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Florida Police Fatally Shoot Man in His Bedroom (Administrative leave!!!!)
Foxnews ^ | 6/15/2009 | Staff

Posted on 06/15/2009 7:48:27 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA

Police were called early Sunday to the home Manuel Salvador Morales Jr. shared with his parents because relatives said Morales was threatening himself with knives. Police spokesman Tom Nichols says two officers confronted Morales, who was armed and failed to comply with their commands. No additional details about the confrontation or how Morales was armed were released.

Nichols says Officer Albert Riccardi fired two shots at Morales, who was hit twice in the torso and pronounced dead at a hospital.

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KEYWORDS: codeofsilence; donutwatch; murderbycop; suicidebycop
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Armed with a knife and threatening HIMSELF????

For you or I, this would automatically mean prison.

1 posted on 06/15/2009 7:48:27 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA
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To: Red in Blue PA

copicide...


2 posted on 06/15/2009 7:49:36 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Sounds like a possible “suicide by cop”.


3 posted on 06/15/2009 7:50:01 AM PDT by Cathy
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To: Cathy
Sounds like a possible “suicide by cop”.

Don't you first need to actually threaten a cop?
4 posted on 06/15/2009 7:50:36 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Well, they certainly stopped him from hurting himself, no?


5 posted on 06/15/2009 7:51:06 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
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To: xcamel

Just more evidence that we cannot be trusted with pocket knives.....


6 posted on 06/15/2009 7:53:11 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Prepare. It's Coming.)
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To: jalisco555

Imagine if the father had shot the son, and police arrived at the scene and he said “he was threatening himself”.

He’d be in jail.


7 posted on 06/15/2009 7:53:16 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

We had a guy across the street from my office a couple of years ago who was threatening to kill himself with a knife. Cops showed up, ordered him to drop the weapon and when he refused shot and killed him. I guess they didn’t understand that they were there to try and save the guy’s life.


8 posted on 06/15/2009 7:53:17 AM PDT by pgkdan ( I miss Ronald Reagan!)
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To: Cathy

Sounds more like murder by cop...


9 posted on 06/15/2009 7:53:53 AM PDT by pgkdan ( I miss Ronald Reagan!)
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To: pgkdan

I bet the parents regret making that phone call.


10 posted on 06/15/2009 7:54:07 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Of course, this is a travesty. That said, some more details would be helpful.


11 posted on 06/15/2009 7:54:43 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Red in Blue PA
...relatives said Morales was threatening himself with knives.

No additional details...or how Morales was armed were released.

I'm guessing knives.

12 posted on 06/15/2009 7:55:06 AM PDT by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: Red in Blue PA

How can you tell from the article whether or not he threatened the responding officers? If you have some more information - please share it. This sounds like a situation where it could be a suicide by cop is all I am saying.

Normally Departments don’t release a lot of information initially, we’ll see what their investigation uncovers.


13 posted on 06/15/2009 7:55:56 AM PDT by Cathy
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To: pgkdan
Thank God you were there and saw the whole thing. Without your unbiased, objective views, where would we be?
14 posted on 06/15/2009 7:56:51 AM PDT by Glennb51
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To: Cathy
Police spokesman Tom Nichols says two officers confronted Morales, who was armed and failed to comply with their commands

Sounds like 2 officers confronted him, not the other way around.

They surely would have specified that if that was the case.
15 posted on 06/15/2009 7:57:09 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: pgkdan

If you are inclined to believe Cops are out there murdering “innocent” civilians, there is nothing I can do to change your mind.


16 posted on 06/15/2009 7:57:24 AM PDT by Cathy
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So there are no bad cops?????

What world do you live in?

Even if only .095% of cops are bad, that is a heck of a lot!


17 posted on 06/15/2009 7:58:25 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Don't you first need to actually threaten a cop?

(From the story:)
No additional details about the confrontation or how Morales was armed were released.

Do you know something that isn't in this report?

18 posted on 06/15/2009 7:59:31 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Red in Blue PA

Suicide is illegal. The Police can use deadly force to prevent a crime in progress.


