shoot and the story with Bob Miller tagging along, may not know the full extent of the “scam.” Henig seems to know more than she's letting on, and acting naive when the situation calls for it.

However, from the very start, it was clear that Factcheck was sjilling for Obama, and did more than than anyone to obfuscate the truth about the scan image.

Rather than confirm the validity of their first birth certificate, Factcheck's photoshoot took this document fraud to a whole other level.

The sole reason for why Factcheck took these photos was to back up their claims about the scan image!

Let that sink in for a moment, because it is a key to their involvement in the BC scam. They were not taken to provide evidence that Obama’s COLB was “real.” The photos had to portray the fraudulent document as being the same one used to produce the scan image.

Factcheck’s "mission" was to quell the controversy arising from the scan image, by specifically addressing the criticisms that were raised by many people, but more importantly - to SPECIFICALLY “debunk” call out the conclusions that I made, as well as those out forth by the fraud, TechDude.

Today, everyone who invokes Factcheck is referencing the “fact checking “ they did with the scan image, and not their photographs., because that is what Factcheck was doing, and because the scan image was widely disseminated across the Internet, while the photos were not.

This Friday marks the one year anniversary of the bogus COLB scan being posted on the Daily Kos and Barackobama.com. Who would have thought that a year would go by and this scan image is still being defended to the death by the pro-Obama people convinced (or rather, refuse to believe otherwise) that Obama was born in Hawaii, and is who he says he is. This lousy scan image forgery is their “Golden Calf,” that they worship as the proof of birth of their Oba-Messiah.

For most of the “Birthers,” the COLB was deemed insignificant and the quest for the long-form BC is to Birthers what the quest for the “Holy Grail” is to Indiana Jones.

Yet, the original forgery still lingers on, and like a zombie in the night, it refuses to die. But the COLB was DOA from the moment it was posted, and that's the message I wish to hammer home.

In regards to the COLB forgery, Factcheck is to Obama what Bonnie was to Clyde.

Finally, when others marginalize the existence of Obama’s COLB and its importance, it is up to us to capitalize on its nonexistence and the ramifications of document fraud.

[cripplecreek]

I simply ignore all claims made by factcheck.

[Protect the Bill of Rights]

The difference between cripplecreek and myself is that CC has access to the information on his/her original record and I do not.

Has that ever been determined with Obama?

[Freedom56v2]

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Obama has lived for almost 50 years without leaving any footprints — none! There is no Obama documentation — no bona fides — no paper trail — nothing.

Original, vault copy birth certificate — Not released — Lawyers fees — greater than $1,000,000 — birth certificate — $15.
Certification of Live Birth — Released — Counterfeit
Obama/Dunham marriage license — Not released Obama/Dunham divorce — Released (by independent investigators)
Kindergarten records — Records lost (this is a big one — see here — read two frames)
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Soetoro adoption records — Not released
Fransiskus Assisi School School application — Released (by independent investigators)
Punahou School records — Not released
Soetoro/Dunham divorce — Released (by independent investigators)
Selective Service Registration — Released — Counterfeit
Occidental College records — Not released
Passport — Not released and records scrubbed clean by Obama’s terrorism and intelligence adviser.
Columbia College records — Not released
Columbia thesis — “Soviet Nuclear Disarmament” — Not released
Harvard College records — Not released
Harvard Law Review articles — None
Illinois Bar Records — Not released.
Baptism certificate — None
Medical records — Not released
Illinois State Senate records — None
Illinois State Senate schedule — Lost
Law practice client list — Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles — None

The Illinois State Archives told Judicial Watch that they never received any request from Senator Obama to archive any records in his possession. In 2007, Obama told Tim Russert that his records were “not kept.”

And there’s less on the web every day. In time, the entire Obama body of knowledge will consist of 3 documents — “Dreams From My Father” — “The Audacity of Hope” — and the latest — “Change We Can Believe In” — all written by Barack Hussein Obama or his “ghost-writers.”

Just an accident? I don’t think so.

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Just an amazing list. How are they scrubbing the web?