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The New Great Game - China's best-kept secret is out.
Forbes ^ | 7/16/2009 | Charles Hill

Posted on 07/16/2009 4:46:40 AM PDT by a_Turk

For years it's been a closely held secret: The People's Republic of China is an empire desperately trying to make the world think it's a state.

The riots by Uighurs in China's far northwest are not something new; the place really erupted back about the time of the American Civil War. Clashes between Han Chinese moving into the basin, range and uplands inhabited by the much different ethnic people of the Central Asian heartland began at least 2,000 years ago in the Han Dynasty. Some of the most powerful pieces in Chinese literature, like the Tang Dynasty Ballad of the Army Carts by the eighth-century poet Du Fu, tell of the bitter hardships of lonely soldiers sent to garrison military settlements far to the west of China proper.

Qing Dynasty (1644-1912) conquered East Turkestan in the 18th century and began to consolidate control there in the late 1800s. But the Qing court, terminally beleaguered by Western encroachments along the China coast, was too feeble to impose central control on its far-flung takings.

The collapse of the Qing in 1912 intensified China's Search for a Political Form, as historian Jack Gray titled it. Mao Zedong's successful guerrilla wars and 1949 takeover imposed the form: a Communist internationalism under which the acquisitions of dynastic empires past, as well as ethnic and nationalistic movements, were swiftly and powerfully subsumed by a Marxist-Maoist ideology aimed at bringing world revolution. The new People's Republic of China declared the far northwest to be its "Xinjiang-Uygur Autonomous Region."

(Excerpt) Read more at forbes.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: chicom; china; turkey; uighur
Charles Hill, a former U.S. diplomat, is a research fellow at Stanford University's Hoover Institution, where he is co-director of the Hoover working group on Islamism and International Order.
1 posted on 07/16/2009 4:46:40 AM PDT by a_Turk
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To: a_Turk

Hmmmm.... I’m opposed to chinese occupation of land that was not historically chinese, but we really don’t need to see another crappy little islamist country pop up.


2 posted on 07/16/2009 4:56:07 AM PDT by east1234 (It's the borders stupid! My new environmentalist inspired tagline: cut, kill, dig and drill)
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To: east1234

Definite shades of grey. While I obviously do not support a Salafist state, I believe in the right of self determination in the context of free people.


3 posted on 07/16/2009 4:59:34 AM PDT by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: a_Turk

The time of the American Civil war?

The author should check the history books. The Chinese have been fighting the Uighurs for a wee bit longer. The Sui Dynasty in the 6th century implemented a system of “farming soldiers” to keep them from raiding the frontier. The Tang Dynasty kept with it.

This is very old stuff. But, the Uighurs were never a nation either. There is no crystal clarity in terms of Wilsonian principles here. But, of course the nature of the ChiCom regime is shown in that it has to kill these people to keep them from acting up.


4 posted on 07/16/2009 5:01:12 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (I am not surprised by what Obama is and to more than a little extent we do have Bush to blame.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
From the article:

"Clashes between Han Chinese moving into the basin, range and uplands inhabited by the much different ethnic people of the Central Asian heartland began at least 2,000 years ago in the Han Dynasty. "

5 posted on 07/16/2009 5:14:57 AM PDT by MyTwoCopperCoins (I don't have a license to kill; I have a learner's permit.)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

You are right. Should have clicked the link. But the Civil War reference came at the beginning - but I guess he needed to put it in an American context for those who have no concept of the true length of history.


6 posted on 07/16/2009 5:27:15 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (I am not surprised by what Obama is and to more than a little extent we do have Bush to blame.)
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To: east1234
Hmmmm.... I’m opposed to chinese occupation of land that was not historically chinese, ...

Hmmmmm... I wonder how the Injuns felt about our forefathers?


7 posted on 07/16/2009 5:32:19 AM PDT by WVKayaker (Even stumbling blocks can be used for re-construction - Ernst R. Hauschka)
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To: WVKayaker
Vintage Skulls

"The oldest human remains found in the Americas were recently "discovered" in the storeroom of Mexico's National Museum of Anthropology. Found in central Mexico in 1959, the five skulls were radiocarbon dated by a team of researchers from the United Kingdom and Mexico and found to be 13,000 years old. They pre-date the Clovis culture by a couple thousand years, adding to the growing evidence against the Clovis-first model for the first peopling of the Americas."

Of additional significance is the shape of the skulls, which are described as long and narrow, very unlike those of modern Native Americans.

[snip]

8 posted on 07/16/2009 7:55:16 AM PDT by blam
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
Tocharians

The Uighurs are descended from some of these folks in China 4,000 years ago. These people, in that region, were still using Caucasian only cemeteries there as late as the 1300's.

9 posted on 07/16/2009 8:02:04 AM PDT by blam
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins
""Clashes between Han Chinese moving into the basin, range and uplands inhabited by the much different ethnic people of the Central Asian heartland began at least 2,000 years ago in the Han Dynasty. "

Skeletons show that the ethnic Chinese (Han) started moving into the region around 100-200BC.

Click here to learn about the Yuezhi who were there.

10 posted on 07/16/2009 8:14:58 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Cool, thanks!


11 posted on 07/16/2009 9:33:28 AM PDT by MyTwoCopperCoins (I don't have a license to kill; I have a learner's permit.)
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To: a_Turk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaqub_Beg
12 posted on 07/16/2009 12:51:17 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Thanks!

For those who don’t know, Yaqub is just another way to spell Jacob. Beg is Turkish for provincial king, but just like the word sir, it is used today in regular discourse with normal people.


13 posted on 07/16/2009 1:55:49 PM PDT by a_Turk (Temperance, Fortitude, Prudence, Justice)
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To: WVKayaker
Very nice caricature, thanks. But profoundly relevant. Here are some Turks for northern Asia - the Yakut.



Here are some Uygur Turks:



Kirgiz Turks:



Turks stayed nomadic longer than most. Therefore their strife - their industry and influence is lagging especially in the east. Just like the American Indian.

Now it's ok to do away with the Turkish savage. NOT!
14 posted on 07/16/2009 2:04:46 PM PDT by a_Turk (Temperance, Fortitude, Prudence, Justice)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

Don’t they kill all people who act up?


15 posted on 07/16/2009 8:38:28 PM PDT by huldah1776 ( Worthy is the Lamb)
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