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Here's my point. Your only refernece about the GOP winning with real conservatives is Reagan - you have no other example. What happend with Goldwater? Or was he not a "real conservative" either? I remember Reagan running to the center during the election NOT to the right. I'm not rationalizing. I'm not making up lies. You didn't even address the other things I wrote, you just jumped on abortion and rationalized the bill Reagan signed as Governor. I probably would have signed it too. My point in bringing it up is to make folks like you realize the guy was human too.

Further Reagan had to make compromises with a Democrat Congress and he did. I don't care about "establishment pubbies" and who you decide to label as such or who you yell bullcrap at. Get a grip. Are you worried I might vote for Romney against a "real conservative"? Get your real conservative in the game before you worry about that and alienate lots of people who probably would support your candidate. Right now, I don't see a real conservative. Maybe it's Palin, maybe it's not. There's a few years before we know who's in the game anyway.

Your only refernece about the GOP winning with real conservatives is Reagan - you have no other example.

I gave the example of Bush the younger being more conservative than Bush the elder, and W won two elections on his own accord, whereas HW only won running on Reagan's coattails. Goldwater? The country wasn't ready yet. However, the country is still 40 percent self-identified as conservative, and there are plenty of blue-collar Dems who will cross over for the right candidate.

So go ahead with your next lie. It's what the RINO apologists do best. Other than losing presidential elections.

You’ll know you’ve won the argument when the flying monkeys trot out their, “Well, tell that to owner of this site!” come-back. Then they ping Jim. Wait for it. It’s priceless.