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U.S. troops told to stop Taliban pursuit if civilians are at risk
Miami Herald/AP ^ | 7-2-09 | Nancy Youssef

Posted on 07/02/2009 11:07:35 AM PDT by STARWISE

Beginning Thursday, American soldiers in Afghanistan will be under orders to back down when they're chasing Taliban fighters whenever they think that civilians might be at risk.

Army Gen. Stanley McChrystal, the top commander in Afghanistan, will issue the directive as part of an effort to cut down on civilian casualties, which have enraged the Afghan government and residents. Instead of calling in air support or firing into civilian homes where Taliban fighters have sought refuge, commanders will be instructed to reach out to tribal elders or undertake other efforts to dislodge the fighters.

The order is consistent with what national security adviser James L. Jones told McClatchy Newspapers in Washington Wednesday was President Barack Obama's concern about civilian casualties in Afghanistan.

"General McChrystal has been given instructions when he left here that, in all military operations, that we redouble our efforts to make sure that innocent loss of life is minimized, with zero being the goal," Jones said, noting that, "In one mishap you can create thousands more terrorists than you had before the mishap."

(Excerpt) Read more at miamiherald.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; bhogwot; civilians; insaneroe; jimjones; marines; mcchrystal; obamaswar; taliban; twistedcic; wot
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"President Barack Obama's concern about civilian casualties in Afghanistan."

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Taliban hides behind skirts and children. God help and protect our troops.

1 posted on 07/02/2009 11:07:36 AM PDT by STARWISE
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To: penelopesire; seekthetruth; television is just wrong; jcsjcm; BP2; Pablo Mac; April Lexington; ...

~~PING!


2 posted on 07/02/2009 11:09:19 AM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: STARWISE

Is this an intercepted communication from LBJ to Westmoreland?


3 posted on 07/02/2009 11:10:46 AM PDT by americanophile (Sarcasm: satirical wit depending for its effect on bitter, caustic, and often ironic language.)
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To: STARWISE
Instead of calling in air support or firing into civilian homes where Taliban fighters have sought refuge, commanders will be instructed to reach out to tribal elders or undertake other efforts to dislodge the fighters.

Uh... okay.

4 posted on 07/02/2009 11:11:02 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (The University of Notre Dame's motto: "Kill our unborn children? YES WE CAN!")
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To: STARWISE

I would rather hear that Obama was concerned about American troop casualties...

However, I am sure our smart Generals will formulate an effective war plan that gets the job done even with these ROI.


5 posted on 07/02/2009 11:12:18 AM PDT by pappyone (New to Freep, still working a tag line.)
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To: All

And at point do the lawyers get inserted?


6 posted on 07/02/2009 11:12:18 AM PDT by elpinta
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To: STARWISE

Hadcuffing the troops is no way to win a war. We should have learned this in Vietnam.


7 posted on 07/02/2009 11:12:24 AM PDT by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (Whoever coined the term "foolproof" underestimated the ingenuity and determination of fools.)
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To: STARWISE
Taliban hides behind skirts and children.

They can check with the Palestinians if they want expert advise.

8 posted on 07/02/2009 11:12:40 AM PDT by tbpiper (How would you define a 'domestic enemy of the constitution'?)
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To: STARWISE

In other news, Barack Obama has ordered the military wear new BDU’s with large red and white concentric circles on the chest and the back...


9 posted on 07/02/2009 11:13:49 AM PDT by Boonie
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To: STARWISE

You cannot run a war like a police action...
Idiots.


10 posted on 07/02/2009 11:13:56 AM PDT by BlueNgold (... Feed the tree!)
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To: STARWISE

Oh dear God..this is insanity! It’s bad enough that the order was given..but to broadcast it in ADVANCE..just as we are sending our soldiers into the field?

TREASONOUS!!


11 posted on 07/02/2009 11:14:05 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: STARWISE

And to be fair, let the Taliban take at least one shot at you before you fire back.


12 posted on 07/02/2009 11:14:15 AM PDT by VicVega (Join Jihad, get captured by the US and resettled in the best places in the world. I love the USA)
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To: STARWISE
Will not work. We now have lost the war. Thanks to King Obama and his corrupt stupid Administration.
13 posted on 07/02/2009 11:14:38 AM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: STARWISE
What a brilliant military tactic! Victory is at hand!

Of course, our guys are accused of killing women and children regardless, but never mind.

