Skip to comments.Beware the Christians! (Comparing Christian right with brutal ayatollahs is childish nonsense)
Posted on 06/25/2009 11:09:22 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
As we watch the horrors in Iran, it makes us wonder if anything like that could happen in America. In Iran, the mullahs control everything and feel justified in any injustice they commit because of a belief in the rightness of their own actions. Is there anyone like that here?
In an answer to that question, Frank Schaeffer wrote a column for the Huffington Post entitled The Real Lesson of Iran Beware Americas Republican Mullahs. Reading it and the comments to it, I came to a realization: people who think the religious right are just like Iranian mullahs are just like Iranian mullahs.
The article is pretty creepy. Schaeffer makes reference to neocons by the second sentence, which already raises flags, as it seems its getting hard these days for anyone to use that word and not be a crank. And the whole premise is quite disturbing. The author has seen all the horrors of people being brutalized and murdered over just wanting their voices heard, and he comes to the conclusion that his completely unrelated political opponents Republicans are very bad.
It takes a certain kind of sociopath to witness great tragedy and then turn back to his narrow political talking points completely unaffected. Its pretty much the same as seeing someone brutally murdered in the street and saying, This is why we need to change subsidies on corn farming.
Given the obvious mental imbalance of the author, its no wonder the whole article is basically fevered ranting about how Christians want to round up and imprison and execute anyone who doesnt believe in Jesus and use the government to crush dissent all the usual paranoid stuff youd expect from someone who decides to demonize some group he doesnt like. He, of course, hits todays favorite target, Sarah Palin, who, despite her rather libertarian record, hes convinced wants to unleash death squads that kill non-believers, since she was spotted going to church once.
Then theres his disjointed logic in claiming that Christians are too pro-Israel and also like to deny the Holocaust. And he tries to link von Brunn an anti-Chrisitian, anti-Bush extremist with the religious right. In his simplistic mind, Republicans are bad, and therefore anything else that is bad must be related to Republicans. Or to the Christian right. Or to right-wing people regardless of whether they are Republican or Christian. Its kinda hard to figure out exactly who hes ranting against except that everyone who has a different view than him is very very bad an attitude shared by Iranian mullahs.
I wasnt going to worry myself with a lone crank, as I figure hes just someone who somehow snuck by HuffPos usually studious editors, but then I read the comments to the article. There were people actually agreeing with this. People who somehow have the intelligence and motor skills to use a computer and write semi-coherent English sentences. They all seemed convinced that Christians were waiting outside their rooms to strangle them with rosaries, and the only thing protecting the country was their vigilance.
The fact that someone is a Republican and differs with their view on tax policies means to them that that person is evil and probably eats babies. They believe that the religious are responsible for all the problems in the world and that everything would be perfect if they could just get rid of them much like Iranian mullahs think everything would be perfect if they could make the whole world Islamic. They had many misconceptions about Republicans that only come from being isolated from them much like mullahs isolate themselves from the West. And there wasnt any thoughtful contemplation of whether they could possibly be wrong about any of this much like the certainty mullahs get by claiming inspiration from God.
With this unquestioned certainty that people with different views than theirs are extremely evil and dangerous, what do you think theyd do to Christians and conservatives if they ever got into power? They were already plotting in the comments on how to eliminate and marginalize millions of Americans, and how do you think that would go? Id say look to Iran and the violence and execution and oppression of anyone who dares go against them and then youll see exactly what wed have if these people who think the religious right are just like Iranian mullahs ever seized control of the country.
So do we need to work to stop these people?
I mean, yeah, theyd make Nazis blush with their actions if they ever seized power and struck out against those they hate, but how in the multi-verse could that ever conceivably happen? Theyre nitwits who like to think theyre saving the world by being rude to Christians so as not to come to face with how utterly useless they all are. I cant even imagine a scenario where they could seize power even if I include sci-fi elements like alien technology and time travel. I mean, it would be horrible if three-year-olds controlled all our nuclear weapons one tantrum and millions would die but that doesnt mean we go around fearing three-year-olds, because why in the world would we ever put them in charge of nuclear weapons? The closest any of these paranoid losers have come to power is Obama, and how is he going to round up right-wing Christians if he already cant even get the Democrats to line up behind him?
So why point these people out if we dont need to do anything about them? So we can laugh at them, as laughter is fun. Then if you see someone hanging out at Whole Foods ranting about Christians and neocons, pat him on the back and tell him how he gives you good cheer. Hell feel good about himself for finally doing something useful in his life.
It’s not just ‘nonsense,’ it’s patently offensive.
He has a point laugh at these sociopaths, but first make them try and explain in detail what they want, this drives them mad, then laugh.
“It takes a certain kind of sociopath to witness great tragedy and then turn back to his narrow political talking points completely unaffected.” Superb writing.
Frank Schaeffer was a conservative herald back in the 1980’s. His father was a pillar of common sense.
It would be tragic if he has lost his way that badly.
Left code words, Neo-cons = JEWS.
I work with a SF Lib that's obsessed with the Palestinians. Any political argument always ends up at the Palestinian doorstep. We had a "discussion" the other day that invariably ended up with the Palestinians. I reminded him that he lives on what used to be Paiute Indian land until whitey took it--was he going to give it back? Funny, but I seriously thought his head was going to explode.
Yep. THE Frank.
>Comparing Christian right with brutal ayatollahs is childish nonsense.<
No it is not, it is an insideous commentary.
If the Christian right and the brutal ayatollahs are the same, then why does the left fight the Christian right with everything they’ve got, but appease the ayatollahs and defer to them?
Limbaugh might take this up for an occasional day of entertainment, making liberals explain themselves in detail.
This is going round and round the boards,that libs are protsting and conservatives are killing them and also thise “beware the religious right”.
To shut them up and “own” them you simply bang back “whose standards are you using to label the “sides” in iran ? koran or the Constitution of the United States ? and exactly like them,demand a reply NOW.
Same for their scatology about the religious right/conservatives here in the USA .Simply ask them about the first amendment,and again—demand an answer.
In our decadent society, the easiest way for a conservative sub-mediocrity to earn praise and adulation from the “beautiful people” is to turn liberal, especially on social issues. So never let it be said that Franky doesn't follow the path of least resistance.
Campion’s Law!: “As a FR discussion lengthens, the probability of a libertarian or atheist FReeper comparing a Christian FReeper to al Qaeda or a Talibanic theocrat approaches one. Any FReeper who compares their opponent to al Queda or declares their oppenent an advocate of a “theocracy” has automatically lost that point of debate.”
The left, historically, and even in some of their more honest moments today, have a desire to kill their ideological opponents.
They’re just looking for justification for their bloodlust.
Beware, though, when they feel they no longer need justification.
Yeah, THE Frank Schaeffer, the one who thinks he created the Moral Majority and is now flagellating himself in remorse.
Sounds like he'd fit in just fine with some of the Orthodox on FR who also see "western" chr*stian Republican "ayatollahs" everywhere.
Post of the day!
The only time the muzzie extremists are ever condemned is by extension when they are used to hammer American chr*stians!
In fairness I must admit that I advocate Theocracy. Of course, I am neither chr*stian nor moslem, so no one pays any attention.
you know...a few here even do this
Afraid it's so
So Campion - do I read this right? You've modelled this directly on my Irving's Law, without paying me royalties?
Irving's Law: once a comparison is made between [Pharisees/anti-Semitism/Jack Chick tracts] and someone's theology, the discussion is immediately finished - and whoever makes the comparison automatically "loses" whatever debate was in progress, forfeiting all points previously scored. (May 2007)
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