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Rove testifies on prosecutor firings
AP/MSNBC ^ | 7/8/2009 | unknown

Posted on 07/08/2009 5:29:08 AM PDT by DaiHuy

WASHINGTON - Former Bush White House official Karl Rove was questioned by House Judiciary Committee lawyers Tuesday on any role he may have played in politically motivated firings of U.S. attorneys.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: firings; judiciary; rove; whitehouse
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1 posted on 07/08/2009 5:29:08 AM PDT by DaiHuy
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To: DaiHuy

They’ll get Bush impeached yet!


2 posted on 07/08/2009 5:29:46 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: DaiHuy

Clinton can/Bush can’t/Obama can..........................


3 posted on 07/08/2009 5:31:06 AM PDT by blueyon (It is worth taking a stand even if you are standing alone!)
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To: blueyon

I guess they are to busy with old stuff to work on the Walpin firing.


4 posted on 07/08/2009 5:33:42 AM PDT by DaiHuy (One Big Assed Mistake America)
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To: DaiHuy

Who cares if the firings were “politically motivated”? I would expect politicians to be motivated by politics when they execute their political powers. If they were motivated by a desire to cover up crimes, fine. Otherwise, why is the House wasting its time?

I suggest Rove conduct his own personal investigation of the House’s investigation. He can call the investigative body the Rove Select Committee On Wastes of Time. His dog-and-pony show would be every bit as legitimate as theirs.


5 posted on 07/08/2009 5:35:04 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: DaiHuy

“I guess they are to busy with old stuff to work on the Walpin firing.”

At least with the Walpin thing there is actual smoke. He might have been fired to cover up crimes. As for Bush, all the more explanation we get is that he didn’t like liberal justices, which I take it was his perogative.

Come to think of it, we don’t so much get any explanation from critics as to why the firings were scandalous. They demand answers, is all. Which on the evening newscast implies to America that: A) Bush needs to give answers (he doesn’t), and B) Bush probably had questionable motives (maybe he did, but it doesn’t matter).


6 posted on 07/08/2009 5:40:02 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: DaiHuy

Glad to see they are dealing with the really important stuff. Karl Rove.. BCS bowl games.. Honoring an alleged pedophile..


7 posted on 07/08/2009 5:40:44 AM PDT by pnut22
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To: DaiHuy
"She's a witch! Burn her! Burn her!"
8 posted on 07/08/2009 5:44:03 AM PDT by Sudetenland (Without God there is no freedom, for what rights man can give, he can take away.)
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To: Sudetenland

Holder and his winged minions!


9 posted on 07/08/2009 5:48:12 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: Tublecane
Come to think of it, we don’t so much get any explanation from critics as to why the firings were scandalous.

The validity of such criticisms aside, it is not a good thing for the executive branch of our government to pick and choose the people responsible for bringing criminal charges against others based solely on whether those others belong to a certain political party or not. Criminal charges should be brought based on the validity of the suspected crime, not based on whether the person being charged is a D or an R. That is the explanation and it has been made many times and I agree with it.

I don't agree with the explanation in this case, but I do agree with it in principle and it is a valid concern, regardless of who is in the WH.
10 posted on 07/08/2009 5:51:06 AM PDT by theknuckler_33
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To: theknuckler_33

“it is not a good thing for the executive branch of our government to pick and choose the people responsible for bringing criminal charges against others based solely on whether those others belong to a certain political party or not”

I understand the argument, but how to build up a wall between the normal parts of the executive branch and the extra-special justice department? Unless you expect politicians to suddenly become gentlemen and divest it of partisanship, or for politicians to hand power of appointment over to some more or less objective body, I don’t see how you can divest justice of politics.

Since DAs have discretion, there’s no guarantee of purity in the execution of their power. I’ve always been much more bothered by local sharks who prosecute like mad-dogs to get ahead, such as the Duke lacrosse guy. On the federal level, used to be that they had a limited scope. With the rat’s nest of laws now on the books, there’s plenty room for mischief, either in the direction of over- or underkill. The simple fact is that the law has no seperate peace. “Justice” is administered by the government, and hence is political. Even in the Supreme Court, where justices don’t have to worry about being fired, politics play a huge role.

