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Evolution can occur in less than 10 years
UC Riverside/ Amercian Naturalist via Eureka Alerts ^ | Iqbal Pittalwala

Posted on 06/11/2009 11:19:01 AM PDT by Pharmboy

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To: OldNavyVet

See post 40


41 posted on 06/11/2009 11:48:56 AM PDT by OldNavyVet (The essence of evil lies in the irrational.)
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To: Pharmboy
That's not evolution, that's adaptation.

They are both still guppies, even of the same species, correct?

42 posted on 06/11/2009 11:51:52 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Pharmboy

This is adaptation, not evolution. Somebody call me when the guppies turn into dogs.


43 posted on 06/11/2009 11:52:51 AM PDT by pgkdan ( I miss Ronald Reagan!)
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To: Pharmboy

This is adaptation not evolution. Big difference.


44 posted on 06/11/2009 11:53:42 AM PDT by Mogollon (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Pharmboy

Bummer, I thought they were going to change into a horse or cow or something interesting. They are still fish!!


45 posted on 06/11/2009 11:56:32 AM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I’m seeing that more and more often ... trying to pass adaptation off as macro-evolution. Can’t tell if it’s just an under-educated few or another example of the liberal attempt at word redefinition to suit political purpose.


46 posted on 06/11/2009 12:04:56 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: aruanan

Well, it could have been worse: it might have already been posted, THEN I would REALLY be in trouble...


47 posted on 06/11/2009 12:05:07 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Who ever thought we would long for the days of the Clinton administration...)
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To: Pharmboy
...but they didn't grow legs and turn into the evolutionist's self-proclaimed ancestors...

...monkeys.

48 posted on 06/11/2009 12:09:49 PM PDT by woollyone (I believe God created me- you believe you're related to monkeys. Of course I laughed at you!)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Isn’t it amazing how quickly God’s creatures can adapt to their surroundings?

Indeed. Thank you for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!
49 posted on 06/11/2009 12:15:12 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Pharmboy

It is not evolution. There is no new species here no even anything that leads to a new species. it is ADAPTATION. Happens all the time.When you don’t have predators the basic herd adapts this isn’t even new


50 posted on 06/11/2009 12:23:28 PM PDT by the long march
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To: Pharmboy; ClearCase_guy
Evolution is defined as genetic change over time, sometimes leading to new species, sometimes sub-species, sometimes breeds or races.

It's easy to say that evolution has happened when the definition or species or evolving is so flexible are to meaningless.

At that rate, there are uncounted billions of species on the planet with only a one member representation.

So many species of Homo Sapiens are there?

51 posted on 06/11/2009 12:25:48 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: SoldierDad; GodGunsGuts
So, the article uses the term Adaptation - where's the fire?

You missed a few. But still no fire....

...adapted in less than 30 generations ...

...guppies in the low-predation environment above the barrier waterfall had adapted to their new environment ...

...No such adaptation ...

...of many adaptive differences ...

...how well adapted to survival ...

...This shows that adaptive change ...

52 posted on 06/11/2009 12:33:24 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: so_real; ClearCase_guy
Can’t tell if it’s just an under-educated few or another example of the liberal attempt at word redefinition to suit political purpose.

Gotta be the latter. Dontcha know that anyone who believes in evolution is a *real* scientist who got a *real* education?

53 posted on 06/11/2009 12:36:06 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Pharmboy

Now if only they can change their underware fast enough when it all comes crashing down on them that this is not evolution. No change of species; just cousins that look different.


54 posted on 06/11/2009 12:40:22 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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"High-predation females invest more resources into current reproduction because a high rate of mortality..."

And did you ever notice how lawn grass that gets mowed produces seed heads on shorter stems?

55 posted on 06/11/2009 12:43:48 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: Pharmboy
The thing that bothers me about the evolution debate is that you either buy the whole evolution theory and ignore all anomolies in the data or you are a 6k'er. I have issues with evolution but I am not a Christian so I find it almost impossible to discuss. The issue is completely coopted.

Clearly this evidence could be supporting evidence for evolution theory, but it could also just be that larger babies are best and when females arent under predation threat they grow to full term.

56 posted on 06/11/2009 12:50:29 PM PDT by douginthearmy (Until I get the proper order at the drive-thru, the unemployment rate is too LOW!)
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To: Pharmboy

Do they become anything other than a fish? There is a difference between speciation and evolution. I suspect that what is occurring is speciation.


57 posted on 06/11/2009 1:15:38 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (When do the impeachment proceedings begin?)
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To: Pharmboy

So, in the low-predation area, did fewer of the offspring of the guppies that produced more offspring survive and reproduce than did the offspring of the guppies that produced fewer (but larger) offspring? If so, that would be natural selection, with the offspring of the guppies that were genetically predisposed to produce fewer, but larger, offspring more likely to survive and pass their genes on to the next generation. But the article didn’t say that-—it merely reported that in the low-predation area guppies did not see the need to have as many offspring. That’s a change in behavior, not a genetic change. It’s not natural selection or evolution.


58 posted on 06/11/2009 1:39:15 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (Fred Thompson appears human-sized because he is actually standing a million miles away.)
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To: Pharmboy

It is fast, and it goes with what many of us Creationists believe to be true. It happens a lot quicker than what many think. Important note, these are still guppies and will forever be guppies.


59 posted on 06/11/2009 2:06:56 PM PDT by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked. Prov. 25:26)
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To: Westbrook

Well said...the goalposts keep moving...by design ironically enough, so that merely defining evolution now is like nailing jello to a wall.


60 posted on 06/11/2009 2:10:22 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for g!ood men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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