19 posted on 06/15/2009 7:59:37 AM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: Red in Blue PA

Who said there were no bad cops? You are accusing 2 men of murder, don’t you think you are being rash?

C’mon, be sensible. So nearly 1% of cops are bad and there is widespread murder going on in all the departments and nearly 1 million officers from all over the country? Please provide stats to prove this.


20 posted on 06/15/2009 8:00:52 AM PDT by Cathy
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To: Doe Eyes
Suicide is illegal. The Police can use deadly force to prevent a crime in progress.

Speeding is illegal. The Police can use deadly force to prevent a crime in progress.

See how silly that looks?
21 posted on 06/15/2009 8:00:56 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: Cathy

There is almost no situation that can’t be made worse by adding cops.


22 posted on 06/15/2009 8:01:09 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

As I recall, many Police depts are allowed to use deadly force if the person armed with a knife lunges at them. I read somewhere that deadly force can be used if the armed man is within 20 feet of the officers, as a fast man can cover that distance rather quickly.


23 posted on 06/15/2009 8:01:20 AM PDT by theDentist (qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: Red in Blue PA

You cannot commit suicide (without the aid of a chemical suicide machine) but if you try, it carries a violent death sentence.


24 posted on 06/15/2009 8:02:09 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: theDentist

Of course!

My point is that surely the dept would have made it clear if the guy actually did lunge at the officers.

They did not.


25 posted on 06/15/2009 8:02:09 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: Glennb51
How do you justify the cops using deadly force? They were called because the victim was in danger...their reaction was to kill him. Good job. They certainly prevented the poor guy from killing himself!

You may choose to be a statist slave to the police and their bosses if you want. I don't. I still believe in that silly idea that the people in this country are sovereign and that public employees, including the police, work FOR the people.

26 posted on 06/15/2009 8:03:47 AM PDT by pgkdan ( I miss Ronald Reagan!)
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To: Cathy

This was murder. It wasn’t premedated and it may be within the powers of their job, but the man was killed by another man. It may not have even been self-defense (unless he was in close proximity and moving to attack them).

I recall a case in Texas where a man shot two home intruders who’d just looted his neighbor’s house and was coming to his property. An officer was even already on the scene (but the 911 dispatch did not tell the caller this) but the officer did not act, he only observed from a distance because he was awaiting backup.

The man was charged with the murder of these two men but not convicted.


27 posted on 06/15/2009 8:05:16 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
They killed him to save him from himself?
28 posted on 06/15/2009 8:05:42 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell ( David Lesserman. As funny as an overflowing commode.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I don’t think the dept would be releasing any clarifying information in an initial report, which makes this whole discussion a bit premature.

Again, if someone has more information, please share it. If not, I propose waiting for some before calling the cops murderers like another poster.


29 posted on 06/15/2009 8:06:00 AM PDT by Cathy
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To: Cathy
How can you tell from the article whether or not he threatened the responding officers?

If that was the case the cops should have retreated and called in somebody who knew what they were doing. If the guy was holding a hostage and it would be a different story...the only hostage was himself.

30 posted on 06/15/2009 8:06:00 AM PDT by pgkdan ( I miss Ronald Reagan!)
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Your ignorance is noteworthy. Where is there evidence these officers did not know what they are doing?

Do you understand the article was approx 10 sentences long with absolutely no specifics? Please stop with your ASSumptions that the officers are at fault, it is premature and ridiculous.


31 posted on 06/15/2009 8:08:17 AM PDT by Cathy
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To: pgkdan
You were there and saw the whole thing.

You choose to be an anarchist. Jump on your soap box and make up whatever lies you want believing you are the only one not fooled. You are no better than the new York Times, and those you choose to denigrate and rail against.

Enjoy the kool-aid.

32 posted on 06/15/2009 8:08:30 AM PDT by Glennb51
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To: Red in Blue PA

Seems he would have had a better chance of survival, if they had just let him cut himself up...


33 posted on 06/15/2009 8:08:43 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.)
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Where is there evidence these officers did not know what they are doing?

The DEAD guy in his bed!!! Sheesh stop being such a sheeple!

