Posted on 07/08/2009 1:16:54 PM PDT by Titus-Maximus
Nor would I, but it is not my place to forbid them the right to associate or not with whomever they please.
Study your history in a little more detail, and you'll find that whites helped cause the change by fleeing at the sight of anyone who looked different.
In the once-nice neighborhoods, the first blacks who moved in were typically the doctor, lawyer or businessman, not a whole lot different than their white neighbors. But many whites did not hang around long enough to see what kind of neighbors they would be. They sold in a panic instead, in many cases to investors who put renters where owner occupants used to be.
The feared loss of property values then became a self-fulfilling prophecy. But the finishing touches came from the misguided social programs that started in the sixties and pretty much destroyed the black family.
Conservatives should find out the political persuasion of those who run the club.
When I think of pools in Philly, I recall one summer we were hearing about water restrictions possibly because of no rain, yet this one pool in Philly was drained every single night and refilled because thugs kept throwing bottles over the fence into the pool. Apparently they couldn't conceive of some kind of pool cover - instead, thousands of gallons of water was used and discarded every single day.
Oh, I don't doubt it. A black friend of my dad's years ago told him that we were lucky, because we could move anywhere and no one would care. But he was always stuck living in transitional areas--he wouldn't live in the ghetto, but the white folks didn't want his family in the burbs because of the perceived drop in property values. Massively unfair if you ask me--and I'm not excusing white folks' attitudes here, I'm just trying to explain it for people who aren't familiar with Northeastern urban race relations.
And yes, the social policies of the cities had much to do with encouraging this nonsense. I love to hear the libs complaining about suburban sprawl. Sprawl exists precisely because their idiocy turned entire city neighborhoods into toilets.
I don’t need you to tell me wether I’m conserative, libertarian or even liberal.
“I am what I am” and I stand by my statements.
People should have the right to freedom of association, FOR ANY REASON AT ALL.
I never said they should have the freedom to violate another person’s rights or even to commit treason. “Assembly” is one thing, conspiracy is another.
If communists want to assemble, let them. I’ve even signed petitions to that effect.
If the KKK wants to assemble, go ahead. I want no part of their assembly nor any government attempts to restrict that assembly.
I guess it’s like they say, “Freedom isn’t for everyone.”
You couldn’t be more wrong.
The first integrated neighborhoods were MIDDLE CLASS.
Specifically, those neighborhoods created when southern minorities moved to the north for industrial (automotive) jobs and, for the first time, joined the ranks of the middle class.
Higher-educated and salaried minorities remained in better areas of their own communities, and didn’t integrate to the suburbs until after the destruction of the inner-cities.
I was back “home” in the Detroit area this weekend and received a refresher course in what happened to Detroit in the late 1960s and early 1970s.
My family used to live in Detroit. Mother, Father, Grandmother and us kids.
Overnight, we saw our neighborhood turn into a SLUM.
One group stayed out on the streets all day AND NIGHT, while another group locked themselves up in their homes.
Property stopped being maintained and housing values plummeted. Then came the riots. We all left by 1972 and moved across the state and to the suburbs.
There’s no better example of what can happen than Detroit, and it isn’t the fault of the people that were forced to leave.
Bbe prepared for a flood of stories like this to hit the news. I think the game plan from Obama is to make blacks look like victims because he is in a crisis himself and needs a major sympathy vote from America.
Give America a week or two of “black discrimination” to flood the media and when Obama has to publicly admit he is an ineligible President it may be enough to counter all the facts and accusations against him.
Make America feel bad for kicking the black person out of the Oval office.
Those are the neighborhoods I am referring to as "once-nice". Detroit with the auto industry may have had a different history, but in the 50's and 60's the black acheiver in our area was pretty much in the middle class category income wise.
OK.
Detroit is an “outlier” on the distribution scale because of the rapid rise in incomes for black Americans and in such large numbers.
My “couldn’t be more wrong” header was unnecessary.
Sorry.
Too easy on the internet.
Yes, I know that feeling well!
If what you said is true, the liberal biased media “should” exploit that fact.
Otherwise, discrimination is terrible, and should be denounced regardless of who discriminates. If the accounts are true, I suspect there will be a lawsuit against the open/private club...
I guess it doesn't apply to children who want to swim if they are the wrong color.
Oh my, someone has a twisted definition of liberty. Liberty does not mean you get to do whatever you want with someone else's stuff, that's communal ism.
I am amazed at the abject ignorance on display by poster's here. Liberty is defined as freedom from oppression. A private club cannot oppress anyone. They have no control over anyones lives other than those who choose to belong to the club. Others who are not members or denied membership to the club are not being oppressed in any way by not being allowed to use the clubs property. What absolute mental meagerness or utter ignorance by far too many is being displayed on this thread.
The children denied use of the facility have not had their liberty denied them at all, they are free to swim, just not at this clubs pool. Its not these kids property, its not these kids club, its not a publicly owned facility, its not a public business, its a private club. The club has absolute right to decide who it lets in and who gets to use its facilities based on whatever criteria it wants.
These kids have no more claim to use this pool than the homeless guy in your town has a claim to live in your house. Or the poor guy down the block has to your paycheck. Why there are so many here advocating communistic ideals is unfathomable. How bloody ignorant one must be to ignore the very fundamental tenants of a free society to blather such nonsense... and to do so on a site that claims to be a haven for conservatives shows exactly how dumbed down far too much of the US population has become.
Private property and freedom of association are fundamental rights. You don't like racists, that's your prerogative, you want to condemn them for it, that's your right. They however have every right to continue to restrict their membership and their facilities to whoever they choose. Your failure to recognize their right to do so speaks astounding volumes about how poorly American's understand their own nations history or principles.
LoL it’s the 50’s! I’m sure something in this was stretched. I betcha there is a security video.. Would love to see that.
How so many “conservatives” can be so utterly ignorant of the founding principles of this nation is mind boggling isn't it?
Why oh why can’t the media get witness statements, security videos etc!! (Thanks for the link)
Plenty of smart and well-intentioned people here on FR.
Sometimes, we don’t agree.
I can’t say they’re “dumbed down”, as long as they engage in intellectually honest debate.
Not at all. According to the article, it is clear that members of the club were there when these kids were. If the pool had been rented out exclusively to this day camp, then no members would have been there. It is you that is making a broad assumption with absolutely no facts to back it up.
. . .and I would guess, with knowledge up front with whom they were dealing.
The PRIVATE club knew they were dealing with a day camp. There seems to be some indication that there were many more children than the club expected. Of course, this article doesn't address anything except the supposed racism of the club and it's members, but I suspect the problems arose not because of racism, but because of the lousy behavior of too many kids.
Plainly put, this is a PRIVATE club. They do not have to allow anyone they do not wish to allow. I'm quite sure there are other pool options for these day camp kids.
"They just kicked us out. And we were about to go. Had our swim things and everything," said camper Simer Burwell.
Huh?
I want to be in the congressional black caucus and my own show on BET.
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