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IRAN: In a rock fight, 10,000 protestors win.
Tehran News BBC ^ | June 21, 2009 | Jeff Head

Posted on 06/21/2009 12:57:50 PM PDT by Jeff Head

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To: Vinnie
Even if it ends up Mousavi, he will know that a popular uprising that brought down the likes of Khamenie and Ahmadinejad, could also do the same to him if he does not maintain more liberty for the people.

That will not be lost on him...or on the people themselves.

101 posted on 06/21/2009 8:23:10 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Vinnie

Recall that after September 11th thousands of Iranians were chanting “ USA, USA “ during a soccer match much to the frustration of the Iranian Police.

They are the most Western of Middle Eastern countries. From all I have read and studied of Iran over the years I’m convinced the vast majority of Persians have no interest in having to live under Islamic law.


102 posted on 06/21/2009 8:32:18 PM PDT by warsaw44
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To: Jeff Head
The black robed,bearded pig fornicators that rule Iran won't stand for this.They rigged this “election” fair and square and now this.There’ll be at least one Tienanmen Square here.And afterward,Hussein will apologize to the pig fornicators and tell them what a bad country we are.
103 posted on 06/21/2009 8:45:43 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Christian+Veteran=Terrorist)
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To: ElectronVolt; Jeff Head

http://pastebay.com/23415

Sometime on Tuesday, small urban gangs began organizing within themselves, and, armed with melee weapons and small caliber firearms, began hunting down and attacking Besiji.

They are being called, amongst themselves somewhat and by the members of Anonymous and other forum assistants, the National Iranian Resistance, or NIR. We know that as NIR were seen to be an asset to the Iranian people, as they offered protection from Besiji and knew the streets of their cities intimately, they began receiving support in the form of information from many older Iranian citizens, such as shop owners and business people. Due to their spontaneous formation, the Resistance has, as of now, no centralized governing body, tending to operating on a tightly knit cellular level. We are at this time unsure of where the Besiji that are being detained by the Resistance are being taken.

The members of the Resistance do this at great risk to themselves. There are many reports of groups of Besiji and Resistance encountering each other, and the Resistance being killed on sight. Additionally, when NIR are found by Pasdarna troops (Also known as the IRG, IRGC, Iranian Revolutionary Guard (Corps)) they are arrested. Where they are taken is currently unknown.

On Wednesday morning, Supreme Ayatollah Khamenei authorized the following individuals complete control to suppress all protest movements in 1 week (June 24th, 2009.) Afshin Kamel, Haj Ali Rezaei, Ali Afsari, Majid Afshardi Amir Ghorbani, Amir Maghouli, Amir Hossein Arich, Mehdi Amiri, Hossein Yabgar, Ilias Dizji, Ebrahim Mahmoodi, Mehdi Ebrahimi, Mehdi Ebrahimi Fereidoon Taghizadeh, and Mahmoud Fatehi. Most of the above are officers within the Pasdarna, of varying ranks.

In response, the Islamic Republic of Iran Army, which is the armed forces sanctioned by the constitution of Iran, have taken measures to protect the people of Iran, and the sanctity of the Republic. Those measures have included arresting Besiji militants, as well as patrolling the streets of various cities, focusing on Tehran, almost continually since Wednesday afternoon until the time of writing, Saturday morning. As they have been ordered, they have taken many Resistance members into custody, however they are yet to turn any over to Pasdarna forces. At this point, that is close to a direct defiance of orders from the Supreme Leader.

At some point after the Army began pursuing Besiji leads, with the combined efforts of the Resistance, the Islamic Republic of Iran Army’s leading officers began telling top politicians, including Khamenei himself, that they plead for no violence, or they will be forced to carry out their constitutional duty and fullfil their oath, protecting the people of Iran. They cite Article 143 of the Iranian Constitution.

Additionally, they state that Ahmadinejad personally violated Article 145 of the Iranian Constitution by using foreign forces against citizens of Iran. As of Thursday evening, both Palestinian Hamas and Lebanese Hezbollah were known to be aiding the Revolutionary Guard.

Finally, they have the legal support granted by Articles 3.6, 38, and 39 to stop any attempted coup d’etat against the Republic. While not publically acknowledged, it is implied that they are accusing Khamenei and Ahmadinejad, as well as the Pasdarna, of attempting to seize total control over the Republic of Iran.

Friday morning, prior to the prayers and Khamenei’s speech, the National Iranian Resistance leaders of various areas began asking for the Iranian Army to assist them in protecting the Iranian people on Saturday.

They also warn that if Khamenei is removed from his seat by political and clerical action by the clerics in Qom, and another Supreme Ayatollah is appointed, it may result in Ahmadinejad and the above named Iranians seizing full control of Iran.