There’s politics and then there’s politics, I guess. There’s firing all the other guy’s lawyers, which I understand. There’s firing the other guy’s lawyers for a more specific reason, like I suppose libs think Bush did (to shield his administration or his administration’s buddies from danger, I guess), which is another matter. Then there’s firing lawyers for a specific reason, to forestall specific wrongdoings, which is wrong.

“Criminal charges should be brought based on the validity of the suspected crime, not based on whether the person being charged is a D or an R.”

There’s one place where that happens. It’s called, I think, Utopia. An island or something.


11 posted on 07/08/2009 6:08:01 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Dr. Ursus

Winged or horned?


12 posted on 07/08/2009 6:11:30 AM PDT by Sudetenland (Without God there is no freedom, for what rights man can give, he can take away.)
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To: DaiHuy; All
Former Bush White House official Karl Rove was questioned...on any role he may have played in politically motivated firings of U.S. attorneys.

Extremely poor journalism here. By using the phrase "politically motivated" the scribbler assumes something unproven.

The only good thing is it is on PMSNBC, watched by very few thinking people.

13 posted on 07/08/2009 6:26:35 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Tublecane
There’s one place where that happens. It’s called, I think, Utopia. An island or something.

That made me LOL. Yea, I realize I was being a bit (a lot?) idealistic and know that the 'nirvana' of politically neutral prosecutor's is nothing more than a myth. But at the same time, that does not mean that we should not guard against and investigate blatant abuses. Again, I'm not saying that there was any abuse in this case, I'm just speaking in general.
14 posted on 07/08/2009 6:27:21 AM PDT by theknuckler_33
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To: theknuckler_33

If the President has the authority to hire or fire these prosecutors without outside consent, then your objection is moot.

You have expressed dissatisfaction with the President’s authority, not with his actions.

What mitigations would you suggest to try to fix the “problem”? Further politicization through senate approval of the hirings/firings?


15 posted on 07/08/2009 6:31:47 AM PDT by MortMan (Stubbing one's toes is a valid (if painful) way of locating furniture in the dark.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
The only good thing is it is on PMSNBC, watched by very few thinking people.

Fixed it.

16 posted on 07/08/2009 6:32:52 AM PDT by 101voodoo
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To: theknuckler_33

We’ve had patronage hiring and firings since we set up our government. This was all mock outrage from Democrats to fool those who don’t know any better. It’s working pretty well.


17 posted on 07/08/2009 6:36:08 AM PDT by listenhillary (90% of our problems could be resolved with a government 10% of the size it is now.)
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To: DaiHuy
Their hypocrisy will be manifest when Obama fires large numbers of US Attorneys and the Democrats and MSM will say nothing.
18 posted on 07/08/2009 6:37:55 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." M. Thatcher)
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To: listenhillary; MortMan
I thought I was pretty clear that I did not agree with the criticisms in this case and as you can see in my post #14, I know that the notion of a completely politically neutral justice department is a myth. At the same time, only a fool thinks it is ok for the president to basically say to a prosecutor, "I want you to bring charges of corruption against this particular person because they are a political enemy of mine" or "Drop your investigation into my political friend X" and then fires the prosecutor if they refuse to do what they say. This whole thing may be mock outrage from the dems, but the whole "serving at the president pleasure" thing is not a legal justification for perverting the justice department.

at the risk of being overly repetitive, I will again say that I do not believe that anything wrong was done in this case that has the dems panties in a bunch. But in principle, despite the difficulties inherent in the current system, blatant abuses of the justice department by the executive branch should be fully investigated regardless of who is in the WH.
19 posted on 07/08/2009 6:46:23 AM PDT by theknuckler_33
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To: theknuckler_33

I should (and do) apologize for being so strident in my comments.

The prosecutors serve at the pleasure of the President. In order to counterbalance the potential abuse, one would need to take away some portion of that authority and vest it in another branch of the government - contrary to the Constitution.

I do agree that politically motivated prosecutions (not the hiring/firing decision, but the decision to pursue a specific case) should be a chargeable offense.

Of course, the subject of this thread is specifically hiring/firing.

Once again, sorry if I sounded overly strident. I’m grumpy this morning, I guess. (That’s still better than dopey, right?!?)


20 posted on 07/08/2009 6:54:43 AM PDT by MortMan (Stubbing one's toes is a valid (if painful) way of locating furniture in the dark.)
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