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Parents or the State: Who Decides?
theBeacon ^ | 06.04.09 | Most Reverend Arthur J. Serratelli, S.T.D., S.S.L., D.D

Posted on 06/07/2009 6:24:14 PM PDT by Coleus

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To: mplsconservative
Sorry, not the school board type. We teach our son life lessons/morals at home. I'm a gentle soul who just cares about kids. You seem to be on a trolling mission.

Like I said, sorry about my efforts on behalf of emotionally disturbed kids. And as for trolling, you were the one who brought up the topic of some sort of inability of childless people to care for the welfare of children. On behalf of the millions of people who would take your position towards them as a slap in the face, I politely disagree.

61 posted on 06/07/2009 8:47:22 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: Talisker
Playing the victim, I see. It was not my intent ‘to slap you in the face.’ I've worked as a para-professional with many children that have been ignored/abused/assaulted way beyond their years.
62 posted on 06/07/2009 8:57:48 PM PDT by mplsconservative
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Playing the victim, I see. It was not my intent ‘to slap you in the face.’ I've worked as a para-professional with many children that have been ignored/abused/assaulted way beyond their years.

It's called sarcasm, in response to your disrespect. And as you haven't reversed your contention about the ability of childless people to care for "all children," it seems your "intent" is exactly as you spoke.

Though I applaud your work with harmed children, of course.

63 posted on 06/07/2009 9:05:43 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: Talisker

Thanks. My feelings exactly. You stated it better than I did.


64 posted on 06/07/2009 9:53:38 PM PDT by pbmaltzman
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To: Talisker
Does the State?

Of course not. It is highly unlikely that the actions of the state will kill this boy. It is quite likely that the parents' actions will.

65 posted on 06/08/2009 1:27:23 AM PDT by Dianna (Obama Barbie: Governing is hard.)
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To: Coleus
The circumstances of the Hauser case do not warrant this screed's theme.
66 posted on 06/08/2009 7:00:11 AM PDT by verity ("Lord, what fools we mortals be!")
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To: Quix

Something’s afoot alright. God help us all.


67 posted on 06/08/2009 7:56:45 AM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: Marysecretary

INDEED.

THX


68 posted on 06/08/2009 8:10:03 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; annalex; ...

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69 posted on 06/08/2009 12:37:31 PM PDT by Coleus (Abortion, Euthanasia & FOCA - - don't Obama and the Democrats just kill ya!)
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“The law's concept of the family rests on a presumption that parents possess what a child lacks in maturity, experience, and capacity for judgment required for making life's difficult decisions."

Slice and dice time: one size does not fit all.

70 posted on 06/08/2009 12:44:05 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: Dianna

I hope all y’all are pro-choice.

There is a difference between withholding treatment and murder.


71 posted on 06/08/2009 5:45:50 PM PDT by Chickensoup ("Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.")
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72 posted on 06/08/2009 6:51:25 PM PDT by Coleus (Abortion, Euthanasia & FOCA - - don't Obama and the Democrats just kill ya!)
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There is a difference between withholding treatment and murder.

Yeah, about the width of a hair

73 posted on 06/08/2009 7:31:35 PM PDT by Dianna (Obama Barbie: Governing is hard.)
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Of course not. It is highly unlikely that the actions of the state will kill this boy. It is quite likely that the parents' actions will.

Let's not conflate issues. The first is where to right to risk the boy's life comes from, the second is whether the boy will survive the selected treatment.

And as for your likely/unlikely, you won't find a doctor who will say the state-decreed medical approach will cure the boy, NOR will you find a doctor who will guarantee him any particular amount of time of life left, let alone a quality of life, for the boy.

As harsh as it sounds, the parents have the right to risk the boy's life, not the state. That means, if they are not malicious or mentally incompetent, they have the right to make a choice which could lead to the death of the boy. That is not the "right to kill the boy" as you put it - which is about as unfairly inflammatory as you could possibly skew the subject. But it IS the right to make a choice that could lead to the boys death.

Many people here have said that the state has the right to decide the medical procedure which the boy will receive. They are wrong. The state may seize the boy, it may throw the parents in jail, and the boy may live or die. But that is force of legal presumption over property, not right And there are NO administrators, bureaucrats or doctors who will take the personal responsibility of the boy's life. Every one of them will claim to be "just following orders."

74 posted on 06/08/2009 7:52:52 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: Quix

You nailed it: the UN is a major player in End Times.


75 posted on 06/12/2009 6:08:10 AM PDT by SisterK (to judge the quick and the dead)
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Whether the globalists trash this UN & set up another such or not . . . that sort of structure will rule the day for 7 years more intensely than anyone but satanists really would prefer.


76 posted on 06/12/2009 8:19:45 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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