That is pretty fast change...
1 posted on
06/11/2009 11:19:01 AM PDT by
Pharmboy
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To: Pharmboy
Just look how much weight Rosie O’Donnell has gained in the last decade.
2 posted on
06/11/2009 11:19:57 AM PDT by
Borges
To: GodGunsGuts
3 posted on
06/11/2009 11:20:41 AM PDT by
Perdogg
(Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State)
To: Pharmboy
They are equating Adaptation with Evolution.
From the standpoint of "the controversy" the biggest issue is: does one kind of animal give rise to another kind of animal? The adaptation seen in this population of guppies does not contribute to that debate.
6 posted on
06/11/2009 11:23:38 AM PDT by
ClearCase_guy
(We are a ruled people, serfs to the Federal Oligarchy -- and the Tree of Liberty thirsts)
To: Pharmboy
Survival of the fittest, Survival of the fittest .
7 posted on
06/11/2009 11:23:55 AM PDT by
org.whodat
("Way past time for new commodities regulation")
To: Pharmboy
Does anyone dispute “fast” change?
8 posted on
06/11/2009 11:24:37 AM PDT by
Boiling Pots
(Barack Obama: The final turd George W. Bush laid on America)
To: Pharmboy
Still the same species and as far as we can tell NO NEW GENES or even methylation changes.
Guppies have frequently gone from the salubrious environment of a home fish tank with power pump, regular feeding, perfect temperature RIGHT INTO THE TOILET and down the sewer, and still survived.
9 posted on
06/11/2009 11:25:09 AM PDT by
muawiyah
To: Pharmboy
So no predators and they grow larger since they eat more and grow... that is not evolution. After 10 years, they are still guppies.
17 posted on
06/11/2009 11:31:41 AM PDT by
edcoil
(Reality doesn't have to say much.)
To: Pharmboy
Mutations happen; some of them improve their host’s life, some might be passed on to future generations. and some might lead to creation of new species.
Steve Jones, on page 170 of “Darwin’s Ghost,” writes: “DNA’s inability to copy itself without mistakes — mutation — means that evolution is inevitable.”
19 posted on
06/11/2009 11:33:21 AM PDT by
OldNavyVet
(The essence of evil lies in the irrational.)
To: Pharmboy
There is no reason why a sufficient number of adaptations like this couldn’t lead to speciation. It would take a long time to observe (except in the case of microbes) but its possible.
21 posted on
06/11/2009 11:34:20 AM PDT by
navyguy
(The National Reset Button is pushed with the trigger finger.)
To: Pharmboy
That is pretty fast change...
Especially since this story has been out there for about 10 years.
33 posted on
06/11/2009 11:41:34 AM PDT by
aruanan
To: Pharmboy
That is pretty fast change...
Especially since this story has been out there for about 10 years.
I know this because I cited one of these studies while writing a thesis proposal back in 1996 or 1997.
35 posted on
06/11/2009 11:43:10 AM PDT by
aruanan
To: Pharmboy
Clearly this is the missing link to more public junk science grants...
37 posted on
06/11/2009 11:45:25 AM PDT by
The Spirit Of Allegiance
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To: Pharmboy
You could take these same two groups of guppies and reverse their environmental conditions and in the same amount of time see the exact same changes.
Their genome hasn’t changed, merely the expression of it due to environmental conditions.
You could in fact produce the exact same results in your own home aquarium set up. In the end you’d still just have guppies with the same old guppy genome.
38 posted on
06/11/2009 11:45:42 AM PDT by
Valpal1
(Always be prepared to make that difference.)
To: Pharmboy
“Evolution can occur in less than 10 years”
eah...just look at how your 401k has evolved.
39 posted on
06/11/2009 11:46:04 AM PDT by
Mashood
To: Pharmboy
That's not evolution, that's adaptation.
They are both still guppies, even of the same species, correct?
42 posted on
06/11/2009 11:51:52 AM PDT by
Just another Joe
(Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
To: Pharmboy
This is adaptation, not evolution. Somebody call me when the guppies turn into dogs.
43 posted on
06/11/2009 11:52:51 AM PDT by
pgkdan
( I miss Ronald Reagan!)
To: Pharmboy
This is adaptation not evolution. Big difference.
44 posted on
06/11/2009 11:53:42 AM PDT by
Mogollon
(Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -- Thomas Jefferson)
To: Pharmboy
Bummer, I thought they were going to change into a horse or cow or something interesting. They are still fish!!
45 posted on
06/11/2009 11:56:32 AM PDT by
mountainlion
(concerned conservative.)
To: Pharmboy
...but they didn't grow legs and turn into the evolutionist's self-proclaimed ancestors...
...monkeys.
48 posted on
06/11/2009 12:09:49 PM PDT by
woollyone
(I believe God created me- you believe you're related to monkeys. Of course I laughed at you!)
To: Pharmboy
It is not evolution. There is no new species here no even anything that leads to a new species. it is ADAPTATION. Happens all the time.When you don’t have predators the basic herd adapts this isn’t even new
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