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Björn from ABBA: There's probably no God
www.thelocal.se ^ | 06/27/2009 | www.thelocal.se

Posted on 06/26/2009 7:49:40 PM PDT by WesternCulture

"Freedom from indoctrination ought to be a basic human right for all children," argues ABBA star Björn Ulvaeus in a passionate plea for Sweden to rethink its policy on faith-based schools.

Without thinking too much about it at the time, when I wrote the lyrics for ABBA's songs the message I wished to convey tallies well with campaigns launched recently by humanist organisations in the UK, US and Australia:

"There's probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life."

Earlier this month the Swedish Humanist Association (Humanisterna) launched a similar campaign. And in light of the growing influence of religious schools in Sweden, the campaign could hardly be more timely.

Unfortunately the European Convention on Human Rights doesn't permit the banning of independent religious schools. Under current Swedish law, independent schools may adopt a "confessional direction" as long as they stick to the official national curriculum and adhere to the education system's "general goals and values".

A lot of independently managed schools (friskolor) negotiate this balancing act well, but there are also a lot of schools that don't.

If it wished, Sweden could choose to refrain from using tax money to fund these independent schools. There is nothing in the European Convention on Human Rights that prevents such a course of action. But Sweden has chosen to go the other way.

So do the legal guidelines outlined above ensure that pupils at religious schools are educated in an environment that does not favour any one ideology or religion above all others? No, of course they don't.

And are not curious, questioning citizens one of society's most valuable assets? "Of course they are", is the ringing response you will receive from the majority of Swedes, of this I am convinced. And these are the sort of citizens we want our children to become.

In a recent debate with principals from two religious schools I was accused of being driven by emotions masquerading as reason. But if we hypothesise for a moment that they are right, then surely the same is true of them. And if that's the case, who should we listen to?

It is precisely to avoid such conflicts that schools should provide a safe haven from all ideologies, with the obvious codicil that children should learn as much about as many of them as possible from an objective point of view.

It's hardly controversial to opine that people in favour of religious schools are themselves believers. Religion has a natural place in their homes and their children grow up with it.

And that's fine. But does this not make it all the more important for schools to be free of religious influence? Children need to be able to meet and get to know their peers on neutral ground. Religions by their nature always run the risk of creating an "us against them" scenario. However tolerant we believe ourselves to be, there is always a reason people consider their own religion superior to all others.

One of the school system's most important functions is to create a feeling of community, where all are treated on equal terms regardless of race, class or creed. Society's way of treating children with the respect they deserve is to combat by all available means any sense of an "us against them" divide.

In my debate with the school principals, they said that societies which had not encompassed different ideologies and beliefs had never been successful. And they're absolutely right, which is why we have a secular and democratic system of government.

It is important to guarantee people the right to believe whatever they wish. But people should be free to choose their own ideology or belief system when they have become old enough to think for themselves.

Nobody should have to form an opinion on matters of such weight before they are ready to size up the arguments. Above all, children should be kept away from anything that bears even the slightest whiff of indoctrination. In fact, freedom from indoctrination ought to be a basic human right for all children.

A religious education makes it more difficult for children to form their own views on the world. It puts obstacles in their way that not all are capable of overcoming.

The headmasters also put it to me that there were plenty of famous free-thinking, prominent figures who had gone to Christian schools. But really this just annihilates their own argument. These people learned to be free thinkers despite, not because of, their Christian schooling.

One of them is particularly topical this year, 150 years after the publication of 'On the Origin of Species'. Charles Darwin may have gone to a very Christian school but it didn't prevent him from coming up with the "best idea in the world". Nor did it prevent him from abandoning his faith. Because, faced with the facts at his disposal, Darwin reached the same conclusion as the Swedish Humanist Association: There's probably no God.

- Björn Ulvaeus is best known as one of the four members of Swedish pop sensation ABBA and co-producer of the smash hit musical and movie, Mamma Mia! He is also a member of the Swedish Humanist Association -


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: abba; atheism; faithandphilosophy; religion; sweden
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1 posted on 06/26/2009 7:49:40 PM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: WesternCulture

We’ve outsold Elvis and Wacko Jacko, but yet the Beatles are ahead of us.

