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Woman fined $1.9 million for illegal downloads
CNN.com ^ | 2009-06-18 | Elianne Friend

Posted on 06/18/2009 6:29:59 PM PDT by dayglored

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To: gogogodzilla
> If someone with a violin plays Mozart in the park, should the listener (or the violinist) have to pay the Mozart's descendants for the music? No, of course not. Likewise, she put forth for download her songs, which were created by musicians, and the Internet version of a listener (ie: downloader) heard them. Yet, she pays. Hypocrisy is a poison to society.

That's not a proper analogy, since Mozart's music is in the public domain.

Try that with a contemporary pop song, and Rudy will be over to buy yez a drink... so to speak....

61 posted on 06/18/2009 7:24:41 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: truth_seeker

It’s not the same - a copy of a song leaves the original; though I’d love to see technology that can copy cars! Yeah, baby!


62 posted on 06/18/2009 7:25:03 PM PDT by the anti-liberal
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To: dayglored

It depends on what the studio time cost,the production cost were,the union cost,the promo cost,disturb cost,the lawyers fees,the royalty fees and the deal that was set up in the beginning.Not many people understand what it really cost to put out a record on the national/international level.A production cost alone could be half a million dollars.


63 posted on 06/18/2009 7:25:08 PM PDT by taxtruth
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To: dayglored

It depends on what the studio time cost,the production cost were,the union cost,the promo cost,disturb cost,the lawyers fees,the royalty fees and the deal that was set up in the beginning.Not many people understand what it really cost to put out a record on the national/international level.A production cost alone could be half a million dollars.


64 posted on 06/18/2009 7:25:24 PM PDT by taxtruth
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To: org.whodat
> I think in the original story, she was making copies and selling them at a flee market. Sort of a big no, no.

That's the first I've heard of that angle.

If that's the case, I have no sympathy whatsoever if they nail her for that.

65 posted on 06/18/2009 7:26:24 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: the anti-liberal
I stopped buying music years ago. Don’t need it, not worth it.

The more I see millions of people walking around with music plugged into their heads, the less I am interested.

66 posted on 06/18/2009 7:26:54 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ( Obama, you're off the island!)
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To: taxtruth
Yeah ,most of what is produced is thus expensive crap.

So what if I record music into my computer from any of the numerous fine FM radio broadcasters using the common FM tuner card?Why is that fundamentally different from tape recording the song from the radio's earphone jack?Or are you going to tell me that is somehow stealing?

67 posted on 06/18/2009 7:30:22 PM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: the anti-liberal; truth_seeker
> It’s not the same - a copy of a song leaves the original; though I’d love to see technology that can copy cars! Yeah, baby!

Moreover, the copy of a song most often ends up in the possession of someone who would not have paid the price of a CD anyway. So it's not even a "lost sale" (a strawman often used to justify the "copying is stealing" mantra).

As soon as they come out with a technology for copying cars that leaves the original intact, let me know...

68 posted on 06/18/2009 7:30:54 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored

“Tell me, since I’m not real clear on this: Say a track sells on iTunes or Amazon for 99cents. Who gets how much of that buck? How much does the artist see? How much the store? how much goes into actual musical production (recording, mixing)? how much to promo? and how much goes to the middlefolks?”

Why is that your business? You feel laws should be broken, to limit revenue and profit?


69 posted on 06/18/2009 7:31:45 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: PhiKapMom

One thing I find annoying—how many times are we reasonably expected to buy rights to the same song? Vinyl, 8-track, cassette, CD, iTunes, etc.


70 posted on 06/18/2009 7:31:46 PM PDT by NautiNurse (Obama: A day without TOTUS is like a day without sunshine)
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To: dayglored

Alright, a singer goes to the park and sings the Rolling Stones “Satisfaction”...

...the same point applies.

No one would fine/arrest the listeners.


