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Retired From G.M. at 54. Pensionless at 74?
New York Times ^ | June 30, 2009 | Mary Williams Walsh

Posted on 07/01/2009 6:12:21 AM PDT by reaganaut1

General Motors is using its huge pension fund in a way it never intended.

It had planned — and put money aside — for a steady march of retirees over time. But instead, tens of thousands of blue-collar workers, most in their 40s and 50s, are all becoming eligible for retirement benefits now, as the company rapidly downsizes.

And even as its pension fund faces this giant bulge in payouts, G.M. is not putting any new money in — the company is not required to make any contributions to the fund until 2013.

The longer this goes on, the weaker the fund will be and the more uncertain its long-term viability.

For now, the pension payments to its younger “retirees,” part of a deal G.M. negotiated with the United Automobile Workers union in 2007, allow the company to drastically shrink its work force without having to come up with the cash to pay severance. The payments also relieve some of the burden on social service programs in the countless factory towns and counties around the country with large numbers of G.M.’s newly jobless.

“G.M. basically raided the pension plan, by having a lot of these severance benefits paid through it,” said Douglas J. Elliott, a fellow with the Brookings Institution who specializes in financial institutions and policy.

What G.M. has done is perfectly legal. Nor is this the first time an employer has used a pension fund to pay for pruning its ranks. Well-subsidized early retirements are a time-honored practice in the public sector, where teachers often retire after 30 years and police officers can sometimes claim rich pensions after working as few as 20 years.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: automakers; brookingsinstitution; douglaselliott; douglasjelliott; generalmotors; gm; pensionfunds; pensions; retirement
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1 posted on 07/01/2009 6:12:21 AM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1

What were these idiots doing in the intervening twenty years????


2 posted on 07/01/2009 6:14:01 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

If it seems to good to be true, it probably is. Where is the UAW now?


3 posted on 07/01/2009 6:16:29 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: reaganaut1

I smell another bailout coming.....


4 posted on 07/01/2009 6:17:03 AM PDT by St. Louis Conservative
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To: Spktyr

I’m sure that there is stimulus money in Washington, they’ll keep giving it out, there is no end to their VAST supply. Never fear, Obama is here...my poor child. We have nothing to fear but fear itself. These are just WORDS>


5 posted on 07/01/2009 6:18:04 AM PDT by rovenstinez
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To: AppyPappy

Where is the UAW now?

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Pleasuring the driver at the WH.


6 posted on 07/01/2009 6:19:52 AM PDT by eleni121 (The New Byzantium - resurrect it!)
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To: reaganaut1

Don’t worry, the government will bail them all out.

The government will bail out everyone except for the taxpayer.


7 posted on 07/01/2009 6:20:35 AM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (Uh, Mr. President, did you lose your contact lense OR ARE YOU PRAYING?)
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To: reaganaut1

I say give Bernie Madoff a chance to redeem himself by running the GM pension fund. He’ll be much more creative than obama’s czars trying to keep a ponzi afloat with taxpayer money


8 posted on 07/01/2009 6:21:23 AM PDT by silverleaf ("Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal ( Martin Luther King))
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To: reaganaut1
Obama will just give them more taxpayer money.

Any idiot could figure that out.

9 posted on 07/01/2009 6:22:04 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: Spktyr
What were these idiots doing in the intervening twenty years???? From my limited observation, NOT starting second careers. The pensions were high enough to encourage most of them just to take it easy. Did not have to worry about sending kids through college, because they did not believe in doing that. Kids went from high school into the factories, expecting the same deal their father's got. Sort of like the kid who inherited his father's car dealership.
10 posted on 07/01/2009 6:22:07 AM PDT by RobbyS (ECCE homo)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

I don’t know. 74 years of age is a little to old for Obama to allow them to live. After the pension dries out, they will just have to go in a corner a die, and get out of the way, quit being a drain on society.


11 posted on 07/01/2009 6:22:17 AM PDT by uptoolate (Primaries mean something - Conservative means Conservative)
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To: reaganaut1

“And even as its pension fund faces this giant bulge in payouts, G.M. is not putting any new money in — the company is not required to make any contributions to the fund until 2013.”

So what? We have a government who is doling out money for Social Security by borrowing it.

Let the union sympathizers get in the same shape the rest of the country is: suck it up!


12 posted on 07/01/2009 6:22:55 AM PDT by bestintxas
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To: reaganaut1

Union workers screwing each other rather than a company or the taxpayers? Cry me a river... /s


13 posted on 07/01/2009 6:23:18 AM PDT by GOPJ (Duke University official offers to SELL a black five year old for rape parties & the MSM looks away?)
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To: reaganaut1

....no where in the article do they mention Obama’s meddling in GM’s affairs....that’s the NY Times for you.


14 posted on 07/01/2009 6:23:28 AM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: RobbyS

“The pensions were high enough to encourage most of them just to take it easy.”

I agree. I’ve read about some complaining that they are having a tougher time making ends meet on the second home upstate they own.

Reminder: These are blue collar workers just assembling parts. Not to disparage them, but why should what they vault them into the upper tier of workers?


15 posted on 07/01/2009 6:25:00 AM PDT by bestintxas
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To: reaganaut1

Wow. People expect to be paid for not working for 30 years or more. Is there no end to the increasing numbers of looters in society? When did retirement grow into something that people expect to spend half of their adult years receiving? How can any society afford it?

Answer: It can’t.


16 posted on 07/01/2009 6:26:52 AM PDT by Seruzawa (Obamalama lied, the republic died.)
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To: RobbyS

My Dad retired from his first job at 62 and worked his second job for another 4 years.

My father in law worked in constructive until he was 60.

I have a hard time drumming up sympathy for a 54 year old retiree.


17 posted on 07/01/2009 6:27:50 AM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: reaganaut1

The ‘70’s should have been the writing on the wall for the “big 3” auto workers and their offspring. If they don’t get bailed out, which unfortunately I think they will, then they should start looking for real work. I don’t care what happens to them.


18 posted on 07/01/2009 6:28:03 AM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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To: uptoolate
Obama will just say they have Social Security so they don't need a pension. For those of us with military retirements, watch out for doubling dipping provisions coming along that will disallow military retirement and social security payments. Could happen to people with 401k and/or IRAs too.
19 posted on 07/01/2009 6:28:41 AM PDT by dblshot
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To: reaganaut1

Ah, unions, liberals, and politicians. All math illiterate.

All greedy.

And none capable of creating anything.

What a country!


20 posted on 07/01/2009 6:28:56 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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