14 posted on 07/02/2009 11:14:45 AM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: SunkenCiv; nutmeg; AliVeritas; jveritas; kitkat; Kitty Mittens; Brad's Gramma; Fiddlstix; Pegita; ..

~~Pray for our troops ..........


15 posted on 07/02/2009 11:15:04 AM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: STARWISE
undertake other efforts to dislodge the fighters

"Here, tali, tali, tali, tali" "C'mere, tali, tali, tali, tali"

Wonder if Obama's personal Security force will show the same restraint when they come after us?

16 posted on 07/02/2009 11:16:27 AM PDT by 1forall (America - my home, my land, my country.)
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To: penelopesire

It is! This is a purposeful plan to lose our
advantage and appease the Muslims, injure and
eliminate our dear troops from the battlefield
in the process, and setting the stage for more
devastating attacks here.

God .. help us, save us, protect our heroes.


17 posted on 07/02/2009 11:19:17 AM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: STARWISE
Taliban referees will be dressed in white pants and black and white striped shirts, they will throw a yellow flag in the air, and blow a whistle if any rules of engagement are broken.
18 posted on 07/02/2009 11:19:27 AM PDT by gitmogrunt (The stupidity of the American Liberal never ceases to amaze me.)
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To: STARWISE

BTTT


19 posted on 07/02/2009 11:19:41 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: 1forall

“Wonder if Obama’s personal Security force will show the same restraint when they come after us?”

I used to say the same things, then I realized, I have a different set of values, morals, and rules than they do. The socialist/facist has no qualms about lying/cheating/killing in the forward of progressivism.

So, now I am trying to change the way I think about the approaching battles. I cannot win if I do not fight the way they do.


20 posted on 07/02/2009 11:22:06 AM PDT by wxgesr (I want to be the first person to surf on another planet!)
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To: STARWISE

And how are US personnel going to tell the difference?


21 posted on 07/02/2009 11:24:42 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Fili et Spiritus Sancti.)
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To: combat_boots

Under Obama rule, since the Taliban and al Queada don’t wear uniforms, they are civilians as long as they aren’t pointing their AK-47 AT you....


22 posted on 07/02/2009 11:26:26 AM PDT by Boonie
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To: STARWISE

This is the end of it.


23 posted on 07/02/2009 11:26:28 AM PDT by Bahbah
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To: wxgesr

“I cannot win if I do not fight the way they do.”

Winning is all about will.

But, but, “zero is the goal,” as the article stated.


24 posted on 07/02/2009 11:26:49 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Fili et Spiritus Sancti.)
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To: STARWISE

“injure and eliminate our dear troops from the battlefield in the process”

Send those White boys up to Tora Bora and those well-connected, well-armored caves and let them be cut to pieces. Send lots of ‘em. I can just see that private conversation, 1 on 1, being held somewhere a while back. It makes my blood run to ice.


25 posted on 07/02/2009 11:30:29 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Fili et Spiritus Sancti.)
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To: Bahbah
Obama’s Eqypt speech...

“Make no mistake: we do not want to keep our troops in Afghanistan.”

26 posted on 07/02/2009 11:31:16 AM PDT by Gabrial (Obama Lied - The Republic Died)
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To: STARWISE

Say after me: Viet Nam


27 posted on 07/02/2009 11:31:44 AM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: STARWISE

islamism advances


28 posted on 07/02/2009 11:32:11 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: STARWISE

I’m sure glad we didn’t do this during WWII. I feel for the civilians but the country is at war.


29 posted on 07/02/2009 11:32:41 AM PDT by RC2
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To: STARWISE
May as well pack up our gear and bring our brave soldiers home- they cannot perform their job under such conditions. The stated goal of ZERO civilian casualties is untenable by the very definition of war.

Thanks, Zero, for emasculating our troops.

30 posted on 07/02/2009 11:34:01 AM PDT by Kolb ("Man is not free unless government is limited." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Bahbah

Saint Michael the Archangel,
defend us in battle.
Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil.
May God rebuke him, we humbly pray;
and do Thou, O Prince of the Heavenly Host -
by the Divine Power of God -
cast into hell, satan and all the evil spirits, who roam throughout the world seeking the ruin of souls. Amen.

31 posted on 07/02/2009 11:45:22 AM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: STARWISE

a friend’s son is there. We pray daily for him. He is serving with other good men under the rule of FOOLS.