It is suspected that on the protests at Saturday, June 20th, 2009, to be held at 4pm, across the cities of Iran, the Islamic Republic of Iran Army will not have the strength to defend all protests and protesters from the combined threat of Besiji and Iranian Revolutionary Guard forces. The National Iranian Resistance have shared that they are going to attend protests and do what they can to protect people from military action, however they have very little military experience and acknowledge that flaw.

Additionally, members of the Resistance with clerical experience will be with the protesters, providing them with the guidance and protection of God, an additional disobedience to the will of Khamenei.

Published at 12:39, Saturday, June 20th, 2009 [Iranian Time]
The above document was written by ProtesterHelp, available on twitter at http://twitter.com/ProtesterHelp and e-mail at ph.on.twitter@gmail.com. Please share this with whoever you feel would be interested.


104 posted on 06/21/2009 8:51:33 PM PDT by meadsjn
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To: Jeff Head

Thanks for the ping!


105 posted on 06/21/2009 9:02:51 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: califamily4W

Wow! Wonderful. screen is blurry.


106 posted on 06/21/2009 9:13:20 PM PDT by MamaB (Heb.13:2)
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To: Jeff Head

Just ignore that poster, Jeff. Some have to cause trouble on every thread.


107 posted on 06/21/2009 9:16:34 PM PDT by MamaB (Heb.13:2)
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To: McGavin999

Very well stated. Thank you.


108 posted on 06/21/2009 9:19:49 PM PDT by MamaB (Heb.13:2)
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To: meadsjn

“In response, the Islamic Republic of Iran Army, which is the armed forces sanctioned by the constitution of Iran, have taken measures to protect the people of Iran, and the sanctity of the Republic. Those measures have included arresting Besiji militants.....

Finally, they have the legal support granted by Articles 3.6, 38, and 39 to stop any attempted coup d’etat against the Republic. While not publically acknowledged, it is implied that they are accusing Khamenei and Ahmadinejad, as well as the Pasdarna, of attempting to seize total control over the Republic of Iran.”

I watched Valkrie (sp?) the other night - the Tom Cruise (bleh) movie about the Hitler assasination. Fairly boring, but interesting in the movie about using Hitler’s special army forces to put down a coup (fake) by the SS. Sounds like a similar thing in Iran - without the fake part.


109 posted on 06/21/2009 9:22:20 PM PDT by 21twelve (Drive Reality out with a pitchfork if you want , it always comes back.)
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To: Jeff Head

Thanks for posting Jeff. Fascinating historical change we are observing. I saw one of your posts on twubs, the continuous scroll link...here...

http://twubs.com/iranelection

Keep up the great work.

Iran Freedom BUMP!


110 posted on 06/21/2009 9:28:44 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: meadsjn; NormsRevenge; Marine_Uncle; SolidWood; Straight Vermonter; G8 Diplomat; Man50D; ...

I have not seen that anywhere else....so the Army is doing something....that is big news....


111 posted on 06/21/2009 9:32:42 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: PGalt; Noumenon; Lurker; LS; Eaker; soundbits; joanie-f
Many of these Iranians I am conversing with on twitter are patriots to their country and patriots for liberty. Listen to this response I just got...

There is no fear here now. I feel it in the air. We all are ready to become martyrs. Why live if you are not free? No point.

With that attitude, those people will be free. They understand its worth, and they understand the currency demanded for payment.

112 posted on 06/21/2009 9:34:32 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: meadsjn
I just read on twitter, unconfirmed reports coming in from Iranians, these:

Spiegel reporting 5000 Hezbollah fighters brought into Tehran

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Head of Tehran Revolutionary Guard, Sardar Ali Fazli just detained for refusing orders,

Travis, meadsjn & Ernest...see also my post 112.

113 posted on 06/21/2009 9:39:47 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head

http://tinychat.com/iranelection

Poster from Tehran reports that most of the govt thugs are speaking Arabic (indicating Hamas or Hezbolluh), some are blond/blue-eyed, possibly eastern European.


114 posted on 06/21/2009 9:51:11 PM PDT by meadsjn
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To: Jeff Head
Spiegel reporting 5000 Hezbollah fighters brought into Tehran

That is not good....

Head of Tehran Revolutionary Guard, Sardar Ali Fazli just detained for refusing orders,

Bringing in outside thugs is going to cause more resistance....

115 posted on 06/21/2009 9:51:50 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; meadsjn
If they use mercenaries to crack down when the regular forces will not...then there will be open civil war between the military and the government will fall or be very severelly destabilized.

Bibi and the Israelis will be all over this...helping the liberty movement to stand and fight.