71 posted on 06/18/2009 7:31:59 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: dayglored
Maybe Jammie Thomas-Rasset should have quit while she was behind. Just as in Thomas-Rasset's first trial in 2007, a Minnesota jury found today that she infringed the copyrights of two dozen major-label songs on the Kazaa file-sharing network. But the new jury handed down a much larger punishment -- $80,000 a song, not $9,250. For the labels, that's roughly equivalent to selling 114,000 songs at Apple's iTunes Store. Thomas-Rasset didn't seem likely to pay the original $222,000 penalty, so it seems even less likely that the RIAA will be able to extract nearly $2 million from her. The trade group has always been more interested in winning the judgment than the amount awarded; spokeswoman Cara Duckworth told CNet that the group has been willing to settle "since day one." But the size of the jury's verdict may only increase calls for Congress or the courts to reduce the financial penalties for copyright infringement.

FROM http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2009/06/riaa-jammie-thomas-rasset-piracy-verdict-kazaa.html

72 posted on 06/18/2009 7:34:23 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: dayglored

She was getting illegal downloads.”STEALING”.


73 posted on 06/18/2009 7:34:30 PM PDT by taxtruth
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To: South40

When this first happened it was stated she may have been an illegal.


74 posted on 06/18/2009 7:35:19 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: Right Wing Assault
> I know someone who downloaded the audio of a book she already owned. She got an email from her provider telling her of the copyright infringement and told her to stop downloading books illegally.

I assume you mean she owned a PAPER copy of the book. If so, then the audio copy is a separate creative entity, and IMO is deserving of a separate fee if the audio producer requests one.

75 posted on 06/18/2009 7:35:57 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: truth_seeker
> You feel laws should be broken, to limit revenue and profit?

No of course not. What's your problem -- get off my case with the personal accusations, please.

I asked a simple question of someone who claimed greater knowledge of a topic than mine, and am curious to know the answer.

I have no problem with making revenue and profit in business. I have a problem with parasitic middlemen who do not add value to the product, but time wounds all heels.

76 posted on 06/18/2009 7:39:50 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: hoosierham

I’m not a judge or a lawyer but I do know that the courts are cracking down on illegal thief of music/copyright law on the net.Many people I work with have been devastated via internet thief.


77 posted on 06/18/2009 7:42:36 PM PDT by taxtruth
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To: taxtruth

“Each product can easily be in the millions.”

You’d think for that much money the product would be better.

But then again, how much did Pontiac spend on research for the Aztek ?


78 posted on 06/18/2009 7:43:02 PM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: Always Right
Jurors are sworn, and agree, to follow the law. Jury nullification is the conscious disregard of the law to achieve a desired verdict.

You had better hope that jury nullification stays in the shadows; if it ever becomes the norm we are done for.

Lady Justice wears a blindfold. That is meant to symbolize that the law is supposed to be followed regardless of one's feelings or emotions or prejudices or sympathies.

Part of me feels sorry for this lady. But she plainly broke the law, and the penalties are set forth in the law.

In the olden days, horse thieves were hanged. That was not because horses were so expensive or rare. It was so that people did not steal horses because the penalty was so harsh.

Jury nullification is just another form of judicial activism. Don't like the law? That's cool. Just ignore it and do what you want.

79 posted on 06/18/2009 7:45:36 PM PDT by PackerBoy (Just my opinion ....)
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To: taxtruth
> She was getting illegal downloads.

We've already agreed that what she did was wrong.

> ”STEALING”.

No, find another verb, like "copying". "Stealing" is a misnomer, and you know it. What she was doing was making (and probably distributing) copies of files.

If she took someone else's copy -- such that they didn't have it any more -- THAT is stealing.

Copying. Not stealing. C'mon, it's not hard to understand.

And just so you get it this time, COPYING for your own use is not the same as COPYING AND DISTRIBUTING. IMO the latter is WRONG, while the former is entirely ethical.

80 posted on 06/18/2009 7:47:11 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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