There probably is no god.


2 posted on 06/26/2009 7:50:46 PM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: WesternCulture

Hell. Handbasket. Suicide rate. And since when does any successful society take it religious cues from aging rock stars?


3 posted on 06/26/2009 7:50:58 PM PDT by La Lydia (.)
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To: WesternCulture

How about freedom from indoctrination in marxism?


4 posted on 06/26/2009 7:52:23 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: WesternCulture
And in light of the growing influence of religious schools in Sweden

Hahahahaha! I think what they are talking about is the growing influence of Muslim schools.

Hate to break it to ya, Bjorn, but teaming up with (and not throwing under the bus) Christian people is going to be more helpful to you than trying to convince Muslims that atheists are just "right."

5 posted on 06/26/2009 7:52:57 PM PDT by krb (Obama is a miserable failure.)
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To: WesternCulture

He probably said it in English but still doesn’t speak a word, right?


6 posted on 06/26/2009 7:53:35 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: WesternCulture
Above all, children should be kept away from anything that bears even the slightest whiff of indoctrination.

... says a guy who actually suggest an indoctrination.
7 posted on 06/26/2009 7:54:00 PM PDT by alecqss
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To: WesternCulture
"There's probably no God..."

BUT! What if there is? Kinda like thinking the mugger's gun "probably" isn't real.

8 posted on 06/26/2009 7:55:20 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Hey America! How's that "hope and change" thing working out? Are you scared yet?)
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To: WesternCulture

He’ll meet his “Waterloo” someday.


9 posted on 06/26/2009 7:56:53 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: WesternCulture
[ There probably is no god. ]

Is God,God?.. or some other kind of being/being(s)/entity?..
A being inconceivable to human logic?.. (called God)..

10 posted on 06/26/2009 7:57:26 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: WesternCulture

Nietzsche: God is Dead.
God: Nietzsche is Dead.


11 posted on 06/26/2009 7:57:26 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: WesternCulture

I guess this means there’s no need for me to feel guilty about robbing banks, chasing married women, selling crack, etc.


12 posted on 06/26/2009 7:57:40 PM PDT by squidly
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To: WesternCulture
"There's probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life."

Like Micheal Jackson!!!

13 posted on 06/26/2009 7:57:48 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: WesternCulture

My soon to be 92 year old Mother, who is 100% Swedish stock, would love to kick his ass. And she’s never even heard of him....

;-)


14 posted on 06/26/2009 7:58:36 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Prepare. It's Coming.)
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To: buccaneer81

lol! you might have to explain that one to some of the younger FReepers tho.


15 posted on 06/26/2009 7:58:42 PM PDT by bobby.223
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To: WesternCulture
ABBA: There's probably no God

After listening to their "music", I'd have to agree..

Hell is having to listen to ABBA.

16 posted on 06/26/2009 7:59:42 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (Obama promised a gold mine, but he will give us the shaft.)
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To: WesternCulture
And that's fine. But does this not make it all the more important for schools to be free of religious influence?
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There are only two possible educational worldviews available: God-centered or godless.

A school **must** choose between the two! Both are based on religious faith since the existence or non-existence of a God(s) can never be proven.

Both worldview have religious, cultural, and political consequences that are never neutral.

At the moment our government schools in the U.S. are by law godless. Our government schools never were, are not now, and never will be religiously neutral.

17 posted on 06/26/2009 8:02:14 PM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: WesternCulture

Hey Banjohorn, tell it to the Muslims in Malmo.


18 posted on 06/26/2009 8:02:27 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (Spay or Neuter your liberal today!)
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To: krb

Hahahahaha! I think what they are talking about is the growing influence of Muslim schools.
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This needs to be resolved with immigration policy. It is not an educational problem, and using schools is like fighting a forest fire with a water pistol.


19 posted on 06/26/2009 8:03:59 PM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: bobby.223

My wife dragged me to see “Mamma Mia” ,, she generally dislikes movies but thoroughly enjoys Abba ... Did you know that both Pierce Brosnan and Meryl Streep can sing?


20 posted on 06/26/2009 8:04:05 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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