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Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: Dietrich Bonhoeffer
International Bonhoeffer Society ^ | June 22, 2009 | LQCincinnatus

Posted on 06/22/2009 10:17:26 AM PDT by lqcincinnatus

Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.—Dietrich Bonhoeffer

Question. Silence in the face of murder in the streets of Tehran and a government killing our citizens and soldiers. Vocal support for democratic elections and unseen consequences.

TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bho44; bonhoeffer; greenrevolution; iran; obama; protests; response
And your thoughts?
1 posted on 06/22/2009 10:17:26 AM PDT by lqcincinnatus
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2 posted on 06/22/2009 10:17:52 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands ("Failed Obama Administration" (TM))
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3 posted on 06/22/2009 10:19:15 AM PDT by sauropod (People who do things are people that get things done.)
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We should speak clearly and forcefully in favor of free speech and free elections and against this thuggish repression.

The argument the Mullahs will try to smear the opposition based on this is pure crap. They already tag any opposition as pro-American and pro-Jew.

Obama's refusal is speak out is just disgusting.

4 posted on 06/22/2009 10:24:50 AM PDT by colorado tanker ("Lastly, I'd like to apologize for America's disproportionate response to Pearl Harbor . . . ")
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I agree. Bookmarked.

5 posted on 06/22/2009 10:25:34 AM PDT by I Hate Obama (Just remember - if the world didn't suck, we would all fall off.)
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My hunch is Zero does not want to speak out stongly in case it ‘doesn’t work’. He can’t stand any political/personal embarrassment....because, quite frankly, he’s a p****. It’s all about HIM and nothing else.

6 posted on 06/22/2009 10:28:06 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Obama. Clear and Pres__ent Danger.)
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Dietrich Bonhoeffer was sent as a missionary to a Black Church in Brooklyn NY. There he was exposed to a different kind of worship and affection for Jesus than he found in the traditional Churches in Germany.

But he longed to go home even though he understood the spiritual darkness that had swept through his homeland.

Knowing full well of the consequences he headed home and became the spiritual and intellectual conscience of World War II Germany.

Before the war ended, he was sentenced to death in a German prision.

7 posted on 06/22/2009 10:28:21 AM PDT by shineon
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To: shineon
Dietrich Bonhoeffer
8 posted on 06/22/2009 10:31:17 AM PDT by shineon
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“present!” - BHO

9 posted on 06/22/2009 10:33:31 AM PDT by AutumnFire
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when one of your enemies slays another one of your enemies you have a situation where evil is canceling evil; thus to stop the one evil from slaying another evil would be to aid and evil, which of course, would be to have acted complicitly with an evil. Thus, in wishin to avoid complicity with evil in such a situation one finds one’s hands become tied.

10 posted on 06/22/2009 10:34:20 AM PDT by glide625
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To: lqcincinnatus

“If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.”
From the Canadian band, Rush.

11 posted on 06/22/2009 10:37:32 AM PDT by Texas resident (Texan by birth and by choice.)
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Other interesting lyrics in this song..

“Blame is better to give than receive”

“I will choose a path that’s clear”

One of these Obama practices often, the other he does not.

12 posted on 06/22/2009 10:42:15 AM PDT by AutumnFire
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To: lqcincinnatus
From the scripture:

Ezekiel 33

Ezekiel a Watchman
 1 The word of the LORD came to me: 2 "Son of man, speak to your countrymen and say to them: 'When I bring the sword against a land, and the people of the land choose one of their men and make him their watchman, 3 and he sees the sword coming against the land and blows the trumpet to warn the people, 4 then if anyone hears the trumpet but does not take warning and the sword comes and takes his life, his blood will be on his own head. 5 Since he heard the sound of the trumpet but did not take warning, his blood will be on his own head. If he had taken warning, he would have saved himself. 6 But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet to warn the people and the sword comes and takes the life of one of them, that man will be taken away because of his sin, but I will hold the watchman accountable for his blood.'

 7 "Son of man, I have made you a watchman for the house of Israel; so hear the word I speak and give them warning from me. 8 When I say to the wicked, 'O wicked man, you will surely die,' and you do not speak out to dissuade him from his ways, that wicked man will die for his sin, and I will hold you accountable for his blood. 9 But if you do warn the wicked man to turn from his ways and he does not do so, he will die for his sin, but you will have saved yourself.

 10 "Son of man, say to the house of Israel, 'This is what you are saying: "Our offenses and sins weigh us down, and we are wasting away because of them. How then can we live?" ' 11 Say to them, 'As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways! Why will you die, O house of Israel?'

 12 "Therefore, son of man, say to your countrymen, 'The righteousness of the righteous man will not save him when he disobeys, and the wickedness of the wicked man will not cause him to fall when he turns from it. The righteous man, if he sins, will not be allowed to live because of his former righteousness.' 13 If I tell the righteous man that he will surely live, but then he trusts in his righteousness and does evil, none of the righteous things he has done will be remembered; he will die for the evil he has done. 14 And if I say to the wicked man, 'You will surely die,' but he then turns away from his sin and does what is just and right- 15 if he gives back what he took in pledge for a loan, returns what he has stolen, follows the decrees that give life, and does no evil, he will surely live; he will not die. 16 None of the sins he has committed will be remembered against him. He has done what is just and right; he will surely live.

 17 "Yet your countrymen say, 'The way of the Lord is not just.' But it is their way that is not just. 18 If a righteous man turns from his righteousness and does evil, he will die for it. 19 And if a wicked man turns away from his wickedness and does what is just and right, he will live by doing so. 20 Yet, O house of Israel, you say, 'The way of the Lord is not just.' But I will judge each of you according to his own ways."