We are seeing the full projection of the Bush policy in the mid-east playing out here.

116 posted on 06/21/2009 9:56:14 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: meadsjn

Been hearing that a lot of the Basij was Hamas or Hezbollah, particularly Hexbollah, for a couple of days now. The Iranian people have started regulalry chanting “Death to the Basij”, and because they know who brought it on them, “Death to Khamenie” now too.


117 posted on 06/21/2009 9:57:42 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head

It’s hard to tell who is really there, who is with protesters, who is govt plant, on twitter and the chats. Sounds like it’s early morning and people are going back out in the streets.


118 posted on 06/21/2009 10:12:56 PM PDT by meadsjn
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To: Jeff Head

Morning reminder for a great thread - thanks Jeff.

There was a thread awhile back that I believe a freeper had written a fictional short story for a magazine. Set in the near future with the U.S. government using outside forces (through the U.N.) to put down rebellions in the U.S.


119 posted on 06/21/2009 10:29:27 PM PDT by 21twelve (Drive Reality out with a pitchfork if you want , it always comes back.)
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To: Jeff Head

The bunch of cops were actually kickin’ up a dust cloud behind them!!!! Talk about ZOOM!!!!


120 posted on 06/21/2009 11:25:02 PM PDT by dasboot
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To: Covenantor

My comment about the 10,000 rocks was tongue-in-cheek. Maybe I expected a little too much from my fellow Freepers and Freepettes since it seemed to fall flat. . :•(


121 posted on 06/22/2009 1:06:28 AM PDT by Misterioso (Civilization is the process of setting man free from men. -- Ayn Rand)
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To: Jeff Head
Yah, but that word "martyrs" concerns me a little.

BTW, just finished a few days research at the Reagan Library. Did you know that after the 1983 truck bombing in Lebanon, Lebanese Muslim papers called American Marines "martyrs?"

122 posted on 06/22/2009 3:42:58 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: JoeFromSidney

During my Corporate life - I had the opportunity to conduct business in much of Asia, Europe and the Middle East...

In Asia - there is no more professional, trustworthy or reliable business partner than the Japanese..

In Europe - the Czechs hold that position..

In the Muslim Middle East - the Iranians were the ONLY choice as business partners... I came to believe this was as much due to their non Arab ethnicity as to their inherent love of freedom and honesty. From my limited exposure - I will say I didn’t meet an Arab I would trust with anything I held dear.


123 posted on 06/22/2009 11:00:40 AM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: Jeff Head

Thanks for the pings.

Fazli’s refusal means a big split in the Establishment Elite.


124 posted on 06/22/2009 12:00:51 PM PDT by swarthyguy ("We may be crazy in Pakistan, but not completely out of our minds," ISI Gen. Ahmed Shujaa Pasha)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Fred Nerks; ...
Thanks Ernest for all of these, for the pings, and the topics you've posted:
125 posted on 06/22/2009 2:32:23 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Perhaps it is time for a few wings of F22's to fly over major Iranian population centers where they avoid radar detection, and drop huge bursts of the United States Declaration of Independence, written in Farsi and Arab. The people might start to see why America is what it is. And it is no evil agent of Satan.
I yet to hear some major speech by zero where he paraphrases all the things George W. Bush had echoed across our land and elsewhere for eight year regarding freedom.
That would really set off the pinkos and far left.
126 posted on 06/22/2009 5:13:49 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Obama must be making huge piles of cigarette butts around the WH grounds at this point.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; meadsjn; Jeff Head
"I have not seen that anywhere else....so the Army is doing something....that is big news...."
I second that one. Perhaps things have not reached a boiling point yet. Once the Iranian regular military decide enough is enough, who know how this all may end up. The IRGC is powerful and brutal, and where partly designed early on to keep the military in line, sort of gestapo, as well as primary to keeping the Grand Ayatolah safe and in absolute power.
But if the will of the admirals and generals with their chief of staffs and officer corp decide it is time to boot the clergy and mad dog from power this all could really change the whole mid east as well as show all two bit dictators in S. America and the far east etc., the gig is up.
It could push back the clock to pre-revolution days this time with a true elected body of democratically minded individuals (how should we say, with education and knowledge of how western democracy operate).
The Islamist back in the days of the Shah's regime really where the reason for the secret police having to come to power and do what they did. Islam forced the hand of the Shah. Otherwise heaven only knows how prosperous and westernize Iran would have become. And they would not have had a war with Iraq most likely.
Perhaps enough brave and old school educated military folks will decide what is the best course for their country.
127 posted on 06/22/2009 5:50:21 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Obama must be making huge piles of cigarette butts around the WH grounds at this point.)
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