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Former Defense Secretary Robert McNamara Dies
foxnews.com ^ | 07/06/09 | Staff

Posted on 07/06/2009 6:21:18 AM PDT by DFG

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To: meandog
1. Simon Cameron
2. Robert S. McNamara
3. Donald Rumsfeld

You forgot Les Aspin of Blackhawk Down fame and the spineless William Cohen.

I always refer to Cohen as the Undersecretary of State for Military Matters, because Madeleine Albright ran defense policy during Cohen's tenure.

241 posted on 07/06/2009 6:44:55 PM PDT by magellan
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To: Alter Kaker

Donald Rumsfeld was Chief of Staff to President Ford in 1974-75 during the final months of the Vietnam War after being US Ambassador to NATO for President Nixon. He was named SECDEF in October, 1975. He was appointed SECDEF again by the President George W. Bush in 2001, oversaw the defeat of the Taliban later that year and the successful invasion of Iraq and capture of Saddam Hussein in 2003. He underestimated the number of ground troops and equipment they would need during the transition to a democratic, post-Ba’athist Iraq. He preferred unmanned drone planes and “shock and awe” bombing to cut costs in the short term. These decisions cost lives, but not on the scale of what McNamara did.


242 posted on 07/06/2009 6:50:35 PM PDT by Ipberg
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To: DFG

GOOD and GOOD RIDDANCE.

Too many good Americans died because of this arrogant, stupid bastard.


243 posted on 07/06/2009 6:52:17 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

Since when is justifiable anger indecent? Christ was angry at the moneychangers in the Temple. Many, many people had their friends, family and loved ones killed because of this man and his boss. I think their anger is justified and to deny them the right to express it is indecent.


244 posted on 07/06/2009 7:22:35 PM PDT by Barb4Bush (God help us all!)
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To: TChris

If I might interject, I don’t think he is saying you have to grieve his death, just don’t dance on his grave. Not that many people don’t have that right because of his actions, but because we are supposed to be classier then that. We are better people then that.

We don’t need to pile on in glee. He is facing his maker right now, and like all of us, will be judged for our transgressions.

For now, let us offer prayers to his family.


245 posted on 07/06/2009 7:24:53 PM PDT by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by their fruity little club.)
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To: rahbert

lady bird johnson, lbj’s wife.


246 posted on 07/06/2009 7:25:35 PM PDT by Rannug
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

Thank you sir.


247 posted on 07/06/2009 7:27:20 PM PDT by Rannug
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative
you are entitled to your opinion.

.Personally, I want to know where he will be buried so I can go piss on his grave.

I am still hoping that hanoi jane will meet her demise before myself, so I can piss on her grave as well.

If the Lord has a problem with that, the Lord knows they both deserve it.

248 posted on 07/06/2009 7:30:58 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a Momma Deuce)
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To: ~Vor~

Hey, I know something about the 60s !

DET pitcher Denny D. McClain won 31 games in one season.

see. how do I know that ? because I am smart ! and I watched the MLB Network.

you all of you people on here. you can stop making me feel stupid. I am just trying to make sure that we are staying above the DU or Daily Kos level.

(I am being sarcastic, and I’ve had a few beers)

But seriously, I just like to think that we have more class on the right than they do on the left. Sorry if I offended anyone. I know enough about the 60s to know that if Barry Goldwater had been elected in 1964, this would be a different country now.


249 posted on 07/06/2009 7:43:46 PM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative (Sarah Palin in 2012 !)
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To: going hot

LOL! Those are going to be very long lines. I’m bringing all the beer that I can carry.


250 posted on 07/06/2009 7:44:09 PM PDT by Brucifer (Proud member of the Double Secret Reloading Underground.)
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To: magellan

Cohen also spoke out in 1992 against the “Christian right”, which he intolerantly called “intolerant”.


251 posted on 07/06/2009 8:00:07 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative
I don’t like to wear my religious beliefs or my faith on my sleeve. Faith is a private matter. I don’t preach at people. I never have.

You have been preaching this entire thread. It gets tiresome.

What would the Lord Jesus Christ say about this thread ?

Why don't you ask him. Come back and tell us what he said.

252 posted on 07/06/2009 8:03:01 PM PDT by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: rbg81
Good discussion of David Halberstrom here. The Upper West Side's favorite corespondent.

It made for a damn good living and piss poor history.

253 posted on 07/06/2009 8:11:56 PM PDT by Ditto
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

we are talking about a human being.


Yes we are. It’s appalling to me the way the Media announced his death today and then IMMEDIATELY launched the usual summary rant about Vietnam and McNamara. He was THEIR guy—Jack Kennedy’s guy—yet they turned on him just the way their rats in congress voted for the Iraq war decades later only to turn around on that too when it suited them politically. Scum.


254 posted on 07/06/2009 8:34:58 PM PDT by PaleoBob
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To: nonliberal

I mentioned Christ in this thread because it was the death of a human being involved.

if you want to go back and look through my history. you will see that I rarely preach at people. So get off my back, ok ?

I felt it alright to ask people WWJD when they were clearly being consumed alive by hatred and bitterness. some of it may be justified. but only God will judge his soul.


255 posted on 07/06/2009 8:40:55 PM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative (Sarah Palin in 2012 !)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

“(I am being sarcastic, and I’ve had a few beers)”
“staying above the DU or Daily Kos level.”

So much for that goal, they post drunk and stoned, too.


256 posted on 07/06/2009 8:47:42 PM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: CodeToad

LOL

I am a zany character, but don’t drop me to their level.


257 posted on 07/06/2009 8:49:01 PM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative (Sarah Palin in 2012 !)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

He was too arrogant and inexperienced to be Sec Def.

Others here have already mentioned his bad decisions rearding the TFX and M-16 programs.

Another decision I don’t agree with: Closing the Springfield National Armory, and forcing DOD to use private contractors for small arms development.


258 posted on 07/06/2009 8:51:27 PM PDT by 04-Bravo
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To: DFG

I wonder how many US GI’s are dead and wounded because of this idiot. Rest in Hell, you sorry SOB.


259 posted on 07/06/2009 9:06:17 PM PDT by matthew fuller (The status quo is unacceptable. Deport 40,000,000 illegal Mexicans.)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative
"But as a 23 year old."

You need to wait about 40 years to be able to tell vietnam vets how they should feel about this guy, or what they should say about him. By the way, are you a vet? If not.......STFU!

260 posted on 07/06/2009 9:17:25 PM PDT by matthew fuller (The status quo is unacceptable. Deport 40,000,000 illegal Mexicans.)
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