13 posted on 06/22/2009 10:45:27 AM PDT by LuxMaker (The Constitution is a mere thing of wax in the hands of the judiciary, Thomas J 1819)
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Bonhoeffer was condemned to death on April 8, 1945, by SS judge Otto Thorbeck at a drumhead court-martial without witnesses, records of proceedings or a defence in Flossenbürg concentration camp. [33] He was executed there by hanging at dawn on April 9, 1945, just three weeks before the Soviet capture of Berlin and a month before the capitulation of Nazi Germany. Like other executions associated with the July 20 Plot, the execution was brutal. Bonhoeffer was stripped of his clothing and led naked into the execution yard, where he was hanged with thin wire for strangulation.

The camp doctor who witnessed the execution wrote: “I saw Pastor Bonhoeffer ... kneeling on the floor praying fervently to God. I was most deeply moved by the way this lovable man prayed, so devout and so certain that God heard his prayer. At the place of execution, he again said a short prayer and then climbed the few steps to the gallows, brave and composed. His death ensued after a few seconds. In the almost fifty years that I worked as a doctor, I have hardly ever seen a man die so entirely submissive to the will of God.”

14 posted on 06/22/2009 10:49:48 AM PDT by lqcincinnatus (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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Silence while your enemies
hack each other to death is golden.

Click it.

15 posted on 06/22/2009 10:51:43 AM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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I agree with Bonhoeffer!

16 posted on 06/22/2009 11:04:17 AM PDT by Guenevere
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From Wikipedia: Bonhoeffer delivered a radio address attacking Hitler, in which he warned Germany against slipping into an idolatrous cult of the Führer (leader), who could very well turn out to be Verführer (mis-leader, or seducer).

Our idol of today: Obama.

Our media, our politicians, our press, our leaders (religious and otherwise) - all bow down and worship at the cult of Obama, a man without even a birth certificate.

Who is our Bonhoeffer of today? Who will speak out against the cult of the idol? Who will risk the wrath of the Obama administration as it slashes it way through corporate America?

17 posted on 06/22/2009 11:10:58 AM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (We're living in the Dark Ages.)
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Okay I have done such a thorough job of ignoring BHO that I missed this statement of his in April 2009:

"Human rights is an ideal, not a priority".

Did he really say that?

But then when we have a duplicitous, corrupt media doing his bidding, it's not surprising this statement hasn't been publicized.

This statement really is unexplainable to me.

18 posted on 06/22/2009 11:43:00 AM PDT by LimaLimaMikeFoxtrot ("If you don't have my army supplied, and keep it supplied, we'll eat your mules up, sir"-Gen.Sherman)
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I believe silence only speaks to those that hear what they want to hear.

19 posted on 06/22/2009 11:45:06 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: lqcincinnatus; All
My favorite along those lines:

Throughout history it has been the inaction of those who could have acted,
the indifference of those who should have known better, the silence of the
voice of justice when it mattered most, that has made it possible for evil to

~ Haile Selassie, Emperor of Ethiopia, 4 Oct 63

20 posted on 06/22/2009 1:00:29 PM PDT by SloopJohnB (Smith & Wesson - The ultimate "Point-and-Click" Interface...)
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.—That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, —That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. - Guess we forgot.

21 posted on 06/22/2009 2:18:05 PM PDT by lqcincinnatus (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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George Nolen, President and Chief Executive Officer
Siemens Corporation, USA
Citicorp Center
153 East 53rd Street
New York, NY 10022-4611

Dear Mr. Nolen,

First, let me state that I have no philosophic objection to foreign trade, free trade, the importation of foreign products or the use of services provided by a foreign entity.

For the sake expediency, I will not parse the ‘pillars of integrity’ language on the Siemens website, but will note simply that the summary statement appears to be quoted as “Integrity is at the heart of all our actions.”

As an aside, I have very recently noted an abundance of radio advertising for Siemens ‘green’ Lighting Division here in the United States. However, I wasn’t aware the Siemens was in the energy sector.

In recent days, I have followed the news of Iranian protests. It is abundantly clear that personal cell phones and other mobile devices are playing a significant role. It appears obvious that there would be many more human rights violations by the militia, police, army and regime –if these groups did not fear that images of abuse would be quickly transmitted around the world.

Please reference the attached article which appeared in the Washington Times on April 13, 2009, titled: “Fed contractor, cell phone maker sold spy system to Iran”.

If the proportions of the attached article are correct, the Siemens Corporation (Germany), in cooperation with the Nokia Corporation (Finland), has furnished the infrastructure that will be utilized by the regime to seek out, prosecute and imprison -possibly torture and kill the young people of Iran.

It is noted that the German government had raised concerns, at the time there were ongoing sanctions against the Iranian Republic.

Is Siemens currently providing technical support? Does Siemens intend to provide technical support in the future?

Just how does Siemens see it’s future prospects in the United States market or the free world?

Please explain how Siemens could offer a technology that is potentially so dangerous to the Iranian Regime via Iran-Telecom?

To those copied, this letter is furnished without restriction on use of content and transmittal. Use it as you will.



22 posted on 06/22/2009 5:29:12 PM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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My thoughts? Obama is evil according to his fine logic... but I already knew that.

23 posted on 06/22/2009 5:31:08 PM PDT by Enoughofthissocialism (Vice is its own punishment and virtue is its own reward.)
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Hero of mine.

He went back to Germany, to share the fate of those he loved.

We may be called to do the same.

24 posted on 06/22/2009 5:40:00 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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He was hanged by Hitler’s regime 3 weeks before Hitler shot himself. Hitler was trying to avenge himself in a final burst of bloodletting.

25 posted on 02/29/2012 2:51:16 PM PST by michigancatholic (HHS Mandate - Why and Why the Timing?)
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26 posted on 03/03/2012 5:47:47 PM PST by shineon
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