34 posted on 06/15/2009 8:09:18 AM PDT by pgkdan ( I miss Ronald Reagan!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

schizophrenia + drinking + suicide threat = trouble


35 posted on 06/15/2009 8:10:25 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: Cathy

Then why is the officer on administrative leave????


36 posted on 06/15/2009 8:10:56 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Fixed that! He won’t hurt himself now...


37 posted on 06/15/2009 8:11:29 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Cathy
Please stop with your ASSumptions that the officers are at fault, it is premature and ridiculous. P

Clever little post. If you don't have the guts to call me an ASS don't play games with you shft key.

You made the premature and ridiculous assumption ( see how it's supposed to look?) that this was suicide by cop.

38 posted on 06/15/2009 8:12:04 AM PDT by pgkdan ( I miss Ronald Reagan!)
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Oh my God, so now cops can’t shoot people.

I am generally disgusted with your comments and don’t appreciate being called sheeple.

I am so glad you were an eyewitness to this event. Would you please call the dept and report your account, because I am sure they want to hear from you.


39 posted on 06/15/2009 8:12:49 AM PDT by Cathy
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To: Glennb51

I see you’re from Arizona...now I know how McCain manages to get reelected every 6 years.


40 posted on 06/15/2009 8:13:39 AM PDT by pgkdan ( I miss Ronald Reagan!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

SOP


41 posted on 06/15/2009 8:13:54 AM PDT by Glennb51
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To: Cathy

Let me guess.

You are married to a cop and they can do no wrong.

Am I close?


42 posted on 06/15/2009 8:14:00 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

It is standard. If you are involved in any type of incident that is under investigation you get put on leave.


43 posted on 06/15/2009 8:14:05 AM PDT by Cathy
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To: Red in Blue PA
I'm trying to remember the name of the hillarious black movie where the star extracts himself from a showdown with police by holding a gun to his head and shouting "Don't nobody move or the n***** gets it!"

The police sheepishly move out of the way while the perp-hotage-in-one makes a clean escape. One reason it was so funny was because in our PC world, it is so believable.

44 posted on 06/15/2009 8:15:40 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or, are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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Who said cops can do no wrong? You have a horrible habit of putting words in people’s mouths and knowing what has happened in an incident that has been generally reported in print.

Your sweeping assumptions are breathtaking. Unbelievable. Normally I don’t even respond to posts like yours because you are inclined to believe what you want to believe. I am glad you know so much.

I’ll wait for the invesitgation and more information.


45 posted on 06/15/2009 8:16:50 AM PDT by Cathy
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To: Red in Blue PA

Ok. Lessee here, the worst-case outcome would have been the same had the police not been called. With a good chance of an improved outcome, again, had they not been called.

Yes, I know, there are good police. But you can’t tell the difference by looking.


46 posted on 06/15/2009 8:17:29 AM PDT by RobinOfKingston (Democrats, the party of evil. Republicans, the party of stupid.)
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Oh my God, so now cops can’t shoot people.

You aare definately lacking in the logic department. How you can come to that conclusion is beyond me but let me clear it up for you. Cops shouldn't respond to calls to prevent a suicide attempt by shooting and killing the person they were called to HELP!

47 posted on 06/15/2009 8:17:43 AM PDT by pgkdan ( I miss Ronald Reagan!)
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To: Vigilanteman

‘Blazing Saddles’


48 posted on 06/15/2009 8:18:42 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: pgkdan

I stated it as a possibility, I did so because I do not know any more information than you. You aren’t stating possibilities, you are emphatically saying the officers were at fault and possilby murderers. It is unnecessary to do so, and I doubt you will follow up with an apology if they are cleared.


49 posted on 06/15/2009 8:19:42 AM PDT by Cathy
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Yes, I know, there are good police. But you can’t tell the difference by looking.

I have a friend who is a cop. He states that between 40% and 60% are total scumbags. Thiefs, rapists, druggies, wife beaters and the kind who will beat the bejeezus out of a handcuffed person they arrrested for having two beers and driving home, just for fun.

50 posted on 06/15/2009 8:20:37 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I can spell just fine, thanks, it's my typing that sucks.)
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