32 posted on 07/02/2009 11:48:10 AM PDT by Chickensoup ("Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.")
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To: Lion Den Dan

“Say after me: Viet Nam”

or Mogadishu.

God bless and protect our troops!


33 posted on 07/02/2009 11:49:06 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: STARWISE

this is the most depressing story yet out of this Administration .. and there is just so much competition.


34 posted on 07/02/2009 11:51:09 AM PDT by EDINVA (A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul -- G. B. Shaw)
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To: STARWISE

That brings tears to my eyes.


35 posted on 07/02/2009 11:57:12 AM PDT by Bahbah
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To: Bahbah

I’ve been teary since I read this news.
How could they ?


36 posted on 07/02/2009 11:58:34 AM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: Bahbah; SE Mom; Allegra; All

“The order is consistent with what national security adviser James L. Jones told McClatchy Newspapers in Washington Wednesday was President Barack Obama’s concern


37 posted on 07/02/2009 12:02:00 PM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: STARWISE

Barack Obama is a backstabbing bass turd.


38 posted on 07/02/2009 12:02:29 PM PDT by windsorknot
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To: STARWISE

Our BHO rules of engagement: Mirandize, surrender, and ask the UN to hold our rifles. Frankly, the military is smart enough not to injure civies if they can help it. After all, the Left would put them on trial. The rats!


39 posted on 07/02/2009 12:15:09 PM PDT by phillyfanatic ( iT)
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To: 2LT Radix jr; 80 Square Miles; acad1228; AirForceMom; AliVeritas; aomagrat; ariamne; ...

Videos from Afghanistan fighting .. it’s 110 degrees. Prayers..

http://www.dvidshub.net/?script=video/video_show.php&id=63413

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http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=14273758&ch=4226714&src=news

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http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=14273758&ch=4226714&src=news

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From Russia about the Afghan operation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJ-azlWunQQ

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From Al Jezeera, with statements from Gen. McChrystal and Sec. Gates

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9TK5ruJbdQ


40 posted on 07/02/2009 12:19:51 PM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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41 posted on 07/02/2009 12:32:58 PM PDT by potlatch ( Those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please.)
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To: STARWISE

“President Barack Obama’s concern about popularity polls on the war he’s conducting after campaigning on a peace platform...”


42 posted on 07/02/2009 12:34:11 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: phillyfanatic

Don’t shoot until you’ve read them their rights, taken them into custody, given them a fare trial...


43 posted on 07/02/2009 12:35:15 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: STARWISE
"In one mishap you can create thousands more terrorists than you had before the mishap."

A terrorist is one who will attack to "create terror". They target civilians and other weak targets. Women. Children. Hospitals.

If there is ANY sort of military engagement that can encourage them to kill innocents in their own nation, then they are already "Extremists".

I can't fathom any circumstance under which it would become defendable practice inside the borders of this country. No matter if the Soviets had conquored. Attacking a public school would not change that one bit.

The administration is giving credence to the concept of "terrorism". Moral equivalence and all that. They engage in war crimes. They deliberately target civilians. They are never denounced for their actions. We are told that we must "understand" their rage and "negotiate" with them.

They must end their supremist ideology. It can no more be tolerated than Nazism. They don't have to agree that Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, and converts away from Islam aren't damned but they cannot kill them over it.

44 posted on 07/02/2009 12:40:49 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: combat_boots

Well, I was speaking more to personal battles with treasonous a-holes in this country or my city that I may have to fight someday.


45 posted on 07/02/2009 12:49:09 PM PDT by wxgesr (I want to be the first person to surf on another planet!)
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To: STARWISE

The administration is putting in place ROE that will result in defeat in Afghanistan. Can’t fire on houses that may contain civilians, can’t fire on enemy forces if civilians might be put at risk. Of course all Taliban forces will now hide behind their population or run to civilian houses after a strike. You have to wonder why they sent 30,000 more troops there and then tied their hands.


46 posted on 07/02/2009 12:58:56 PM PDT by saganite (What would Sully do?)
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what a joke


47 posted on 07/02/2009 1:00:00 PM PDT by peace with honor
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To: STARWISE

BTTT


48 posted on 07/02/2009 1:07:33 PM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: STARWISE

I remember hearing an order like this in Nam. We all know how that turned out ?


49 posted on 07/02/2009 1:13:21 PM PDT by dbrew2u
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To: STARWISE

Taliban is a bunch of kitties (just not that word, LOL!) As is obama.


50 posted on 07/02/2009 1:18:08 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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